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xWH sent kiddos home alone on a red eye last night

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HearMe ( member #52786) posted at 6:06 AM on Wednesday, February 22nd, 2017

xWH did not believe the inhaler would pass through security.

That is the dumbest excuse I've heard in awhile. Like he couldn't ask security when he was getting them through.

They will not refuse someone their medicine.

I take my small portable nebulizer on the plane. Never had a problem getting through security and this is actually a small machine.

They just sometimes want to look in my bag. Which I never have a problem with and they never bat an eye at my inhaler in my purse. I take both with me in the plane. One in my purse the other in my carry-on bag.

I really hope all this goes your way!

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HeBrokeVows ( member #43252) posted at 6:58 AM on Wednesday, February 22nd, 2017

I just went on two flights this past week with my daughter and her two inhalers. Her regulate daily one and her rescue inhaler. They didn't even look at it. They were more concerned with the gummy vitamins.

Of course we all know this, but the fact that he wrote it in gives you so much evidence to his stupidity. Sometimes these men just pathe their own paths for us in court

Dday March 11, 2014. Found out my husband of almost 10 years was having an affair, first emotional then physical for 6 months.
Divorced 2/2016

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hexed ( member #19258) posted at 11:39 AM on Wednesday, February 22nd, 2017

As an 'elite' flyer I would expect that he would be very familiar with airport security. Further, if I had a child travelling with medicine, I would check. The icing on the cake, she flew there with the inhaler, why wouldn't she be able to take it home?

But that's just a lot of water
Underneath a bridge I burned
And there's no use in backtracking
Around corners I have turned

“Many of us crucify ourselves between two thieves - regret for the past and fear of the future.” -foulton oursler

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Pentup ( member #20563) posted at 12:44 PM on Wednesday, February 22nd, 2017

Have been an elite flyer in the past. Also carried an inhaler. Never once an issue. In fact boarded a plane while using it once. The only question was did I feel ok and a brief check again before the flight left. You husband needs to be throat punched. And then not given his inhaler.

Me- BS
Him- FWS (I hope- F)

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little turtle ( member #15584) posted at 3:27 PM on Wednesday, February 22nd, 2017

I'm not sure if he could have written a better response for you.

1) He needs to prove your obsession with OW3 if he plans to use this a reason for full custody.

2)

3) everything hexed said!

Does he have a lawyer working with him??

Failure is success if we learn from it.

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cmego ( member #30346) posted at 5:28 PM on Wednesday, February 22nd, 2017

Aren't NPD's fun?

It's *never* their fault. Never. And there is always a deflection and excuse.

Hang in there.

me...BS, 46 years old.
Divorced

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WornDown ( member #37977) posted at 5:54 PM on Wednesday, February 22nd, 2017

2) Regarding xWH's mental health, he used the classic "I know you are but what am I?" defense. In my counterclaim, I listed no less than 25 specific incidents demonstrating xWH's lack of judgment and complete lack of parental responsibility. xWH responded to everything with one sentence: "I'm not mentally ill, IDE is."

One thing to point out:

When dealing with the mentally ill in court, don't ever say they are mentally ill, bipolar, BPD, NPD, whatever.

It comes across as if you are trying to smear him, being vindictive. And, judges, etc. generally aren't trained to understand what those labels mean, let alone diagnose him.

It's better to just list the 25 things demonstrating his lack of judgement. The judge may not know that he's NPD, but he will know that he is unstable, unreliable. Let the judge come to the conclusion that your WH is

Also, this way you aren't arguing over what he is (BPD? just different?) which can be subjective, but argue over facts, things he can't refute - his actions.

He'll be able to argue all day long that he's not NPD, but he can't argue that putting your kid on a plane alone and without an inhaler wasn't true.

[This message edited by WornDown at 11:56 AM, February 22nd (Wednesday)]

Me: BH (50); exW (49): Way too many guys to count. Three kids (D, D, S, all >20)Together 25 years, married 18; Divorced (July 2015)

I divorced a narc. Separate everything. NC as much as humanly possible and absolutely no phone calls. - Ch

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ZenMumWalking ( member #25341) posted at 7:40 PM on Wednesday, February 22nd, 2017

You husband needs to be throat punched. And then not given his inhaler.

You are so lucky IDE - not only is he a complete dumbshit, he put IN WRITING that he is a complete dumbshit!!!

I predict a rather rude awakening for this asswipe come next Monday.

Please please PLEASE video the hearing and post it on youtube, especially the part where the judge reams him out and nails his balls to the wall.

Mojo and strength.

((((IDE & DDs))))

Me (BS), Him (WH): late-50's
3 DS: 26, 25, 22
M: 30+ (19 1/2 at Dday)
Dday: Dec 2008
Wanted R, not gonna happen (in permanent S)
Used to be DeadMumWalking, doing better now

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osxgirl ( member #8795) posted at 7:58 PM on Wednesday, February 22nd, 2017

Oh, man, what a frickin idiot. Like Little Turtle, I wonder if he even has a lawyer working with him, because I have trouble believing a lawyer would have let that response go through.

I know waiting is the hardest part, but given this, sitting, waiting, and doing nothing is the best thing you can do. If he pulls any crap in the meantime, do your best to just document and ignore. The more you can stay above it and let his idiocy stand on it's own like this, the better off you will be.

Seriously, saying the inhaler wasn't needed and that he didn't think it would pass through security? A judge will likely rip him apart on this. The doctor prescribed the inhaler. Him arbitrarily deciding that "it wasn't necessary" while she was on the flight? Complete lunacy. Depriving the child of life-saving medication. And "didn't think it would pass through security"? A quick visit to the tsa website explains how meds are handled when going through airport security, and checking it should be a priority for any parent putting a child that takes medication on a plane. Seriously. What a numb nuts.

