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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 1:02 AM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

He was always very nice and generous with our family.

He helped destroy your marriage and your family is next.

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Mene ( member #64377) posted at 1:52 AM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

How can he be always nice and generous to your family when he’s been having an affair with your wife for a decade?

Nice people don’t fuck a married mother for 10 years. Risk the future of her children.

Nice men don’t employ their affair partner’s husband and play boss to them while behind their back fuck their wife for TEN years.

I think you’re in shock. When you’re out of it you’ll realise that this fucker wasn’t really nice and generous to you. He was manipulating you and your family to satisfy his sexual needs.

[This message edited by Mene at 7:53 PM, May 4th (Monday)]

Life wasn’t meant to be fair...

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ryno ( new member #72047) posted at 4:47 AM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

Your children will be taking note of how you deal with this situation. It is important to retain the respect of your children.

Your wife will always love them and will provide for them regardless of whether you decide to take this matter further.

Finally, with all you have been through, it would be a very harsh of your employer not to demonstrate sympathy towards your situation.

[This message edited by ryno at 10:55 PM, May 4th (Monday)]

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Xzy89c ( new member #72577) posted at 5:16 AM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

I must have missed it, but did you let the good pr0fessors wife know? If not why?

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Carissima ( member #66330) posted at 8:16 AM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

I could be wrong but I suspect the ooldest child is attending school there and isn't paying any fees due to their mother being a professor. IMO that's a big reason why the OP's skirting around not telling the OBS or blowing up the affair. I think it's also a big part of the kids reasons for their actions, at their age they can be pretty selfish and why would they want to get a loan if dad can just stick it out.

I apologise if I'm wrong, however can I point out your children had no place in this discussion. You placed them in an intolerable position and one of them was only 16. I agree with keeping them informed with the basics but that's it.

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Buffer ( member #71664) posted at 9:59 AM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

Brother, see as many lawyers you need. Definitely Divorce as well as Employment. He is wanting you out so he can take all that was yours. It still is and has been a hostile workplace. Just because he is nice to you face. He is scared you will blow up his life, he has a stature to uphold. You hold that in your hand. As well as 10 years has been of a conflict of interest against your WW and others in the workplace.

TELL the OMW, now blow that sucker big time.

As stated you WW is still in contact with AP. Just because she told your children she would stop it during the restrictions. Cheaters lie a lot. She is gaslighting you and them.

Please just because she has worked hard, is no excuse. Please stop enabling her and Prof.

Buffer

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Waggingthedog ( member #65793) posted at 11:29 AM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

I'll put out there what I see as the reasons for a lawyer consult immediately. Again, this is NOT LEGAL ADVICE. Please consult a lawyer that you can retain for legal advice.

A person can talk with a lawyer and not have a case at all against another person or institution, at least in terms of monetary damages. Different lawyers may have different takes on any situation in terms of what can be recovered in a suit or if one is appropriate.

In this situation, it would be impossible to judge how this would play out based on the facts that have been shared, and I am not a specialist in this area of the law.

The danger here, as I see it, is the OM on several levels and the moves being made currently.

Professors go through sexual harassment training at universities and normally their codes of conduct would include that they should not be in romantic relationships with their grad students or the people that report to them. (The post MeToo era makes these situations more serious) This is true in all areas... almost all companies have rules regarding this type of relationship. Some require disclosure, some ban such relationships, some are more lax regarding these. Universities, at least for students, should have a Title IX office that at this point in time is far more active.

I don't need to say why these relationships are problematic. There's a tremendous power difference between professors and grad students; bosses and direct reports. In the case of grad students, the professor might actually control the trajectory of the grad student's career. They might be friends with those on a PHD committee, if that's an issue. They likely control grants for research. They likely can determine who is going to be a listed author on a paper. The power dynamic is profound. In a normal boss/employee relationship, it might be hard to escape such a thing in the case of sexual harassment, but doable. In this case, when his wife was younger, she would have a harder time escaping because the professional circle is so much smaller.

The MOST concerning aspect, at least to me, is that the OM hired, retained and reviewed the husband for years. How many career opportunities have been passed up because of this? Raises? Advancement? (i.e. possible damages) Think about how much of a control freak you need to be to employ your lover's husband.... that is sick in my mind. OM could have helped BS get another job hundreds of times prior in a higher paying position. In fact, wouldn't normal human behavior say that you would want your lover's husband anywhere but in the same office as you and WW? How easy would it have been to do this years ago?

