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Chappie ( member #56407) posted at 8:40 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

Some states you can sue for alienation of affection. My understanding is that in every state you can sue for intentional infliction of emotional distress.

If you can afford a PI, get the goods on all of them and then out them.

Your lawyer can and should subpoena your wife's emails, texts, social media, etc. He can subpoena the Posom's stuff too. Maybe more between the HR lady, who knows?

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 8:54 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

Forgive me for not being clearer. Her boss is not sleeping with her. Her boss (female) is sleeping with the OM.

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brokenblackbird ( member #29541) posted at 8:56 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

Very gently here, 36.

The boss and the OM are not your problem. Your problem is your WW. This is where you need to focus.

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Stevesn ( member #58312) posted at 9:05 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

Look. Of course your first focus should be on the list of items that I and others here have given you to deal with a unRemorseful spouse.

That is first priority.

But the husbands of every woman who works there, whether or not you know they slept with the piece of shit deserves to know what is happening where their wives work. You’d want to know wouldn’t you?

If WW suddenly becomes remorseful I’d make her help tell them all as a condition of R. But until that happens I’d find them and tell them myself.

But that’s just me. Whether or not there’s a chance to sue the company, that’s another story.

fBBF. Just before proposing, broke it off after her 2nd confirmed PA in 2 yrs. 9 mo later I met the wonderful woman I have spent the next 30 years with.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 9:23 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

36YG,

Your wife has been spouting absolute nonsense to justify her unsupportable actions.

You walked out of an MC session and she told you that you were "rude"? Really? Forgive me for asking, but when it comes to acceptable manners, what part of lying and cheating counts as politeness?

Her friends support her in the affair because you are an a-hole? Wow, how well do they know you? Who do they get their information from? Oh yeah, the woman who wants to find reasons to justify her indefensible actions. Suddenly, her slander makes sense, doesn't it? Those dimwits support your wife because they have bought into her BS about you. "I don't blame you cheating, he sounds terrible". Suits her purpose, doesn't it?

She sees your asking for full transparency on her devices as intrusive and controlling? You ask her what she's hiding, and what she's scared you'll find.

She says you not trusting her is a slur on her integrity????????????????? What part of betraying her husband, children, and marriage vows to become just another pathetic notch on a player's heavily whittled bedpost does she see as a testament to her integrity?

She says the OM has been banging his way through as many women in the place as he can? Ask her if that makes her feel extra-special?

While you're at it, ask her if he has married any of these easy idiots that he has used (and use those terms for them, your wife seems to be deluding herself that she has joined a select group who are hot enough for this home-wrecker, but in actuality guys like him are far from picky). Frankly, I can think of several choice names for his harem, but they are not big or clever. But then, neither are these women who think it is a privilege to make themselves easy for him.

More than that, as your wife seems to have an arrogant streak a mile wide, you can ask her where she thinks her wonderful affair with this guy is going? Tell her she is welcome to ride off into the sunset with him, with your blessing. Tell her she can go today. Only, for all her deluded bluster, she knows this simple truth: the OM does not want that.

He does not want her, he is not serious about her, he is just using her because she is convenient for the time being. The only time he spends with her is to use her for his own pleasure. He doesn't want to run to the drugstore for her medication when she is ill. He doesn't want to rub her feet, or put lotion on the dry skin on her back. Faced with the prospect of being with her 24/7, 365 days a year, do you think for one moment he would want that? Hell no!

In her deluded arrogance, your wife seems to have blinded herself to the glaringly obvious truth that her affair with him is going to end the second he finds someone else to focus on, and she will be dumped back into the marriage she has done so much to destroy, with a man she has done so much to hurt and insult. Kind of short-sighted, isn't it? And then what? She hasn't thought that far, has she? She's acting like that day will never come.

Well, you need to starting planning for that day, even if she isn't. Or maybe she is; it sounds to me like she thinks she can use MC to soften her landing, by painting you as the bad guy who has a lot of work to do, and trying to use the counsellors to reinforce that self-serving agenda. To that, I say one thing: bullshit!

Do not go to another MC session, because she is out to manipulate them into becoming her support singers, and through that manipulation, to use force of numbers to gaslight you into believing that you are a terrible man who left a poor, honest woman like her with no choice but to become another scalp for the office player. That is what she tried to do in the first session, and she will continue to do it if you keep going, so stop wasting your time and money on this.

