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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 9:54 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

My wife and I have been married for 36 years and together two years before that. During our marriage we experienced the typical highs and lows of most marriages. We had four children, one of them died four years-ago. During our marriage I knew one thing I could always count on was my wife’s faithfulness and marital fidelity.

Our entire marriage began crashing before I realized it was in trouble. She was invited over to a coworker’s house to celebrate the coworker’s birthday on July 20, 2017. Apparently they had been flirting for a while and head sex in his home multiple times that evening; the next day they had sex on his desk during the workday. The following day was a repeat. And just like that they proceeded to have sex approximately 20 times, in a variety of positions and places; all without the benefit of condom use.

I was temporarily in the dark about the infidelity. But her behavior started to change. She bought expensive new clothes, was having her hair and nails done once a week. She does a type of social work, so she would get phone calls in the middle of the night on her work phone and tell me she needed to run to the hospital and pick up an 85-year-old female patient that was being released and take her home. She would then go to the guy’s house and have sex. On other nights she would go to bed with me then sneak out a couple of hours to run to the guy’s house to have sex.

I was growing increasingly suspicious and my suspicions began to get confirmed on September 1, 2017, around 7:30 in the evening when there was a knock on the door. I opened it an there was this tall, young(er) black man at the door. He looked startled to see me and said he needed to get some paperwork from my wife. I bring up the man’s color, not because of race, but because whenever I close my eyes I can now imagine the contrast of his body laying against the pale white skin of my wife.

There was no paperwork for my wife. He then suggested that we take him out drinking and dancing and I could be the designated driver. I discovered later that he was hoping for a threesome with me and my wife.

After I declined his offer I excused myself to use the bathroom. I intentionally walked by a strategically placed mirror where I caught them flirting with each other. My heart sank and I knew. After he left I confronted her. She swore repeatedly that nothing was going on. She did the whole swear on the bible and her mother’s grave routine.

We slept on separate sides of the bed that evening. The next morning she apologized, said there was no affair, couldn’t understand why he had come by and suggested that I go treat myself to a few hours of golf. And while I was playing golf she was screwing him.

Our relationship became estranged over the next few days. The on Wednesday, September 6, 2017 a voice in my head told me to call her and confront her once and for all. So I called her. She was about 60 miles out of town “on business.” I told her that I was leaving work in 20 minutes, would be home 25 minutes after that and expected her to be home within 20 minutes after I arrived if she wanted to save our marriage.

When got home within three minutes of the deadline and we proceeded to talk. For two hours she denied the affair. Then she admitted she had been thinking about it. I asked her, “How long did you think about it before you acted upon it?” She finally admitted it and said it was nothing. It took another 30 minutes for her to give the OM’s name. He was the guy I suspected all along.

I asked her if she was sorry. She said “Yes, I’m sorry.” Then she mutter, “Sorry, I got caught.”

This has been the most physically and emotionally damaging thing I have gone through in my life. She lied so easily for the past few weeks. Then she proceeded to tell me what a better man he is than I am. He compliments her, likes her paintings, enjoys listening the one of our musician sons, likes her clothes, etc. I said “Really, he’s a better man than me? He screws a married woman, ridicules her, tells her she’s too old for him and yet he’s a better man than me?”

I then pulled out info from the private investigation I had run on this guy. He had multiple arrests including battery on a woman, failure to pay child support. He has stalked and screwed several woman where they both work(ed). The top female manager there had to leave the state and change her phone number after their short-lived affair. He’s screwing the woman who took that woman’s place. Yeah, he’s better than me.

My wife left the state September 7th and returned on September 20th, telling me she really wants to work on our marriage. But while she was away I told her she needed to cut off all contact with the man who also turns out to be a sexual predator. I asked her to change her phone number. She refused for several days claiming that I was being controlling for even suggesting she do that.

She’s back and wants to work things out but while she seemingly has cut off contact with the OM, she gave her new phone number to several people where she had previously worked with him (she quit the job after I found out).

And she now tells me that they never. With the possible exception of the first time, used condoms. So now I am demanding STD tests from both of us and a pregnancy test for her.

I am removing her as beneficiary on my life insurance as she told me that she and the OM had mentioned to each other that this whole thing would be so much easier if I just died.

People, I don’t want to be here. I don’t want to be posting my dirty laundry in a forum where I know no one. But I feel like I have been ripped apart, had my heart removed without benefit of anesthesia and then kicked in the head a few times for good measure. I am a mess and I just need someone to talk to. I don’t know what the procedure is here and I don’t know how to ask for advice without coming up with specific questions. I feel like my entire marriage has been a sham. I might be able to forgive her, but I can’t seem to forget.