Instead, OM wanted control over everything; keep everyone close and keep tabs on them. That's dangerous to an extreme.

If the OM is such a control freak without the moral resources to stop this arrangement, I doubt he only has only one affair partner. But that's beside the point. I hope there are not too many students that have to work with this guy.

The dangerous aspect here is that once the affair has been revealed the WW and OM will go into damage control mode. They are not focused on what is good for BS, but what is good for them. WW is likely scared for her career. OM is absolutely scared for his career. Neither know how this plays out, so they're scrambling to find a way to protect themselves as I see it.

What is clear from what BS posted is that they do not want the BS to continue working where he has been working.

They're using the carrot (higher paying job) and the stick (hostile work environment) to get this to happen. The danger is that they can do something profoundly underhanded to accomplish this result. Maybe they won't and maybe they will.

You NEED to talk to a lawyer because you're BLIND right now. You don't know the chess board at all and moves are being made around you. A lawyer will know how to play the game and protect you. No one else is interested in protecting you here that I can see.

It could be that the better job that gets offered to you is the best idea, but talk to a lawyer first about it BEFORE TAKING IT. Know what questions to ask and how to protect yourself.

The thing that makes this an emergency is when they used the phrase "hostile work environment" on the Zoom call. That's the worst red flag there is out there. You've worked there for years and there has never been a complaint such as that (I assume). But, say there is and that you're reprimanded or fired for it. Likewise, imagine that the OM and your WW might enlist the rumor mill to help with that. Some innocuous interaction years ago all of a sudden 'comes to light.' Maybe from someone else in the department completely unrelated to the situation, but still under the influence of the OM. What happens then? How easy do you think it will be to transition to another workplace that's at the same grade or higher with that on your record?

Say that you do nothing right now as you have been for a little while? It gives them time to lay groundwork. They may be scrubbing emails or communications. They may be gathering records. That time you took an hour lunch break but forgot to record it on your timesheet... maybe they're looking at it. The longer you wait on talking to an attorney the longer they could be laying groundwork to get you out.

Yes, it's better for them if you're employed. Yes, it's better for them if you're kept happy and keep your mouth shut about everything. But, and this is the ticket here, they don't care about you more than the problems you can create.

A lawyer consult will go over the actual issues that can have an impact on how to handle this situation. Likely, the advice will turn on things you probably have not thought about, your own jurisdiction, your own codes of conduct... etc.

As it stands now, I would be wary of taking whatever job is thrown at you by the professor. Think this way too... while the OM can throw you another job to shut up and keep his secret, what can the university through your way, and throw your WW way? A lawyer can tell you if it is better to go higher up the chain and say "OM and my wife have been having an affair for ten years, I no longer feel 'safe' in my department, I need to take some time off 'to determine what I need to do and if I can continue working there.'" Do you think the university has something better to offer you? It also puts them on notice about the situation. Talk to a lawyer before doing this. Please, I beg you.

It could be that the longer that you sit there, the more your possible claims could go away and the longer you accept what they throw at you.

Basically, they do not have your best interests at heart and you need someone that does. RIGHT NOW. It's not about your wife, your kids or anything else... it's about how you getting the right advice to be able to protect yourself. If a lawyer says to go for it, then do what you want to do. But, you don't know this game and they are clearly playing it. You need a lawyer to let you know IF you are being screwed by them.

Again, please just talk to one.

I expect the advice he or she will give you is to stop posting at least. If there is a way, just let us know you're ok and that you got counsel, but you should not post what the advice they gave you was, if they gave you advice. Always keep lawyer's advice between you and your lawyer.

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Waggingthedog ( member #65793) posted at 11:30 AM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

I'll put out there what I see as the reasons for a lawyer consult immediately. Again, this is NOT LEGAL ADVICE. Please consult a lawyer that you can retain for legal advice.

A person can talk with a lawyer and not have a case at all against another person or institution, at least in terms of monetary damages. Different lawyers may have different takes on any situation in terms of what can be recovered in a suit or if one is appropriate.

In this situation, it would be impossible to judge how this would play out based on the facts that have been shared, and I am not a specialist in this area of the law.

The danger here, as I see it, is the OM on several levels and the moves being made currently.

