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I swear I think all of us who are screaming into the void and watching people die because they're refusing to see reality are going to need therapy for this. I'm already mad at family members who aren't even sick yet because I just know I'm going to be dealing with the pain of losing some of them in the coming months because they still think this is a big hoax.

I have a girl posse of sorts, all but one of whom is vaccinated. The unvaccinated one - and her entire family - had Covid in Dec. She works retail and I pray that her employer will require her to get vaccinated soon, as I no longer feel comfortable being around her bc of her vaccination status.

Breaks my heart to think/say it, but I often wonder if those who are banging the "personal choice" drum WRT the vaccine won't "get it" (intellectually or the shot in the arm) until their loved ones, or their community's children, begin to suffer/die from Covid.

Only "good" news is that my state - which is a "hotspot" for Covid/Delta - has had some good looking (tho not enough) vaccination rates in the last couple of weeks.

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I just saw something on SM about a local restauranteur who is not taking indoor seating reservations for unvaccinated and is publicly announcing that his staff is required to be vaccinated to continue working for him (he has several restaurants). I have concerns that some of those employers may end up in lawsuits (I've read some health care workers union is balking at HOSPITALS requiring its employees to be vaccinated).

Just goes to show that what seems like a "no brainer" to some, cannot be grasped by others (kind of like choosing NOT to cheat, amirite?)

Breaks my heart to think/say it, but I often wonder if those who are banging the "personal choice" drum WRT the vaccine won't "get it" (intellectually or the shot in the arm) until their loved ones, or their community's children, begin to suffer/die from Covid.

My ex-SIL is either dying or has died of COVID depending upon how bad her brain damage is and her daughter is on FaceBook posting anti-vaxx conspiracy stuff in between updates on her mom and blaming the hospital for her mother's condition.

So no, lots won't get it no matter what happens. I want to console her daughter and scream obscenities at her at the same time. I just have to stay back at this point.

[This message edited by DevastatedDee at 5:08 PM, July 28th (Wednesday)]

I just hope that the unvaccinated take some personal responsibility and stay away from those that aren't eligible for a vaccination. My grandsons are age 9 and 7 and their parents have friends who are unvaccinated (and don't plan to do so). Even with the risk being low, I worry about them!

I am vaccinated, but lost 2 dear friends to COVID. They left behind 5 children. I cannot believe people still think this is a hoax, but rather feel the need to be defiant to cover their insecurities as people. Very sad.

There is some good news in all of this. The system i work for has definitely figured out a treatment plan that works. It not only works it works well and most patients that need to be hospitalized don't need ICU or mechanical ventilation.

I get the right to choose. But if you choose not to get vaccinated then for the love of humanity stay home as much as possible, wear a mask, and keep your germs to yourself.

I get the right to choose. But if you choose not to get vaccinated then for the love of humanity stay home as much as possible, wear a mask, and keep your germs to yourself

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I agree however, arent the people who refuse to vaccinate the same who bitch about wearing masks, social distancing etc???

I know one person IRL who from the start has been opposed to any restrictions, masks, distancing, vaccines.

He made the local news because he owns a business and refused to implement the mandatory mask mandates within public spaces for customers. He said since his COPD stopped him from wearing a mask he didnt think anyone else should have to either while in his store.

Not sure what came of that, i haven't read the papers.

Found out yesterday my 67yr old brother has covid, he got it from a grade school child he was watching that was home sick because she couldn't go to day care. I don't know if he was vaccinated he lives in another state from me. His oxygen level is good above 94 so his dr. has him at home monitoring it himself. His daughter at one point was a CNA and she is checking on him and helping.

[This message edited by Mel61 at 9:09 PM, July 28th (Wednesday)]

After reading this thread I think I will get the vaccine when it becomes available in my country. We have been lucky not to have had it spread much and to date only a small percentage of people have been vaccinated- only available for the elderly to date. I have been sceptical about the whole thing, but this maybe because I haven’t seen or experienced it first hand and I distrust the local media. It’s good to get some real information.

[This message edited by Unrealized at 4:37 AM, July 29th (Thursday)]

arent the people who refuse to vaccinate the same who bitch about wearing masks, social distancing etc???

yep. and they take no personal responsibility. If someone catches it from them then that person should have not had any comorbidities. It's their own fault.

Doctors in areas where ICU cases are climbing have been quoted saying they are among the unvaccinated and much sicker than the earlier surges. They said those who pass spend less time on ventilators before they go because this variant is so much stronger, if that is the right word. But the saddest thing I have heard about all this is that when people so sick come to them, many patients ask for the vaccine and they have to tell them it is too late.

After reading this thread I think I will get the vaccine when it becomes available in my country. We have been lucky not to have had it spread much and to date only a small percentage of people have been vaccinated- only available for the elderly to date. I have been sceptical about the whole thing, but this maybe because I haven’t seen or experienced it first hand and I distrust the local media. It’s good to get some real information.

