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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 3:42 PM on Thursday, March 25th, 2021

R at any cost is not a good strategy after being betrayed.

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R requires a lot more than NC.

The WS, not the ap, is the problem. NC just gets the ap out of the way. Relying on NC alone leaves the problem operational in the WS.

IOW, I don't think this thread fits into the R forum very well....

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Inkarnit, I strongly suggest opening your own thread; otherwise, your posts here will get lost or your issues will take over this thread, neither of which is desirable.

fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sex apDDay - 12/22/2010Recover'd and R'edYou don't have to like your boundaries. You just have to set and enforce them.

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newlife03 ( member #56527) posted at 4:48 PM on Thursday, March 25th, 2021

You chose not to read the responses because you didn't like them? Really? It's most unfortunate that you are choosing to share your Wayward Wife with the Other Man instead of appreciating what those who have been in your situation have given you for support. Yes, the truth hurts. But it's also meant to help you see what's in front of you.

It's one thing to misunderstand what is being said, but to admit to stop reading what others have offered after they've taken time out of their lives to help, that's a whole other deal I just don't get. Good luck.

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survrus ( member #67698) posted at 7:04 PM on Thursday, March 25th, 2021

Inkarnit,

I hope your plan works out for you, but I suspect you don't understand the level of addiction an affair creates.

None of us here can really judge you as we have all been in your shoes less so or more so. I became a workaholic for 25 years after rugsweeping OM1. So it's not just a question of how you are doing now but in 1 5 10 & 25 years from now.

In a odd form of DARVO your WW may make the people on this forum the offender and WW the victim.

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chepo1966 ( new member #75720) posted at 12:23 AM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

First of all, your infidelity is not my fault, your actions are only yours, not mine, every time I read or listen to a man, trying to justify his wife being fucked by another real man, I feel very sorry, trying to see, let her choose it,

I'm really not saying it for you, because because of your answers and how you somehow rebuke those with whom you disagree

I know that you are a great man, and even if you try to act strong and justify your actions, you are done shit, all this and you know, it is against all your values ​​and principles,

A MAN TRANSITS HIS VALUES AND INTEGRITY TO HIS HIOS

LOOK, COO YOU HAVE QUESTINED ALMOST ALL THE ADVICE, WHICH THEY GIVE YOU, TO GET TO THE POINT OF ALMOST OFFENDING, TO THOSE WHO ONLY INTEND TO GIVE YOU THE REALITY, YOU ONLY HAD THAT QUESTION, WHAT WOULD YOU TELL YOUR SON, AND HOW WOULD YOU FEEL,

I REALLY BELIEVE YOU ARE THE KINDEST AND BEST FATHER, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THAT JAAS WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF INTEGRITY AND VALUES TO YOUR SON, A REAL MAN, WOULD NEVER ALLOW ANOTHER GUY TO FUCK HIS WIFE AND A DO YOU TRULY LOVE AND RESPECT YOUR CHILDREN OVER A WOMAN, ASK HER HOW DOES HER AP KISS HER WHEN HE FUCKS HER AND YOU DO NOT, YOU KNOW WHY HE DOESN'T LOVE YOU AND SEX WITH YOU IS JUST PENETRATION AND NOTHING ELSE, HE KISSES HIM WITH MADNESS AND PURE PENETRATION, WAKE UP

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 12:30 AM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

First of all, your infidelity is not my fault, your actions are only yours, not mine, every time I read or listen to a man, trying to justify his wife being fucked by another real man, I feel very sorry, trying to see, let her choose it,

I'm really not saying it for you, because because of your answers and how you somehow rebuke those with whom you disagree

I know that you are a great man, and even if you try to act strong and justify your actions, you are done shit, all this and you know, it is against all your values ​​and principles,

A MAN TRANSITS HIS VALUES AND INTEGRITY TO HIS HIOS

LOOK, COO YOU HAVE QUESTINED ALMOST ALL THE ADVICE, WHICH THEY GIVE YOU, TO GET TO THE POINT OF ALMOST OFFENDING, TO THOSE WHO ONLY INTEND TO GIVE YOU THE REALITY, YOU ONLY HAD THAT QUESTION, WHAT WOULD YOU TELL YOUR SON, AND HOW WOULD YOU FEEL,

I REALLY BELIEVE YOU ARE THE KINDEST AND BEST FATHER, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THAT JAAS WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF INTEGRITY AND VALUES TO YOUR SON, A REAL MAN, WOULD NEVER ALLOW ANOTHER GUY TO FUCK HIS WIFE AND A DO YOU TRULY LOVE AND RESPECT YOUR CHILDREN OVER A WOMAN, ASK HER HOW DOES HER AP KISS HER WHEN HE FUCKS HER AND YOU DO NOT, YOU KNOW WHY HE DOESN'T LOVE YOU AND SEX WITH YOU IS JUST PENETRATION AND NOTHING ELSE, HE KISSES HIM WITH MADNESS AND PURE PENETRATION, WAKE UP

So many questions.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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asc1226 ( member #75363) posted at 12:56 AM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

Well said sir. I think the rest of us can go home now./s

I make edits, words is hard

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 1:04 AM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

REALLY BELIEVE YOU ARE THE KINDEST AND BEST FATHER, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THAT JAAS WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF INTEGRITY AND VALUES TO YOUR SON

How do you know the other man's name is Jaas?