[This message edited by 36yearsgone at 11:29 AM, October 26th (Thursday)]

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Dorothy123 ( member #53116) posted at 10:21 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

36yearsgone,

Welcome to SI. So sorry that you are in pain but so glad that did find us.

I'm glad that you decided to reach out to us even if it meant airing your dirty laundery to people you don't know yet.

Keep posting and you will make fast friends.

I will direct you to some threads to start you off.

Here is link to the abbreaviations we use here.

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/library.asp

Here is a link to the healing library , it will have many answers to the questions that you may have.

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/faq_bs.asp

This has been the most physically and emotionally damaging thing I have gone through in my life

We know exactly the pain you are going through.

Here's proof.

"Being cheated on hurted you so bad that you could've "

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=588628

Here are the physical symptoms you may have as heal from the trauma infidelity.

"What physical symptoms of A did you have? "

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=597986

Here's how long the physical symptoms may last.

"Physical symptoms"

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/archives.asp?tid=524902

I can 100% relate with you that your wife not using condoms is the BIGGEST stab in the heart possible!

I'm sorry to inform you that most cheaters don't use condoms. Shocking but true!

"Did they use protection/ condoms ? "

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=594086

I'm so sorry that you are here and hurting.

Hang tight , others will come along and offer more support and advice.

Sending you strength and peace.

Walking with you.

[This message edited by Dorothy123 at 4:22 PM, September 25th (Monday)]

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Dismayed2012 ( member #49151) posted at 10:26 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

I'm sorry that you find yourself in this situation.

You are correct to get STD tested ASAP. Don't have sex with your wayward wife until you know that she's clean. Also, it's a good move that you've removed her from being beneficiary. You need to make it unprofitable for them to 'off' you. You should also fill out a formal 'Last Will' and executor so that she gets nothing from any estate. Protect yourself.

Regardless of her words, I'd be surprised if she's actually come out of the fog that quickly. It sounds like she was reluctant even when presented with your research. Protect yourself physically and legally and do it quickly. Don't tell her what you're doing until after it's done.

Moving on from this is going to be hard and you may not be able to right away. There's no shame in it if you can't for a while. You have a bright future ahead of you regardless of whether you divorce or not as long as you plan for it now. Also, divorcing can be very therapeutic for you. It doesn't have to be permanent. If you want to re-marry, that's fine but it does give you that mental relief that you are in control of your destiny. You may need that clarity in order to get through the pain of her betrayal.

Blow the affair up. Reveal to the family and close friends. They need to know so that they can understand and help you through this. It also brings shame upon her that will help to keep her in line. Don't let your care for her to stop your resolve. You need to take care of yourself regardless of how it affects her.

Remove her name and info from all of your accounts or setup new ones and transfer your assets into them so she can't take them. If she is or was that head-over-heals for the other man then she would likely be willing to give him money and assets from your accounts. Head her off at the pass before she empties anything. If you want her to have access to money, set her up with her own account and do a periodic automatic transfer into it of the minimum amount that she might need. Anything more than that, she needs to have you withdraw for her. Take over all of the finances. Don't trust her judgement with money. She may have already used or given him money that she wasn't supposed to.

Your number one priority right now should be to protect and take care of yourself. If you decide to stay with her, it's her responsibility to earn your trust. If she doesn't want to put in the time then she moves out. You are in control and you call the shots from here on. Don't make any promises to reconcile with her. Take your time and decide if you can live with her anymore.

Again, you have a good future ahead if you take immediate steps to protect yourself and your future.

Infidelity sucks. Freedom rocks.

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1Faith ( member #38975) posted at 10:30 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

Dear 36,

(((hugs)))

You have been heard.

Unfortunately you are at the right place for your situation.

Sorry you are here and had to find the club no one ever wanted to join.

Please head up to the Healing Library at the upper left hand corner. There is a lot of relevant information there.

You are obviously crushed and confused. This is very normal.

Please consider seeing an IC (individual counselor) for you. Work through some of your hurt and confusion before trying to make sense of your broken marriage. Many companies offer EAP (employee assistance programs) which provide free confidential counseling for a set number of sessions.

It is good that you both get tested for STD's.

Also, please consider seeing an attorney just to know your rights. Know what you could be potentially facing.