Professors go through sexual harassment training at universities and normally their codes of conduct would include that they should not be in romantic relationships with their grad students or the people that report to them. (The post MeToo era makes these situations more serious) This is true in all areas... almost all companies have rules regarding this type of relationship. Some require disclosure, some ban such relationships, some are more lax regarding these. Universities, at least for students, should have a Title IX office that at this point in time is far more active.

I don't need to say why these relationships are problematic. There's a tremendous power difference between professors and grad students; bosses and direct reports. In the case of grad students, the professor might actually control the trajectory of the grad student's career. They might be friends with those on a PHD committee, if that's an issue. They likely control grants for research. They likely can determine who is going to be a listed author on a paper. The power dynamic is profound. In a normal boss/employee relationship, it might be hard to escape such a thing in the case of sexual harassment, but doable. In this case, when his wife was younger, she would have a harder time escaping because the professional circle is so much smaller.

The MOST concerning aspect, at least to me, is that the OM hired, retained and reviewed the husband for years. How many career opportunities have been passed up because of this? Raises? Advancement? (i.e. possible damages) Think about how much of a control freak you need to be to employ your lover's husband.... that is sick in my mind. OM could have helped BS get another job hundreds of times prior in a higher paying position. In fact, wouldn't normal human behavior say that you would want your lover's husband anywhere but in the same office as you and WW? How easy would it have been to do this years ago?

Instead, OM wanted control over everything; keep everyone close and keep tabs on them. That's dangerous to an extreme.

If the OM is such a control freak without the moral resources to stop this arrangement, I doubt he only has only one affair partner. But that's beside the point. I hope there are not too many students that have to work with this guy.

The dangerous aspect here is that once the affair has been revealed the WW and OM will go into damage control mode. They are not focused on what is good for BS, but what is good for them. WW is likely scared for her career. OM is absolutely scared for his career. Neither know how this plays out, so they're scrambling to find a way to protect themselves as I see it.

What is clear from what BS posted is that they do not want the BS to continue working where he has been working.

They're using the carrot (higher paying job) and the stick (hostile work environment) to get this to happen. The danger is that they can do something profoundly underhanded to accomplish this result. Maybe they won't and maybe they will.

You NEED to talk to a lawyer because you're BLIND right now. You don't know the chess board at all and moves are being made around you. A lawyer will know how to play the game and protect you. No one else is interested in protecting you here that I can see.

It could be that the better job that gets offered to you is the best idea, but talk to a lawyer first about it BEFORE TAKING IT. Know what questions to ask and how to protect yourself.

The thing that makes this an emergency is when they used the phrase "hostile work environment" on the Zoom call. That's the worst red flag there is out there. You've worked there for years and there has never been a complaint such as that (I assume). But, say there is and that you're reprimanded or fired for it. Likewise, imagine that the OM and your WW might enlist the rumor mill to help with that. Some innocuous interaction years ago all of a sudden 'comes to light.' Maybe from someone else in the department completely unrelated to the situation, but still under the influence of the OM. What happens then? How easy do you think it will be to transition to another workplace that's at the same grade or higher with that on your record?

Say that you do nothing right now as you have been for a little while? It gives them time to lay groundwork. They may be scrubbing emails or communications. They may be gathering records. That time you took an hour lunch break but forgot to record it on your timesheet... maybe they're looking at it. The longer you wait on talking to an attorney the longer they could be laying groundwork to get you out.

Yes, it's better for them if you're employed. Yes, it's better for them if you're kept happy and keep your mouth shut about everything. But, and this is the ticket here, they don't care about you more than the problems you can create.

A lawyer consult will go over the actual issues that can have an impact on how to handle this situation. Likely, the advice will turn on things you probably have not thought about, your own jurisdiction, your own codes of conduct... etc.

As it stands now, I would be wary of taking whatever job is thrown at you by the professor. Think this way too... while the OM can throw you another job to shut up and keep his secret, what can the university through your way, and throw your WW way? A lawyer can tell you if it is better to go higher up the chain and say "OM and my wife have been having an affair for ten years, I no longer feel 'safe' in my department, I need to take some time off 'to determine what I need to do and if I can continue working there.'" Do you think the university has something better to offer you? It also puts them on notice about the situation. Talk to a lawyer before doing this. Please, I beg you.