Oh, she will make a huge drama out of saying you are clearly not committed to the marriage, this is what pushed her into another man's arms, she wants to do the work but you aren't co-operating, how can you expect her to stay when you treat her with such despicable cruelty, but you have to learn to let that self-serving garbage wash over you. Do not respond to it.

She has been acting like a selfish, spiteful little girl who wants everything her own way, not a mature woman with a conscience or any commitment to you or the marriage. You remember the old 'Peanuts' comic strip, where time after time Lucy would hold the football for Charlie Brown to kick, only to pull it away every time and send him flying? That, right there, is your wife's attitude to you.

Instead of being like poor old Charlie, the next time Lucy holds a football and asks you to kick it, say nothing, turn round, and let her hold the football until she realises you aren't falling for it. Wouldn't Charlie Brown have had an easier, less concussed life if he had done that? Wouldn't it have been better if Charlie had gone and found his own way to amuse himself, instead of allowing himself to be drawn into her games? Probably!

So maybe what you need to be doing is using the 180 to reduce her emotional hold and control over you, so that you have the time and space in your thoughts to think about what you want, and how you feel, and what the best way to get it might be, without her constant attempts to distract you from that.

And make no mistake, that is what she is doing. She has probably done that throughout her life, because she has found it gets her the results she wants. By interrupting your thought processes, pushing you one way, pulling you the other, hitting you with one ridiculous bullshit statement after another, she is preventing you from formulating your own survival plan, because that means she can step in and out of the marriage as and when she likes, because if you agree to play her games, you won't know which way is up, if it is day or night, or if you really may be the bad guy, and she is actually the poor victim here. Her friends already think that, because they have bought her bullshit.

She gets a reward for bullshitting. It makes her life easier. And it's what she's doing to you. If she can keep you tied up, confused, and wasting your time and energy taking issue with her ludicrous statements, allegations, and theories, you will never have time to ask her the many hard questions that she should be answering, or figure out what you need her to do if you are going to permit her to stay in the marriage.

What the 180 is about - and there is very good material about it in the healing library, as well as a long thread in the forum - is enabling a betrayed spouse to mentally separate themselves from the emotional storm and the hold a cheating spouse has over them, and to start listening to their inner voice, so that they can figure out what they want without other stuff distracting them from it.

On the surface, it can look like it means withdrawing from a wayward spouse, and shutting them out, to try and make them feel worried and motivated to chase you. That is not what it is for. It is for, even if it may have that side-effect. The aim is for the betrayed spouse to achieve the head-space and heart-space to focus on themselves.

Your wife will not like it, because she is wants to control you via the medium of bullshit, a prime example being her projecting her own personality onto you and accusing you of being controlling. It's a tactic as old as the hills. Accuse the victim of doing what you are doing to them. Project.

Do not fall for it, her methods, once you see them for what they are, are feeble and transparent. And there's another element to her campaign of disinformation. She medicates herself with it, and uses it to justify her actions and avoid feeling bad about herself. She invents an alternate reality, and peddles it to anyone gullible and unquestioning enough to believe it. And if she can make others believe it, then it must be true, and she has no reason to feel guilt, because she has done nothing wrong. And because she believes that, there will be no sign of remorse. Have you seen any of that so far? It doesn't sound like it.

Here's the thing; what you need is your own support team. Trusted friends, family, a separate individual counsellor from any that she consults, and the people in this forum. Some of what gets said may be hard to digest, but it is all said with the aim of trying to prevent you from being hurt more than you already have been. Your wife has turned her friends into her 'gang', and she was trying to do the same with the MC counsellors. So form your own gang that is independent of her and the influence of her guilt-absolving alternate version of the truth.

Drop the MC, because she is trying to warp it into a process that says she did nothing wrong and you are the bad guy, and you have to change so she feels comfortable steeping back into the marriage she has all but destroyed.

Get yourself into independent IC. Connect with a few good friends and fill them in on what is happening. Same thing with your family.

Once you stop engaging with her nonsense and her unsophisticated games, you will realise that you have the real strength here, and in your life, because you have truth, integrity, and decency on your side.

She does not.

So please continue to post, 36YG. We are your gang. We are fully committed to helping you reach whatever goal you decide upon, but we will do our utmost to ensure that you are not lied to, abused, co-erced, or bullshitted along the way, and that you do not let anyone convince you that you have been the bad guy here, or that you did anything to deserve what has been done to you. And we will also do our damnedest to make sure you get what you need to heal properly, whichever way you decide to go with this.

