Backtosayhi ( new member #72007) posted at 10:29 PM on Thursday, May 26th, 2022
Emptyglass you are not the foolish one. You just judged him by your own standards - and why wouldn't you? I realised I lived a 20 year lie. My Ex had never been faithful. Then his next wife discovered him on a gay website describing himself as bisexual! I'm not going to offer any advice. You will figure out what is best for you in your own time. A big hug to you.
CoderMom ( member #66033) posted at 4:12 AM on Wednesday, June 1st, 2022
That is a very difficult situation and there is lots of betrayal you will have to work through. Have you considered talking to a therapist?
Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 5:09 AM on Wednesday, June 1st, 2022
If you are going to stay with your husband I suggest you look closely at 1stwife’s story. She dealt with EAs and PAs and had her husband wanting a divorce. She finally had enough and told him she was divorcing him. He stayed but she doesn’t have him on a pedestal anymore and has a backup plan should cheating happen again.
One thing I have noticed about most BSs is we know longer look at our SO the same way. Liars, by the act of lying, are cheaters because they take away our truths. You can not respect someone who has cheated and lied by omission.
Please read Lying by Jonathan Wallace in the Ethical Spectacle. It is spot on about what being lied to causes. Great article.
When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis
Lostwings ( new member #79902) posted at 7:28 PM on Friday, June 3rd, 2022
Empty glass ,
So sorry that you belong here with us now but you and I are fortunate to meet this wonderful site to exchange experience with so many members being supportive . The most important thing to you is to know that you are not alone and you have support from the wonderful members here!
I found out about the affair from a text the AP sent my husband and my world just fell apart . It was only 5.5 months of affair but it could go as long as your WH’s betrayal if I did not find out !!!
All I can say is , take your time to grieve, cry, lash out, if you feel like it . Show it to your WH the pain you are feeling now. Let it out of your system !
Time will be your best friend . It has been 10 months since Dday 2 and I still cry or get angry but it was not as devastating as when I just found out and went to sleep crying every night.
Stay with us , read , post, join the discussions with us here … I can assure you , it will help tremendously …
Remember , we all care about you and you are not alone .. Virtual hugs !!!!
I thought it was love at the end of the rainbow , but a banshee came and destroyed my pot of gold . In R.
Odonna ( member #38401) posted at 8:40 PM on Tuesday, June 7th, 2022
It sounds to me like he is rig-sweeping and letting you do all the work. The best diagnostic I know to determine whether a WS is willing to do the work is Linda MacDonald's book: "How to Help Your Spouse Heal From Your Affair." You read it first (it is short) and mark it up as you see fit in the margins and then insist he read it over 48 hours and come talk to you and tell you his plan to follow through. You will know in fairly short order whether or not he can be a "re-builder."
Good luck and stay strong!
Emptyglass (original poster new member #80295) posted at 1:27 PM on Wednesday, June 8th, 2022
Thank you to everyone who has taken time to give advice and encouragement… I really appreciate it. Most days I feel overwhelmed and it helps to know there are others who have walked this that can relate or give words of wisdom from experience or words of encouragement….
Odonna… Thank you for recommending that book. It’s the second time it’s been recommended. I ordered it today.
I’ve had a hard couple days.. not sure why. Nightmares, intrusive thoughts and sadness. I’ve had to take medication to sleep. Sometimes I feel like I take one step forward and three backward. Some days I feel very strong and others very weak. We both are in individual therapy. Rebuilding self esteem and learning how to walk through this new reality is not easy as you all know. Even friendships take a toll. Some have distanced themselves or maybe it’s me distancing and others have stepped up to show support in any way they can. I feel like a fish out of water
ChamomileTea ( Guide #53574) posted at 3:34 PM on Thursday, June 9th, 2022
Even friendships take a toll. Some have distanced themselves or maybe it’s me distancing and others have stepped up to show support in any way they can. I feel like a fish out of water
Yeah, that's something to be careful of. I did find myself self-isolating for YEARS after dday, and it did destroy several longstanding friendships. I think part of that was the depression which set in, but part of it was a simple lack of interest in other people. My brain was so busy with the betrayal. It's like your house is on fire and you're the only one who can see it. The house is burning and people are still talking to you about the weather and their boss and their lumbago, you know? And the worst thing about it is that you're totally AWARE that you're not coming through for people the way you ought to be but even THAT doesn't seem to matter because... your house is ON FIRE!