It could be that the longer that you sit there, the more your possible claims could go away and the longer you accept what they throw at you.

Basically, they do not have your best interests at heart and you need someone that does. RIGHT NOW. It's not about your wife, your kids or anything else... it's about how you getting the right advice to be able to protect yourself. If a lawyer says to go for it, then do what you want to do. But, you don't know this game and they are clearly playing it. You need a lawyer to let you know IF you are being screwed by them.

Again, please just talk to one.

I expect the advice he or she will give you is to stop posting at least. If there is a way, just let us know you're ok and that you got counsel, but you should not post what the advice they gave you was, if they gave you advice. Always keep lawyer's advice between you and your lawyer.

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steadychevy ( member #42608) posted at 12:28 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

I'm so glad you've chimed in on this, Waggingthedog. Your insight is invaluable.

BH(me)72(now); XWW 64; M 42 yrsDDay1-01/09/13;DDay2-26/10/13;DDay3-19/12/13;DDay4-21/01/14LTA-09/02-06/06? OM - COW 4 years; "dates" w/3 lovers post engagement;ONS w/stranger post commitment, lies, lies, liesSeparated 23/09/2017; D 16/03/2020

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 1:05 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

Lbh50

Reading through the posts this sounds like a very complex situation.

It probably is, but frankly – it’s VERY SIMPLE.

It boils down to what YOU want and what YOU can realistically GET.

The issue boils down to this key question:

Do you want to remain in infidelity?

You might want your wife and a marriage and all that, but unless she wants that too and you two can create the environment conductive to reconciliation then that’s not realistic. That’s not something you can get.

That’s it. That’s the ONLY question that needs to be asked. All plans and actions will be based on how you answer that simple question. Do you want to remain in infidelity?

As with all terms you might want to define infidelity. To me (and probably most here on SI) it’s not necessarily the act of being in an affair. Your wife wasn’t faithful in-between meeting her OM. She wasn’t unfaithful on Monday, but faithful on Tuesday and Wednesday before becoming unfaithful again on Thursday. The moment she decided to have an affair is the moment your marriage was impacted by infidelity. It doesn’t end until she decides to end the affair and all the thought-processes admiring it, missing it or justifying it. Basically, infidelity is when you allow something else to dominate the expectations of marriage.

To use a comparison, one might be more familiar with: Deciding to end an affair is like the drunk deciding on a Monday to stop drinking forever, yet carefully placing his half-bottle of vodka in the kitchen-cabinet (holding on to good memories of the affair). If that drunk doesn’t address his issues, go to rehab or AA or whatever he might hang dry for a few weeks, but one day he will grab for the bottle…

So, if you refuse to remain in infidelity you are telling your wife that she, you and the marriage need to move away from the affair. To eventually let it go, each in your own way. And like the drunk that commits to sobriety she isn’t allowed an occasional beer or to hold on to that bottle of good cognac or keep her subscription to Gin-of-the-month. She needs to let it all go and comply to some requirements.

I guess you might want to define marriage too.

I’m certain that ending the present affair might be easy. But that won’t end the infidelity. You could get your wife on board to relocate. You could move across the country. Theoretically she could never see OM again. But would she pine for him? Would she miss him? Would she miss the affair? What if OM divorces 8 years from now – would she go for him? What if there is a conference you don’t attend – is OM there? What if she looks at his Facebook page pining for what could have been… Does any of the above sound like “marriage”?

Give yourself some time to think how an ideal marriage should be. For me terms like mutual respect, caring, honesty, joint commitment, financial and personal goals, clarity, desire, fidelity and love come to mind. Mutual respect sort-of looses it’s shine if she’s comparing you to OM.

All this is a non-issue though.

What is important is what YOU want.

If your definition of marriage includes sharing her with OM, then read no further.

If, however you want a MARRIAGE then your first defining factor is to realize that RIGHT NOW your wife isn’t capable of that. She isn’t capable of the same marriage as you see marriage unless she willingly and freely fully commits to it. That includes things like ensuring NC, openness, accountability…

Remember – what you want isn’t “marriage” as in what she’s offering, but rather “marriage” as you define it.

Remember – while she’s not offering “marriage” as you define it she’s offering infidelity.

Remember – You have decided that you don’t want to be in infidelity.

Remember – You need to go after what you WANT and what you can REALISTICALLY GET.