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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DictumVeritas ( member #74087) posted at 1:12 AM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

That slow motion train wreck I was referring to in my first post, it is progressing and it's going to be horrendous.

I stare at it mesmerized, unable to look away, this time out of morbid curiosity as to just how much of a tangle of steel blood and mangled corpses will be left in the aftermath.

The driver of this train refused to slam on the breaks even when the track ahead was clearly out. He tapped it lightly and patted himself on the back on how well he has done.

I am simultaneously macabrely curious as to just how bad this train wreck is going to be and sad that it is to happen at all because the break lever was put into the hands of the driver and he was told to pull with all his might.

Instead he tapped that break and admonished those who told him the actions to salvation.

The train driver (engineer) is indeed the engineer of his own demise and even if he now employs all his might to pull that break, I'm afraid it might already be too late to even mitigate the severity of this catastrophe.

This will end in great grief and mourning.

[This message edited by DictumVeritas at 7:14 PM, March 25th (Thursday)]

Your life is but a flicker to the cosmos and only the brightest flickers are recorded by history for good or bad. Most of us just want to live our lives without being interfered with.

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DictumVeritas ( member #74087) posted at 1:24 AM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

Am I the only one who is left confused by the content and intent of the post by chepo1966? I normally have quite a high level of comprehension, but I literally can not totally clarify this to myself.

chepo1966, is it perhaps possible to clarify this and phrase it using the language of mere mortals.

Your life is but a flicker to the cosmos and only the brightest flickers are recorded by history for good or bad. Most of us just want to live our lives without being interfered with.

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 4:37 AM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

JAAS = just add a spoonful

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 4:41 AM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

I stepped on a nail a few weeks ago. My dr advised I get a tetanus shot but I said I was fine. Now my foot is soo red and I got redlines going up my leg. THEY'RE PRETTY!

I also can't open my mouth. BEST DIET EVER!

[This message edited by GoldenR at 10:46 PM, March 25th (Thursday)]

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DictumVeritas ( member #74087) posted at 5:34 AM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

Thank you GoldenR Clarity obtained. You just showed me the Rosetta Stone. That was all that was needed.

Your life is but a flicker to the cosmos and only the brightest flickers are recorded by history for good or bad. Most of us just want to live our lives without being interfered with.

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BluerThanBlue ( member #74855) posted at 2:18 PM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

I think Chepo was using a translation program.

BW, 40s

Divorced WH in 2015; now happily remarried

I edit my comments a lot for spelling, grammar, typos, etc.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 2:22 PM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

JAAS = just add a spoonful

That doesn't make sense, in the context of the sentence,or subject.

Apparently I'm the only one who doesn't get it,though.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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katmandude54 ( member #35992) posted at 5:16 PM on Friday, March 26th, 2021

Could it be Inkarnit is INTO Hot Wife scheme or cuckolding? Sure sounds like something along those lines to me. I know separating from a WW can be tough, but it sounds like he either can't summon the courage or wont. Took me five years, but we were separated and she was out of the house, and I KNEW it was over. There was no equivocation. For some people, they just CAN'T be helped. Sorry Inkarnit. Good luck man but you are heading into a very large world of hurt. shocked
shocked sad sad barf

If at first you don't succeed, you're probably screwed.

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HeHadADoubleLife ( member #68944) posted at 9:40 PM on Saturday, March 27th, 2021

Just came back to this thread to check on you Inkarnit. How is it going?

Could it be Inkarnit is INTO Hot Wife scheme or cuckolding?

Can we NOT with this bullshit line of thinking? Many, many spouses have engaged in some form of the pick-me dance, but somehow it's only the BHs who get this thrown in their face. It is offensive to try to shame them with inflammatory labels like cuckold on a site about surviving infidelity! You are victim-blaming and essentially telling him that not only does he deserve what he's getting, but he must like it.

Cuckolding is a fetish that some people are into. Those people are fine to do what they will among consenting adults.

The poster here is coming to a site about surviving infidelity for fuck's sake! He's not a willing, consenting cuckold, he is a person in pain, grasping at straws trying to figure out how to save something he holds dear but that he can feel slipping through his fingers. Much of the advice we give is counter-intuitive to newcomers, so it can be hard for them to fully grasp. Let's help him do that!

R at any cost is not a good strategy after being betrayed.

I hope your plan works out for you, but I suspect you don't understand the level of addiction an affair creates.

You allowing your WW to set the terms and boundaries of ending her affair is letting a drug addict set a schedule for when they use.

It takes 1 bad day, or you getting angry or not doing the dishes. Then she is back into the affair where none of that stuff existed.