You have done nothing to deserve this nor cause your WW to cheat. NOTHING.

Keep posting. Know that people here understand. Yes we are "strangers" but we have experienced your pain and suffering too.

One day at a time.

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Wool94 ( member #53300) posted at 10:45 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

36yearsgone, please take care of yourself. This whole thing is a total A bomb on You!

See your dr for depression or anxiety meds and help sleeping. As you have stated,the STD test is a must.

Drink plenty of water. No alcohol.

Do you have someone besides us to confide in? A good friend, pastor or parent? It's tough keeping this to yourself. Either way post here as much as you need. This is a global forum and usually someone will always respond.

Strength brother!

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D-Day #2: May 21, 2016
D-Day #3: June 7, 2016
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badmemory ( member #58358) posted at 10:45 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

I'm sorry you're here 36yearsgone. What an absolutely brutal betrayal. One I can relate to.

First of all, this cheating as about as bad as I've heard of in a while. Not many men would be able to get past such blatant deceit, mockery and disrespect. Frankly, I don't think you should even try. The mind movies, the resentfulness, the anger; just too much to swallow - even if she were genuinely remorseful.

But she is not even that. It's quite obvious; but she also admitted as much. And that, should make your decision easier to live with despite your long marriage.

My advice? Go find a divorce attorney and start the D process. Put together your exit strategy. Then separate her from your bedroom, implement the 180 to detach, separate your finances and have her served asap. Don't leave your home without first discussing that with your attorney.

You deserve better than her.

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 10:55 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

Wool94, I thouught I had people to talk to, but apparently when you're one-half a couple your married friends don't want to get involved. Though one single female friend of hers has reached out, but I think it best to keep her at arm's length.

I want to thank all of you who have responded to my post. I was surprised to find people who understand the trauma I am going through and yet are still willing to communicate with me.

I did communicate with her that she is no longer going to be my life insurance beneficiary. That upset her, but I'm not sure whether she's upset because she feels she has a right to it or that I have taken some steps to begin putting some protections in place.

What I need to know is when is soon too soon? How long before you know when someone is truly remorseful or just pretending and continuing on with their masquerade?

My brain feels on fire over this entire thing. She's told me a couple of things that she did with this OG and suggested maybe we try them out in the bedroom. Things like that seem to act as a trigger and throw me into deep despair, revulsion and depression.

I can't believe I am this messed up after so few weeks.

[This message edited by 36yearsgone at 4:57 PM, September 25th (Monday)]

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Dorothy123 ( member #53116) posted at 10:59 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

I was surprised to find people who understand the trauma I am going through and yet are still willing to communicate with me.

We've been there.

We understand.

We are always eager to help!

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ISurvived7734 ( member #60205) posted at 11:18 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

This is one of the worst stories I've ever read. The audacity of your WW is unbelievably disgusting. Your marriage is dead - don't waste one more second trying to repair it. Pack a bag and leave - now. Call a lawyer and start divorce proceedings ASAP. End all communication with her. The sooner you put her in your rear-view mirror the sooner you will begin to heal. Yes, I understand that you've been with her for a lifetime and this will be really hard to do but there is no future for you in the marriage. She is your past.

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Stevesn ( member #58312) posted at 11:20 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

36-

I believe You currently no where near have a remorseful wife in front of you. If you did, you would know it. See the characteristics of a remorseful spouse below that I have collected on threads here.

Until you see someone like this in front of you The 180 (from the healing library on this site) should be implemented by you and you should be working with a lawyer to start D proceedings (they can be stopped or put on hold anytime a real remourseful wife shows up).

- She would be inconsolable with the thought of how she was the cause of so much pain to the person she loves most in the world.

- she would be begging to know what she could do to make it right.

- for you she would want to let everyone know it was her that screwed up, not you.

- she would want to read books on how to support her BS. She proactively orders them and starts reading. She actively discussed what she is reading

- she would be in IC as much as possible to figure out what went wrong with her and how she could do this to the person she loves most in the world. She proactively schedules this for herself and also proactively asks her therapist for IC recommendations for you to help you deal with the pain she has caused.

- she would feel your pain more than her own and put your happiness ahead of hers.

- she will gladly answer your questions at any time day or night with no objections

- she would write you a letter of apology highlighting how she must have made you feel

- she would focus most on your well being, ignoring her own

- she would realize what the OM really is and start being sick at the thought of him/her. She would start calling him/her names like POS for how he helped her destroy her life.