That’s really all there is to it.

Everything else is simply implementation.

Everything else is a consequence of her decision to have an affair, the OM decision to have an affair and your decision to not be in infidelity.

Go back to Okokok post where he bold-faces a speech you should deliver to your wife. Basically that says it all. YOU have decided not to be in infidelity. YOU are moving on. She can come along if she wants to but on your rules.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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Okokok ( member #56594) posted at 3:44 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

lbh50, how are you doing today?

Here is a bit of strategic advice you may be able to take: open a credit card (preferably two) in your name only.

This is legal and not something your wife can easily track.

You can use this credit card to pay for a lawyer consultation if you need to. It will also give you a cushion if you end up in a situation where you need money quickly.

I recognize she could still monitor your paying the credit card bill a month or so down the road, but maybe you can use your IT skills to find a way to do that covertly.

[This message edited by Okokok at 9:45 AM, May 5th (Tuesday)]

Erstwhile BH and BBF. Always healing.

Divorced dad with little kids.

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KingofNothing ( member #71775) posted at 3:56 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

Holy...effing...hell...

I'm just... I have nothing to give here. No advice. I have never seen anything like this.

I am of the same mind. I can't believe what I'm reading here. Some people seem to want to be walked over in life. I've got nothing.

Rex Nihilo, the King of Nothing
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“If you’re going through hell, keep going. Just please stop screaming, it’s not good for morale.”
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BS 3 DDays/Attempted R, it failed. In a better place

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scrambledbrain ( new member #72790) posted at 4:36 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

BS only

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redwing6 ( member #72593) posted at 5:10 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

I think OP may have fled.

BH 62, WW #2 D'd after 6month EA who scammed her out of our life savings WW #1 56F since remairred twice continues to cheat even today WW #2 Refuses to admit she wrecked our marriage DD adult 33 DSD adult 34 DSS adult 31

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Waggingthedog ( member #65793) posted at 5:43 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

Scrambled, that's exactly right.

The reason you want a lawyer is to look at the situation and help you evaluate options... Not exactly go filing a lawsuit right off the bat. This is only about BS getting competent advice to know he is not getting screwed, where the dangers are and what he risks with certain courses of action.

He needs a friend that knows what they're doing. If there was ever a guy that needed a lawyer, it's this guy. And he needs one today.

There may be a great chance this job offer could be for real and that it's a great opportunity. But it also could be a way of protecting the OM in such a way as to sign away OPs possible claims or better possibilities. Simply put, I have no idea which it is. Neither does BS. An employment lawyer will have a much better idea, and be able to explain BS's options at this point. A lawyer could protect him.

Furthermore, starting a new job after finding out the last ten years of you life has been filled with this... Not a great formula to learn a new job and make a solid first impression. Many jobs have probationary periods for months. We all remember those first few months after D-Day. How many of us could have done that?

I think he needs the protection and advice only a lawyer can provide asap. As in today.

There are three things that are clear here:

1.) BS is in shock, even if it doesn't feel like it. Making a decision while in shock, on your own, alone, without knowledge of your options is a horrible idea. A lawyer can explain options and help BS evaluate. Taking an offer might be what that lawyer recommends. It might also be to report the issue because there are better protections afforded to him. An employment lawyer in his area would know better what to do here.

2.) OM and WW are pushing BS to do something. Their motives are suspect. Frankly, BS would have no idea what their motivations might be, and neither do we. I'd fathom that self preservation is the driving factor. Whether that means a better deal or worse deal for BS is unknown. People can do mean things in such a time, or amazingly kind things. We just don't know and we can't know what motivates them, only that they're pushing BS to the outcome they want. We can be sure of that.

3.) OM and WW are capable of massive deception if it suits them. The OMs grant funds, assuming they're federal, could even be in jeopardy. Their entire world is at risk. People do desperate things there. Sometimes people kill over stuff like this. Seriously. It happens. What are they capable of? BS does not know. A lawyer can evaluate what's going on and tell BS what the best objective path to go down.

Put those three things together and it becomes clear that BS needs help in making this decision RIGHT NOW. He's also on shock and afraid of reaching out. Lawyer consultations are confidential. Even an hour of talking through the problem with a lawyer could save him from making a mistake he will regret for years. I have no idea what the right decision is here, only a lawyer in BS's state might have a better idea. I can't give legal advice. What I can be sure of is that BS needs someone to walk him through this job issue and possible claims before he makes a decision. That's clear. No matter what the right call is, he needs help from a skilled professional.