You’re putting the cart before the horse. You need to get yourself out of infidelity, then decide to R or D. You’re trying to figure out how to rebuild your house while it’s burning down, hint, put the fire out.

Inkarnit, I've read the entire thread and there has been plenty of great advice. I'm just picking out a few nuggets that might help you wrap your brain around this incredibly difficult concept. Your wife is not mentally well. Call it an addiction, or temporary insanity, or whatever you want to, but people in As are not thinking clearly or rationally, and it takes a long time for them to snap out of it.

The comparisons to addiction are apt. IME with the many addicts in my life, coddling them will not help. You are right, shame doesn't help either, it's part and parcel of why they are addicts. But shame is a natural human feeling that is impossible to avoid - we ALL feel it at some point in our lives, and yet we don't all become addicts. The real issue addicts have is their inappropriate and often disproportional reaction to shame, not the shame itself.

It is one thing to rub someone's face in something with the intention of shaming them. It is another thing to state the facts of what they did, and they then feel shame from acknowledging those facts and accepting that they are accountable for that behavior. The first is malicious, and you're right, that's not the way to handle an addict, or any human being for that matter. The second approach is how every single addict in recovery has gotten their wake up call.

Your ability to bear the pain of her remaining in contact with the AP is not a measure of your worthiness of love, respect, kindness etc. I get the feeling, I do. I've been there, done that with trying to be the understanding and compassionate spouse. It didn't effect any change, much like yelling and screaming about it didn't effect change either. Your real dilemma is that nothing you do or do not do will actually cause her to change. It is hard to accept, but it's the truth. The only thing you can do is decide what you will and will not tolerate, and what the expiration dates on those tolerances are. I promise you, the temporary feel-goods you get from placating a spouse and being the "loving, compassionate, understanding" one, they pale in comparison to the feel-bads you get when you realize you've spent weeks, months, or even years denying your own needs in favor of someone who has proven that they think their needs supersede all others.

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DDay Nov 2018
Many previous DDays due to his sex addiction

Hurt me with the truth, but don't comfort me with a lie.

Love is never wasted, for its value does not rest upon reciprocity.

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HopefulTelephone ( member #71365) posted at 10:16 PM on Saturday, March 27th, 2021

Many of the posts in this thread are not at all conducive to Inkarnit's healing, and some are downright cruel. I'm staring at the stop sign that states Wayward and former Wayward spouses can't comment due to the pain a BS may be in, and then reading comments that accuse Inkarnit of having a secret cuckold fetish. I don't find the irony very funny, if I'm being honest.

Like many, I believe the path Inkarnit's taking right now is not going to end well for him. I hope I'm wrong, perhaps just the sheer guilt and shame will be enough of a motivating factor for his WW to do the necessary work to be a safe partner, but I don't think that's a very likely outcome. Inkarnit is determined to take this path though, and it's his choice to make. Rather than try to save him from this path, I think it would be better to focus on him individually.

Focus on IC, reconnect with old friends and old hobbies, strengthen other relationships around you, not just with your WW. Regardless of the success of this particular path to R, I think you'll find that rediscovering your individuality will be extremely empowering.

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Decorum ( member #47744) posted at 1:59 AM on Sunday, March 28th, 2021

Following.

To a lot of guys this would be like a little brain worm that was eating small bits of their brain every day.

It bothers them but they deal with it not realizing that after several years they won't feel anything and won't care.

You have a more pragmatic view. Maybe you have seen enough in your life to be more focused on outcomes than ego.

Interesting.

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Wool94 ( member #53300) posted at 9:15 PM on Sunday, March 28th, 2021

Wow, this thread is like watching someone run into a burning building to save his family but getting distracted by the pretty colors of the fire.

Many of us have been on this site for years and have done years worth of research into this matter.

You mention Gottman and some other stuff. I don't know who they are, so I won't comment on them.

I'm like ChamomileTea in the fact that we've been reconciled for many years and the only time I even think about it anymore is when I rarely come back to this site.

I just keep wondering where your rage is at?

You didn't go or wouldn't go to a potluck because the AP was going to be there!?!?!

Why aren't they scared shitless that you're gonna be there? How are they still members of your co owned gym?

Man up! Show your rage and quit rolling over for them!

My wife's AP(s) were scared to death of me and one of them was a police man!

You know what worked? I grew a set! We're not here to pander or agree with your tactics. We're here to wake you up!

Read in the healing library about what works. This site is still here because it has helped so many of us make it through.

God bless!

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D-Day #2: May 21, 2016
D-Day #3: June 7, 2016
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Her:WW (amn8r) 1981
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Tanner ( Guide #72235) posted at 11:27 PM on Sunday, March 28th, 2021

Inkarnit

I’m glad you returned and updated. I have nothing to add to the great advice you’ve already received. Please continue to keep us updated and wish you the best outcome.

Dday Sept 7 2019 doing well in R BH M 33 years

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