The only thing I can think to recommend to you is that you work on Mindfulness. As you gain skills with it, it will help you stay in the moment with people and it will also help to calm the amygdala of the brain, which is where the panic signals are coming from.
You're going to be okay. Really. It's going to take awhile and it'll hurt like a bitch, but you'll get through it.
BW: 2004(online EAs),
2014 (multiple PAs)
Married 38 years;
in R with fWH for 7
No one can make you into a liar but you.
Emptyglass (original poster new member #80295) posted at 1:01 AM on Friday, June 10th, 2022
Great analogy Chamomile Tea. Thank you
Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 10:31 AM on Thursday, June 23rd, 2022
It’s good to hear that you are in IC. Just remember that you can only contribute to a relationship to the level you are capable of. A broken person can only create a broken relationship. Focus on you and if your marriage is meant to survive this then whatever you build in yourself, added to whatever your husband builds in himself, will contribute to maybe you two making it.
I have to say that I question the ability of anyone to simply leave a long-term relationship at the drop of a hat. That affair – for all those years – is a long-term relationship. I would be extra weary of there being reestablished contact, while also being careful about the thought-process of someone that can drop somebody they cared about so instantly. I know it might sound contradictory or even counterproductive but there simply isn’t denying that your husband had enough connection with the OW to remain in infidelity all this time, and if he was willing to break his morals, his vows and risk his marriage for something that meant so little for him… Well… I guess his IC has a lot of work.
I am a strong believer in marriage, but also a strong believer that nothing should keep you in a marriage other than your will to be married. My wife and I often have our disagreements, but we realized years ago that our kids (grown up now) would be better off with two loving parents rather than a passive-aggressive and mutually disrespectful parenting couple. We realized that we have it comfortable financially, but eating steak twice a week doesn’t make up for feeling valued and appreciated daily. We realized that we could split. We could divorce. We only had to decide to do so. We even accepted that it was enough that one wanted to divorce. With that understanding and knowledge we also realized that we are only married because we WANT to be married to each other. This gave us great motivation to break down our issues and work on our marriage, and ourselves.
"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus
Butforthegrace ( member #63264) posted at 12:27 PM on Thursday, June 23rd, 2022
I'm sorry that you're here. I don't have much analog from my personal experience. My WW's A was about 6-12 months, as far as I know (never found out the truth). She dumped me for the AP on Dday. We had been involved about 9 years. We didn't have kids together, but I raised her young son as my own, and I continued to have time with him after we separated.
Your WH's A was not just long term, it was extremely long term. Married couples who stay together watch one another morph physically from young to middle age to old, and along with the physical changes and challenges, we morph psychologically too, in the best of cases becoming wiser and kinder, but real life is messy and doesn't always go that way.
In many affair thread, there is the inevitable comparing the BS does, comparing herself/himself with the AP. What does the AP have that I don't? In my case that was especially acute since she left me for her AP. 9 years of being what I thought (and still think, after 27 years of current marriage) was being a pretty damn good mate and lover, all apparently worth nothing.
But in your case, the AP morphed too. After a 13-year A, with an older son, she can't possibly be a young woman at present. What led your WH to stay with her so long? At the risk of sounding cliche, a lot of threads involving cheating husbands are cases where the husband simply wanted some cheap sexual thrills outside of what he perceives as the humdrum of marriage. That's not the case here. It's like you describe -- a double life. It suggests that there is something profoundly wrong with your husband, some circuitry that never got connected in him like it did for most people. As you said, it must feel like you're living with an alien occupying the body of the man who, until recently, you thought you knew. I wish you luck. It seems like your task is figuring out who the alien is and whether you want that alien as your spouse.
"The wicked man flees when no one chases."
Clint ( member #11711) posted at 12:58 PM on Thursday, June 23rd, 2022
It's a hell of a thing. My D day was in 06 and it hasn't been the same since. Reconciliation is just as hard as finding out about the affair IMO. If I had the chance to do it again, I would have gotten a divorce. The emotional turmoil has taken it's toll over the years. Just my take on it. You do what you feel is best for you.