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MickeyBill2016 ( member #56459) posted at 6:26 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

I would advise if there really is a "job offer" orchestrated by the professor, that you are very careful and to get an "iron clad contract" reviewed by an attorney on your side.

This is most likely not his first or only rodeo so he knows how to move people around to satisfy his "needs". Be very careful, there is no one looking out for you, except you.

You can blow it up publicly or walk away with possibly a healthy settlement by going to the U.

9 years married.
13 years divorced.

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 lbh50 (original poster new member #74353) posted at 6:35 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

Haven't fled. I had two VERY busy days. Yesterday spent most of my time trying to find the "right" lawyer around, it's an expensive area where I live and many of them seem to expect a retainer or to "hire" them for my case somehow etc. -- while I am just looking for one consultation, as advised, for now.

Not a free one either, because I know that might be no good.

It seems easier said than done to actually get a real-time consultation ASAP, I got a call back from one of the lawyer offices I contacted yesterday but they wanted me to fill a screening questionnaire with my "case" and they will decide after reviewing that if they want to talk to me or not. That sounds kind of bad, but I did it - I spent some time describing my situation as briefly as I could (it wasn't brief).

I am terribly bad at this stuff, never had to deal with lawyers before and I am scared. I realize now I've been so codependent of my wife for so long, I feel lost now. A real wuss, sorry to admit. She was maybe right when she was sometimes mockingly calling me "her 3rd child". And now I see how they, "the adults" were planning their and my life all along..

I also found out I live in one of those "two-party consent" states so my Zoom recording was illegal, and cannot record anything other interactions with them.

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ExiledfromNY ( new member #74229) posted at 6:49 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

I am a paralegal who does a lot of work with family law attorneys. Some employment law but it’s mostly representing institutions.

They are all normally very busy and it takes a lot to get through the filter. You need to be very assertive with them. This is an emergency. This is a potential high damage case. Keep telling them that. Consultations are usually free initially.

That doesn’t necessarily indicate that an attorney is good or bad. Keep trying and keep calling back. At a minimum, most courts are closed now so they should have extra time to meet with potential new clients.

Be assertive. I know it might be uncomfortable for you (I am the same way) but you need to be something of a pest. If they say they’ll get back to you after lunch and you haven’t heard anything by 2:30, call back.

This is important. The first stand you are taking to get some control of your life back. And when the attorney asks questions, don’t minimize things and rationalize things. They will know that the facts are more nuanced. Good luck to you.

Factum est illud; fieri infectum non potest

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Waggingthedog ( member #65793) posted at 6:55 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

Thank the Lord.

Good. Work.

Please for the love of God keep up until you get to talk it out with an attorney. They can give you proper advice surrounding your situation. You can deal with the relationship stuff later. You get to make whatever call you want but they can give you advice so that you know what you are getting into. That's important beyond words right now.

We are much friendlier than you think. Seriously. We are here to help you.

A lawyer can only help you and your interests. It's a fiduciary duty. They have to. That's why they have screeners like you filled out.

Those screeners are not to intimidate you. Most law firms represent multiple clients. A firm or lawyer can't represent you if they have something called a conflict of interest. Those forms are to make sure that they don't have a conflict of interest before speaking with you, not that they don't want to talk with you. It's that they have to make sure they can represent your interests.

Right now, you need to know what the game looks like. You get to make a call how you play it once you know the rules. A lawyer offers advice but you make the ultimate call. So you can be completely comfortable with your decision, whatever you choose.

Lawyers also are covered, by law, by something called attorney client privilege. What this means is that you can tell them anything you want and they can't tell someone else. So you can feel comfortable telling them anything and everything that impacts your situation to help you find the best course of action.

You are in shock right now. They'll hold your hand through a huge life decision here. This might be the biggest one you make.

Please keep up with getting a consultation. This is the most important thing you can do.

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KingofNothing ( member #71775) posted at 6:55 PM on Tuesday, May 5th, 2020

I think OP may have fled.

He was on Reddit too. Same thing happened. I guess he didn't like what I had to say there, which was a lot of what people had to say here.

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BS 3 DDays/Attempted R, it failed. In a better place

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