Yeah, I think it's a good idea to get vaccinated when you can. This gets ugly quickly when it starts really spreading.

The system i work for has definitely figured out a treatment plan that works. It not only works it works well and most patients that need to be hospitalized don't need ICU or mechanical ventilation.

This. I am in absolute awe of the healthcare workers who not only persisted, but out their lives on the line to care for sick people and had the ingenuity to figure out ways to treat those who are sickest. Bless you, all of you.

I know a guy who lost his dad to Covid back in the winter and yet he still refuses to this day to get vaccinated. Sadly and astonishingly for some people losing a parent or loved one to Covid is still not enough reason to get vaccinated. Another person I know won't get vaccinated because she simply doesn't like the "pressure". My faith in humanity has never been so low.

Being 7 weeks post op from lung surgery, I am paying attention. Like so many, contacting the variant virus would be dangerous for me. I am still not going out and mixing with people yet. I do NOT understand those resisting the vaccine and frankly have no patience with them. So it’s a good thing I’m not out among them. It’s also good I’m not on FB as I feel those people are getting their medical advice from uninformed people on social media. Typhoid,, measles and chicken pox should tell them vaccines work! And Polio!

But the saddest thing I have heard about all this is that when people so sick come to them, many patients ask for the vaccine and they have to tell them it is too late.

Oh my, this brought tears to my eyes.

I know we are not allowed to talk politics here, and I hope I don't cross a line. I'll try to keep it vague and non political. Unfortunately, there's a lot of mistrust going on in the world for a lot of reasons, unrelated to Covid, but in the midst of the pandemic. Talking heads on TV talking out of both sides of their mouths. Contradicting themselves almost daily and expecting viewers to believe them any given day. The human brain does not work that way. It is not in our nature to blindly obey when faced with contradictory "facts." All of us here know how that feels.

Now enter a deadly virus. And the same talking heads are on TV are saying "trust us!!". Trust has already been destroyed. That's how trust works. You lie about one thing, everything else out of your mouth is now suspect. The talking heads want it both ways, but they can't have it both ways, because that's not the way it works.

I went to urgent Care the other day for an insect bite. A woman walked in coughing up a lung, obviously feverish, and miserable. I've had covid, and I was subsequently vaccinated. I still couldn't get to the exit door fast enough.

I have friends who refuse to be vaccinated. I don't hold it against them. I hold it against the talking heads who confused the planet with previous lies. For each of my unvaccinated friends, they cite this as the reason. It was also the reason I was on the fence about being vaccinated myself, and I am very pro-vax.

[This message edited by WhoTheBleep at 11:57 AM, August 1st (Sunday)]

Ya well those talking heads didnt impact my decision to be vaccinated.

Its about being proactive and doing ones own research to get an unbiased view of the situation. Hasn't anyone learned yet that social media is NOT the place to get facts?

Besides, haven't ya'all seen the movie OUTBREAK???

I assumed we as a species would do better when faced with a pandemic but alas, when the day comes that a virus that's 100% fatal strikes, the time of humans will come to an end...

Hasn't anyone learned yet that social media is NOT the place to get facts?

Sadly, I am referring to mainstream news networks (which I personally haven't watched in a year). I ultimately decided to get vaccinated because I asked friends of mine, in real life, in the medical field, to explain to me how the vaccine works. They explained the science to me in a way that I could understand. I trusted them.

Do I understand correctly that by being vaccinated we can still carry and pass the virus to others? So then aren't we really only protecting ourselves from serious illness by being vaccinated? Those who choose not to be vaccinated, aren't they only putting themselves at risk? I hear people say that the vaccinated are protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated.... But how is that if we (the vaccinated) can still pass the virus to the unvaccinated?

[This message edited by WhoTheBleep at 12:50 PM, August 1st (Sunday)]

Mainstream news has always been serving some separate agenda instead of just reporting news as fact.

I have heard more people reference social media as their source for not wearing masks or getting vaccinated.

There's just way to much misinformation out there And it is up to each person to sift through the crap.

Hopefully someone more knowledgeable about the vaccine will pop by but yes i have also heard that it reduces the likelyhood of serious illness and hospitalization.

I saw this summary and it seems about right:

"Less than 0.001% of those fully vaccinated have had a fatal breakthrough case.

Less than 0.004% of those fully vaccinated have been hospitalized."

In other words:

"In a town of 100,000 vaccinated people, 4 people will need to go to the hospital and 1 person will die.

In a town of 100,000 unvaccinated people, 584 people will need to go to the hospital and 168 people will die."

Also read a post from a vaxxed young woman who got a nasty Delta breakthrough infection from a date who lied about being vaccinated, so this will be a Thing now. Gotta love humans some days...

[This message edited by FaithFool at 5:22 PM, August 1st (Sunday)]