As long as you get a judge with half a brain, I expect him to get completely ripped on the inhaler issue at the very least.

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Tearsoflove ( member #8271) posted at 8:49 PM on Wednesday, February 22nd, 2017

Please get something from your daughter's doctor stating how dangerous it is for her to be on an airplane with possibly differing air pressures and an enclosed area full of people wearing colognes that could trigger an asthma attack without her damn inhaler. Add dosing her with benadryl before that and it was a recipe for disaster.

You might also check the airline website to see exactly how accompanied they were on the plane because if an adult didn't actually sit with them and your daughter did have an asthma attack, she could have been severely compromised before anyone even noticed.

You have a lot of irresponsible behavior listed but the fact that he is still defending the plane incident just shows how delusional he is. I really hope your judge has asthma or a kid with asthma. (Not that I'd wish that on anyone.)

"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." ~Homer Simpson

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 I_Do_Exist (original poster member #24196) posted at 12:21 AM on Tuesday, February 28th, 2017

You guys...the hearing was this afternoon.

Short story: Good news. The judge saw things clearly. My kids get to go back to their original counselor. And the Judge not only ordered a psych evaluation for xWH, but he went a step further and combined it with a home study, which means the OW3 is subject to the psych evaluation portion too (since they live together), which is something we wanted, but hadn't yet asked for yet.

Longer story: My attorney completely kicked ass. He was prepared, articulate, and knows my case so well he could counter every argument quickly and on point. xWH's attorney (his fourth in 18 months) looked pathetic and, at times, foolish.

Regarding the list of xWH's irrational behaviors since our divorce, his argument was asking the rhetorical question "Well, what's the standard for something being rational or not?"

Regarding the inhaler on the red-eye flight, he argued that this is a "simple case of parents disagreeing on medication." He said, "this happens all the time with ADHD -- one parent wants to medicate the child and the other disagrees. It doesn't mean one of the parents is negligent just because they don't want to give the child medication." Hmmmm, well, I'd like to see how his attorney would handle it when DD8 has an asthma attack, which often happens in the middle of the night. This is not optional medication. It is called a rescue inhaler for a reason.

The judge was on to everything. He remained quiet for the bulk of the hearing (it took almost an hour), but when he spoke, he was decisive and I feel like my shoulders are a thousand pounds lighter. One battle down, and we won. Trial is set for September.

One step at a time, one breath at a time, one day at a time.

[This message edited by I_Do_Exist at 6:54 PM, February 27th (Monday)]

Me: BW 46 determined & healing
Him: xWH 48 bipolar & NPD
Ours: 20-year marriage and 2 beautiful school-age daughters
2007-2013: 2 d-days; 2 secretaries in their 20s; 2 attempts at R
2015: D-day 3 w/secretary 3; game over; divorce final Oct 2015

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inconnu ( member #24518) posted at 12:23 AM on Tuesday, February 28th, 2017

That's wonderful news!

There is no joy without gratitude. - Brené Brown

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ZenMumWalking ( member #25341) posted at 12:26 AM on Tuesday, February 28th, 2017

GREAT NEWS!!!!!

I'm so glad for you and especially for your precious DDs, who are now much more protected from the asswipe's ridiculous (and DANGEROUS!!!) antics.

You and your L ROCK, way to mama bear!!!!

((((IDE & DDs))))

Me (BS), Him (WH): late-50's
3 DS: 26, 25, 22
M: 30+ (19 1/2 at Dday)
Dday: Dec 2008
Wanted R, not gonna happen (in permanent S)
Used to be DeadMumWalking, doing better now

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GabyBaby ( member #26928) posted at 12:43 AM on Tuesday, February 28th, 2017

That's quite possibly the best thing I've read all day!! I'm so thrilled for you! Here's hoping the next portion also goes in your favor!

Me - late 40s
DD(27), DS(24, PDD-NOS)

WH#2 (SorryinSac)- Killed himself (May 2015) in our home 6 days after being served divorce docs.
XWH #1 - legally married 18yrs. 12+ OW (that I know of).

I edit often for clarity/typos.

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Shockedmom ( member #44708) posted at 1:22 AM on Tuesday, February 28th, 2017

Great update! It is good to read about a judge leaning towards the best interests of the child and being unphased by the crap that is brought before the bench.

Time to relax and enjoy the win.

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minusone ( member #50175) posted at 2:08 AM on Tuesday, February 28th, 2017

What a great update....

"I did then what I knew how to do. Now that I know better, I do better". Maya Angelou

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Pentup ( member #20563) posted at 2:24 AM on Tuesday, February 28th, 2017

So happy to read that you had a sensible judge. Trying to argue a RESCUE medication for a BREATHING difficulty is optional and up to the parent takes a special kind of stupid.

Me- BS
Him- FWS (I hope- F)

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Tearsoflove ( member #8271) posted at 2:34 AM on Tuesday, February 28th, 2017

What a relief! I have been checking for an update hoping someone would see his crazy for what it is. Your lawyer is worth every penny you've paid!

"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." ~Homer Simpson

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steadychevy ( member #42608) posted at 2:54 AM on Tuesday, February 28th, 2017

Fantastic.

BH(me)72(now); XWW 64; M 42 yrsDDay1-01/09/13;DDay2-26/10/13;DDay3-19/12/13;DDay4-21/01/14LTA-09/02-06/06? OM - COW 4 years; "dates" w/3 lovers post engagement;ONS w/stranger post commitment, lies, lies, liesSeparated 23/09/2017; D 16/03/2020

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PricklePatch ( member #34041) posted at 3:14 AM on Tuesday, February 28th, 2017

Good news

BS Fwh

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