The journey is ongoing, but you must be in the driving seat, not your wife. So far, she has driven the marriage towards a cliff, so she really cannot be trusted with the steering wheel, can she?

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 9:47 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

Who does the HR lady work for?

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TimelessLoss ( member #55295) posted at 9:48 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

36,

I asked before: how did it go down that she left that job? I'm curious because she firmly rejected every boundary you tried to establish.

Did this happen pre Dday? Did you know she was changing jobs?

It may hold some insight...or just be a normal career move.

"You've got to learn to leave the table when love is no longer being served"

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 10:14 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

So your WW is aware that he is screwing around with how many others at work?

Is this a large company?

Her friends are aware of her cheating? I'm guessing they are doing the same thing. Can you get hold of the Owner and ask him what kind of whore house he running?

Be sure and inform him you are in contact with other spouses, and their lawyers.

I'm thinking that will being a screeching halt to a bunch of this.

"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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tiredofcrying59 ( member #56180) posted at 10:39 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

She sounds very cruel and completely unremorseful. I'd file immediately, and "encourage" her to get the hell out. Should be interesting since OM isn't looking for a life partner, he's having too much fun screwing everyone at work. So leaving you for him really isn't an option for her. But that isn't your problem. She obviously made her choice.

I've been married over 30 years as well, and I can understand trying to R with a remorseful spouse, but she sounds completely opposite of that.

I think you did great at MC. Stick to your guns, don't settle for anything less than remorse and total transparency. She really does sound like she's lost her flipping mind.

BW
Me-59
Him-57
M-33 yrs, not that I "celebrate" it
D-day-10/30/16 2mo.PA w/COW attempting R

new news- like a 5 year A w/COW, no longer attempting R. What am I, an idiot?

Getting on with life, without him.

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 10:55 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

The HR person is also the president of the company. I won't name the company but they are sort of a Christian Social Worker organization providing certain levels of care primarily to the elderly. Though to me they seem more like a whore house than anything else. Forgive me, that's my anger speaking.

I insisted she quit or I would throw her ass out of our home.

M1965, thank you for taking the time to post such a lengthy response. I was blown away that anybody would put that much effort into a response. Thank you.

Update: I met her for a late lunch today to discuss cutting ties. We didn't make much progress, but we both decided to take a night off from discussing the affair and aftermath because we are both absolutely emotionally exhausted.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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Stevesn ( member #58312) posted at 10:59 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

Cutting ties with each other? Or with OM and all the other cheaters?

fBBF. Just before proposing, broke it off after her 2nd confirmed PA in 2 yrs. 9 mo later I met the wonderful woman I have spent the next 30 years with.

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 11:02 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

We are discussing cutting ties with each other. I'm getting tired of insisting she cut ties with anyone else. I suggested that if she wanted to save our relationship the only friends she have should be those who are friends to our marriage.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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Stevesn ( member #58312) posted at 11:10 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

That’s very strong of you. It’s a positive step at least to show her that the hurt she has thrust upon you will not be rug swept.

Sending you thoughts of hope and strength.

fBBF. Just before proposing, broke it off after her 2nd confirmed PA in 2 yrs. 9 mo later I met the wonderful woman I have spent the next 30 years with.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 12:01 AM on Wednesday, September 27th, 2017

36YG,

I'm happy to help if I can, and like everyone else here, I'm on your team.

We are discussing cutting ties with each other. I'm getting tired of insisting she cut ties with anyone else. I suggested that if she wanted to save our relationship the only friends she have should be those who are friends to our marriage.

I agree with stevesn; this is very strong of you, and your own declaration of independence. It may not be a guarantee of her seeing the light, it may be that you even want her to anymore, but it will guarantee is that you become your own person, in touch with what you need, and out of her control. Maintain this stance, because it is the only thing that will burst the bubble of delusions that she is still living in.

There is a saying that appears a lot here: to save your relationship, you have to be prepared to end it. Once a wayward realises that is how you feel, where is their power? The dynamic here has to be that she wins you back, not the other way round. She has a huge amount to make up to you, and if she cannot be bothered, let her know that you are not afraid to cut her loose.

Let the reality dawn on her that she is going to end up without the OM, and without you. The point is, if she starts taking responsibility, owning what she did, showing remorse, and becoming transparent, she may be worth considering reconciliation with, if you are not too tired of what she has done for you to really want that. But if she can't be bothered, she thinks she has done no wrong, she shows no remorse, and blames you and does no work, she will be showing you that she is not worth reconciling with.