- They show remorse thru actions, not words. Examples of this could be that they proactively prepared a written timeline of what happened and are as thorough and factual as they can be.

- Other examples are: They book a polygraph when you are available to attend. And they buy a GPS tracker for their car so they can give you peace of mind. They sell something of value to only them to pay for these things so the cost doesn't come from your joint funds (e.g. Collectibles or jewelry or exercise equipment).

If they are only showing Regret and not Remorse then they will only be giving you words, not actions: e.g. "I'm so sorry. But you can trust me now. I promise you I've told you the whole truth: e.g. "You can trust me now. I love you. It didn't mean anything. I know I messed up - do you forgive me? I was so stupid, but I've learned from my mistakes. It's in the past now and we can move forward. I love you more now than I ever have. I promise it will never happen again, can we move on?"

Finally. THE EFFORT PUT INTO RECONCILIATION! If the betrayer doesn't work harder at repairing the relationship than they did to damage it, it isn't going to work no matter if you stay together or not. They need to be working harder at R than you are.

fBBF. Just before proposing, broke it off after her 2nd confirmed PA in 2 yrs. 9 mo later I met the wonderful woman I have spent the next 30 years with.

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NoMercy ( member #54563) posted at 11:28 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

I'm so sorry you had to join our club.

When you find yourself considering 'forgiving' her and reconciling with her, just remember this:

I am removing her as beneficiary on my life insurance as she told me that she and the OM had mentioned to each other that this whole thing would be so much easier if I just died.

THAT'S who'll you be 'reconciling' with.

Good luck to you.

Don't cling to a mistake just because you took so long making it.

Some people aren't loyal to you - they are loyal to their NEED of you. Once their needs change, so does their loyalty...

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Craztcat829 ( member #57788) posted at 11:34 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

Dear Lord sounds like she has lost her mind! I am so sorry for you and your family. Please take care of yourself. Get tested. Lawyer up big time. Then get as far away from them as you can!!!!

Me 61 fWH 64DD 3/27/13Married 36+ yearsR and stronger and wiser

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 12:12 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

I would have to agree with the last few posters here, I see no sign of any remorse whatsoever. First thing I'd do is go see a few attorneys in the morning and begin drawing up papers for a divorce.

You don't have to finalize it, but you want everything in the works. I can tell you right now she thinks you'll never divorce her. You need to make a statement, ( by you actions) that that is exactly what you are going to do unless she make serious and drastic changes before it is completed. This also puts them on a timeline.

I would tell her you are doing this until you have selected an attorney and he has started. You may want to wait until it's time to serve her papers.

Assume this will end in divorce. Do not be surprised if you eventually find out this has been going on much longer than you suspect.

One thing I have learned over the many years I've been here, and that is if you want to save the marriage, you must be willing to lose it.

If she does not show signs of remorse, answer all questions completely, confess all of her cheating, and agree to completely open all emails, texting, phones, etc, to you at anytime,....you are wasting your time.

That's why the lawyers need to get to work, to show her you are serious.

From what little you've said here, I have my doubts she will agree to it.

Been married 37 yrs myself, brother, I CAN relate.

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annb ( member #22386) posted at 12:15 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

Hi, welcome to SI.

What do you do now?

Seek out several attorneys just to find out your rights.

Get tested for STDS asap.

Find a GOOD counselor for yourself.

Do not let her draw you in, and please, please, don't allow yourself to be Plan B.

She is not remorseful. At all.

Right now focus on you. You and you alone.

She's told me a couple of things that she did with this OG and suggested maybe we try them out in the bedroom.

^^^This, sir, is sheer cruelty. Truly.

She was honest with you, she's sorry she got caught. Had you not trusted your gut, she'd still be banging the guy. My concern also would be this guy has a significant rap sheet. Be vigilant, you don't need a bunny boiler scenario. Not only did your wife have an A, but she could have potentially placed you and your family in harm's way.

Please do not trust a word coming out of her mouth. Cheaters lie and they lie and they lie.

We know you are devastated and living this hellish nightmare. We get it, and we are so sorry for your pain.

BTW, there is a thread in the I Can Relate forum for men only. Check it out. Some great members there who have walked in your shoes.

Understand it takes YEARS to move through infidelity. It will also take YEARS to begin to trust her again.

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TimelessLoss ( member #55295) posted at 12:28 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

36,

I'm sorry you have had to find this place.

Do you know where she went from 7 Sept to 20 Sept? Why did she go? Unless you can independently confirm it is likely she lied.

