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If you are cheating ion your partner with someone . What would u describe as being physical with them ?

Whatever you consider out of bounds in your particular relationship.

Even without any physical touch, if she is doing stuff behind your back that she knows you wouldn't agree with, lying to you etc, then it's cheating. She has stepped outside of the agreed terms of your relationship.

Anything she wouldn’t do if you were standing right there.

[This message edited by BluerThanBlue at 12:48 AM, Thursday, September 19th]

"Anything she wouldn’t do if you were standing right there." - This sums it up perfectly

Anything more than a 2 second handshake. I'd even consider that mutual masturbation (phone sex or FaceTime sex would be physical for me.)

One red line is orgasm with another person in person or phone/Internet

Did they touch?

Some other good barometers:

leafields says - Anything more than a 2 second handshake.

BluerThanBlue - Anything she wouldn’t do if you were standing right there.

I've read and commented on a few of your posts Scoobymac21. Your WW affair was of the physical variety. Don't split hairs of trying to figure out where on the Range Finder it falls. And don't let your WW try to downplay the definition of "physical"

She cheated. Details are just that - not bargaining chips up for debate.

For me the gray and not too defined line between an emotional and physical affair is erotic and romantic content and intentions.
Not so much the action or the touch, but more the intentions with the action or touch.
Like... if your wife got sexually stimulated from listening to OM strum old Beach Boys tunes on his ukelele and he came over with his ukelele to play her some tunes knowing of this, then it’s a physical affair in my books. Even if they sat fully clothed in opposing corners.
Same if he got a hard-on listening to her crunch broccoli. If she knows that and starts chomping on the broccoli right beside him... It’s physical.
It’s basically when one says (or sends a message of some sort) stating "this turns me on" and the other reciprocates with the desired action. Be that strumming a string-instrument or blowing on an appendage.

Your future is what you can tolerate. Look at the intent of your SO. If it is to feel a zip and you don’t care then you don’t care. If you care and they do it anyway, usually hidden from the bs, then it is cheating. Like Bigger said, they might not be touching but their whole focus is on the other person and not on the bs. That is cheating

It has been 3 years but the pain is still with me daily .
I agree with Leafield and Survrus .
My WS had an online virtual sex ( and emotional bonding too ) with an old college friend , reconnected through the internet . It went for 5 months before I caught her text but continued for another 4 months of underground EA after Dday, before he decided to end it and went NC.

I consider any sexual act or sexual innuendo via video call/ face time as a physical affair.

Any type of physical contact, which has an erotic or romantic intent/purpose and which the Wayward Spouse realizes the Betrayed Spouse would find very disturbing if revealed, hence the secrecy and deception. Toxic secrets are what nearly destroyed my marriage.

Dont get hung up on physical. If they would not do it in front of you, its cheating. Messaging them, deleting stuff, etc. Cheating is cheating.

I'd question any kiss that wasn't a social kiss.