And do start talking to a lawyer, and start making changes to your financial arrangements to make them as safe as possible for you. If you have made a will, and it leaves stuff to her in the event of your passing, change it. Leave it to your kids. Leave it to the local animal rescue center. If she does the work and proves to be a safe and remorseful partner, you can always change the will at a later date. The same is true of any insurance policies, and joint bank accounts. Let her see some consequences, let her see some realities. Let her get her money from the OM. I have a feeling he may grow disenchanted with her rather quickly when she starts down that road.

If she values the OM and her friends above you, that's fine; bye bye, move in with them. How long do you think that will last?

This is not something you created, but you are handling it well so far. The more independence you show, the more your wife's delusions will crumble. Whether or not you want to reconcile, that process will be good for you. You can, and will, get through this. You have not betrayed yourself; she has.

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 1:13 AM on Wednesday, September 27th, 2017

36YG

I am so sorry for you as it sounds like your CW is also crazy!

She came home and told you about the sex with the AP - and wants to try it w/ you?

She sure isn't wrapped too tight.

The "died" comment is just as bad.

This OM sounds like a scary dude and a whole other problem.

Please do what you need to do to protect yourself.

Your W is acting like a typical remorseless cheater. Rewriting the M history, outrageous behavior and all the rest.

I am sorry for you but I think you could be happier away from her in the long run. You can jump start your life b/c at this point - she doesn't have your back and you can start being with friends and people who just like you for you.

Because she only cares about herself right now. And it is to your detriment to try to reconcile with her. Her chouces and behavior are deplorable. To bring the guy to your house ???

Shameful. And scary she sees nothing wrong with that.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 12 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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SorrowfulMoon ( member #59925) posted at 1:17 AM on Wednesday, September 27th, 2017

I need advice. Is it wrong for me, as the BS, to expect her to accept accountability and be transparent and 100% honest? I want to see her phone, email and private messages on Facebook because that's where all the communication takes place. She tells me that's unreasonable and controlling because she's already told me that the A is over and she is not communicating with him.

I cannot believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

No, it is not wrong of you and yes you cannot believe a word coming out of her mouth.

- If you have any evidence expose the President and the organisation

- Expose your wife to family and friends and her work colleagues' spouses.

- Do the 180 and protect yourself emotionally

- See a lawyer and protect yourself legally and financially

- If you can't take her off the insurance, cancel it and take out another one if required for family members that are not her.

Then divorce her. There is no remorse, not even a half-hearted effort to show it. I doubt that this is her first affair either. The level of disrespect she has shown a husband of 36 years is staggering, even if you do have some faults. Who doesn't lets face it.

And yes, it is your WW who is the problem but do not worry about collateral damage in your actions to get out of infidelity and remove her from your life.

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Dyokemm ( member #40254) posted at 1:40 AM on Wednesday, September 27th, 2017

So OM's propensity to cheat with co-workers seems to have blocked you exposing to the employer.....

But not really if you get a little creative....

Are either the boss or HR head M?......

Expose this shitbag to THEIR BH's.....

And since it is a Christian affiliated business, expose to any other religious organizations and churches they deal with.

Doing either, or both, of these things should give this POS so much to worry about in his life that any plotting he might be doing with your WW to continue the A or (as some others have suggested fears of) to come after you.

Also, tell your adult kids about the A.....AND of the discussions of you being dead making things more convenient for her and POS.

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OrdinaryDude ( member #55676) posted at 1:47 AM on Wednesday, September 27th, 2017

And since it is a Christian affiliated business, expose to any other religious organizations and churches they deal with.

Oh yes, this right here!!!

I was young and dumb and stayed with a cheater.

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Jeaniegirl ( member #6370) posted at 2:02 AM on Wednesday, September 27th, 2017

But please please consult with an attorney before you start contacting people about the company. The last thing you need is being sued and go through a costly lawsuit.

I'm with the others .......... RUN far away from this woman. File for D. IF she comes to her senses and regains any sanity, D can always be put on hold.

And get a restraining order against the OM since he knows where you live. This is VERY important - and will give you a chance for a judge to hear WHY you need the restraining order and it will create a legal record.

I'm an attorney and have seen too much of this kind of tragedy.

"Because I deserve better"

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rambler ( member #43747) posted at 2:26 AM on Wednesday, September 27th, 2017

She does not seem to want the marriage so you have no choice but to end it.

She will cheat avian with OM or another at some point. Disclose to family and file.

making it through

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