Why did she quit her job? Did she offer that or did you demand it?

I would recommend that you ask her for a complete timeline of the adultery, including those that knew of it.

You realize that you do not really know that the A has ended or that she is not in contact with the adultery partner. The best way to kill an A is to expose it. Expose it to her former workplace. Send the investigative material to Human Resources. Send it anonymously if you have a concern about it being tied to you (I assume the info was legally obtained).

How did the people in your social circle find out about the A? If it was from her please know that she lied, minimized, and perhaps even shifted blame to you.

Do continue to try and get support in real life. You will get supported here and people on SI have your best interests in mind. A trusted family member or friend will make a world of difference.

The people in your social circle are what another infidelity website calls "Switzerland Friends"...they stay neutral...don't pick sides. If any of them aided her in the A or cheered her on they must be cut out of your lives.

Her disrespect is monumental. Her offer to you to rerun her adultery sexual playlist shows she has no regard for your pain.

36, you are the prize. You are the better man. There is a saying here that "They always affair down". Your W proved it again.

I recommend that you make no commitment to her about reconciling. Her stating that she wants to work on the marriage is a false goal. She is the one that needs work.

You have to learn what you are reconciling yourself to before you can truly commit to remaining in the M. Otherwise you may rug sweep her actions and set yourself up to be back here in the future. You need to known the history of the A. The timeline is the first step. You need to have some assurance that the A is in fact no longer going on and she is NC. Exposing the A is the best means of killing it.

"You've got to learn to leave the table when love is no longer being served"

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1survivor ( member #49999) posted at 1:10 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

36, I am so sorry you find yourself here. What your wife did was awful. The comment about it would be simpler if you just died is very telling. Please protect yourself. STD tests for sure. I can agree that your wife is no where near remorseful. I think she used "sorry she got caught". I think that sums it up in a nutshell.

The question you have to ask yourself is if she was being remorseful is "what is she doing to become a safe partner ?" If the answer is not much then you have your answer. A remorseful spouse will do whatever it takes to save the marriage. That includes 100 percent transparency . Her life should be an open book. She wont try to blame you , but will take responsibility for what she did .

I dont think your wife is R material yet . It is too soon to tell . You are still in shock . The best thing you can do is take care of yourself. Eat , drink and maybe even exercise. Dont believe a word that comes out of your wifes mouth. She has proven to be a capable liar . Watch her actions instead. They will tell you what you need to know.

Remember none of this is your fault . This happened because your wife was selfish . It didnt happen because you did that or you didnt do that. She thought it was ok to seek validation outside of marriage and one thing turned into another .Keep posting .

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 2:08 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

Send her to the OM for keeps. Battery, stalking, and all the rest, what a catch! He may even put up with her until she catches on. Then what?

She'll be out in the cold, and on her own.

Make that a reality sooner than layer. You want to push her into that choice, or is that why she came back the first time? I'd calmly offer to help her pack her shit.

[This message edited by twisted at 8:57 AM, September 26th (Tuesday)]

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goalong ( member #57352) posted at 2:12 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

hope you have already told your kids. the rats thrive in secrecy and in darkness. you have a long history but who you were with is gone. Best thing (I think) is to move on without her. For whatever reason she is so callous. Better to get a check up too. And she is not remorseful once thing calm down she will stray again

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xZOOMx ( member #60302) posted at 3:01 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

So she's only sorry she got caught and wished you were dead, why stay with her she has no remorse and obviously no redeeming qualities just be done with the madness expose to family so she can't rewrite the marital history and D her sorry behind. Really in your case you can only find a better quality woman than her she has set the standard so low there's really no comparison.

Payback is a bitch but revenge is a mother fucker and I'm here to fuck your mother.
Mind over matter: I don't mind, it doesn't fucking matter.

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ICaughtThem ( member #45041) posted at 3:15 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

I asked her if she was sorry. She said “Yes, I’m sorry.” Then she mutter, “Sorry, I got caught.”

This perfectly sums up your WW's attitude. She is nowhere near ready to be R material. She has no remorse at all. She's lied to you for so long she's now a pro at it.

She did the whole swear on the bible and her mother’s grave routine.

Sadly, this part is seen here so often, it's almost a cliche. The more strenuously they deny, the more likely that the truth is the exact opposite. As you've seen.

If the POSOM still works there, I hope you turn in the information the PI found. I'm sure they would like to know what kind of person they have working there.

Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn’t.

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