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Betrayed Menz Thread-Part 33

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Notthevictem posted 8/24/2019 10:11 AM

Ht, you could get star ocean used pretty cheap. Not the best rpg, but not the worst.

steadychevy posted 8/24/2019 17:29 PM

I'm 68 and I sure haven't lost interest in sex. I just don't have anyone to be intimate with. Because of my beliefs there would have to be rings involved. I don't know how far down the road that would be, if ever.

I can't imagine living as described on the last half of the last page. I think that would greatly shorten the time until I went to the morgue.

To each their own.

It's only 4:25 here right now. I got one of my Kawasaki Mules stuck when I was out in the pastures spraying thistles. I walked home. I think I'll have a beer anyway.

Grimbergen Double Amber.

sisoon posted 8/25/2019 11:27 AM

IDK, Mr.Kite ... I think of a musician in an independent or assisted living facility, and I can see women lined up by your door.

Sorry - couldn't help it. In reality, I wish you the best success with your plan.

I look at jukebox contents whenever I run into one. The only place I've found John Prine was in a bar in Kingston, NY. I was in a class that met 4 PM - midnight, and we had to go someplace to unwind. There it was: John Prine, Wasted Days and Wasted Nights. Man, I hated that shift. Good class, though. Now I think I need to play my Prine and Steve Goodman albums....

Mr. Kite posted 8/25/2019 14:48 PM


Thank you. Not yet ready for the nursing home by a long shot.

One of the oddities about growing old is that the body feels it but the spirit still thinks it's young.

Been listening to a lot of 80's synth-pop lately. 'Talk Talk,' 'Saga,' 'Icehouse,' 'The Fixx,' etc. Music is magical in that it can instantly transport you back to a place in the past, along with all its memories both good and bad.

We're all bound by a common tragedy but each of our situations is different and our reactions to how we deal with that is unique. What may work for one may not work for another.

As a previous member noted, "to each their own."

HoldingTogether posted 8/25/2019 17:07 PM

Alrighty gents, thanks for all the advice about my video game question. Quick update. I ended up going with Red Dead Redemption 2. Not sure how I feel about it so far though. I mean, the graphics are beautiful, the voice acting is superb, the story is interesting, but.....

Idk, it seems sometimes more like I知 watching an interactive movie than playing a game. Kwim? It痴 kind of like a chose your own adventure novel. Like, it has me make a choice and then I知 just watching a cinematic with little to no interaction half the time. There痴 a lot of riding my horse around, combat is fun at times, but I feel like as long as I知 following the story I知 like a locomotive on rails, follow the path or fail the mission and have to restart it. Just broke Micah out of jail in strawberry and ended up with no choice but to kill half the town. Personally I would have rather just let Micah take a bullet.

Maybe I知 playing the game wrong? Or is it just a different style of game than I was expecting? Any of you guys that have played it want to weigh in I壇 appreciate it. I知 trying to give it time to grow on me but I知 missing the kind of game play I got from fallout and Skyrim.

Maybe I知 just an old man who doesn稚 get these newfangled video games the kids like so much.

Unhinged posted 8/26/2019 22:34 PM

HT, any interest in strategy games? I've loved Sid Meier's Civilization series for... jezz decades.

Notthevictem posted 8/26/2019 23:18 PM

I liked civ 4 the best. It seems like they neuter it a bit with five and then neutered it more with 6.

StillGoing posted 8/27/2019 01:28 AM

Part 33? Jeez, it's like a bar that never closes.

HT if you haven't played it, get Fallout: New Vegas.

Walloped posted 8/27/2019 06:06 AM

HT if you haven't played it, get Fallout: New Vegas

Is that available on the PS4? Didn稚 think it was, but if it is, then agree.

HT - I played and finished RDR2. It痴 a very slow burn. I hunted, fished, talked to everyone, played dominoes, blackjack and poker, upgraded my guns, did side quests, etc. The story is linear though. I found it a mixed bag - but overall enjoyed it. Gotta know what it is, and isn稚, before jumping in though.

Honestly, you池e not going to find many games like Skyrim or Fallout where it痴 pure open world / do what you want. Most RPG痴 have a story that pushes you through.

I will suggest The Witcher 3. One of the best games ever and a real RPG. Probably closest thing to Skyrim, with better stories and fantastic side quests. Horizon Zero Dawn is another. Check out both online to see if they池e up your alley.

If you like heavy-duty isometric RPG痴 (top down) like Baldur痴 Gate, then Divinity Original Sin 2 is a must buy (no need to play the first). Same studio (Larian) recently acquired the rights to make Baldur痴 Gate 3.

HoldingTogether posted 8/27/2019 10:02 AM

Fallout: New Vegas has been a consistent suggestion from most everyone I致e talked to. But, unfortunately it痴 only available for PS4 On the PS Now service. I played about an hour or so of New Vegas that way but it had this super annoying intermittent stutter in the audio that was making me crazy. And, no, I don稚 think it痴 my connection, I知 getting a consistent 190/200mbps so it should stream just fine. Guess they don稚 have all the kinks worked out on that yet.

Witcher 3 had come up a couple of times so I think I値l take a look at that. Not giving up on RDR2 just yet. It does seem like a slow burn which is fine sometimes. But not always what I知 looking for. I think it痴 something I値l be playing off and on for a while but may not be my main go to game, kwim?

I appreciate all the feedback. Keep em coming as you guys think of new ones.


LosferWords posted 8/27/2019 10:15 AM

HT - Is your PS4 connected via Wi-Fi or ethernet? Wi-Fi can cause some of that stuttering, even with a kickass internet speed.

HoldingTogether posted 8/28/2019 14:44 PM

Heya Losfer,

Good to see you man! I知 over WiFi. Unfortunately, due to the logistics of wiring there痴 no way to go Ethernet without busting into my walls... again.

I wired my whole entertainment system through the walls. Did it all myself, tv hanging over the fireplace, surround sound speakers on the walls and the ceiling, consoles and amplifier discreetly tucked away in a corner... then I had to change internet providers and due to logistics had to move the fucking router into another room.


I see Borderlands 3 is coming in a couple weeks. Anybody ever play any of that series?

LosferWords posted 8/28/2019 15:19 PM

Thanks, HT! Good to see SG make an appearance, too. What up, SG!

Another option is ethernet over power line. I only personally know one person who has done this, and he had good luck with it, so YMMV. The equipment isn't that expensive, and if it doesn't work and you keep your receipt...

Good luck with the gaming. My last system was a Sega Genesis, so I can't help ya there.

Incarnate posted 8/31/2019 08:37 AM

I have a PS4 and a PS3 for the games I want to keep playing. Fallout 3 and New vegas are absolute GEMS of games, NV more than 3. You can get a PS3 for pretty cheap nowadays.

For the PS4, my recommendations are God of War, Spiderman, Skyrim, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Fallout 4, Far Cry 4, and Final Fantasy 15. If you just want to


out of something, get DOOM. GET DOOM. DOOM or Wolfenstein. I have Old Blood, New Colossus, and the New Order. Some of the best Run'n'gun games ever made, IMHO.

If I want something calmer, more meditative, I play Minecraft (on PC mostly because I mod it) or Stardew Valley. I actually REALLY like Stardew Valley because while there is a challenge to it, even if you screw up or get 'killed' the stakes aren't super high. You just get a setback, but you don't 'lose' a whole lot. The storyline is simple, all goals are optional, and it is incredibly calm and creative.

If you have a PC capable of any sort of gaming and are nostalgic for classic RPGs from the 90s (like Chrono Trigger or Secret of Mana), get Cross Code on Steam. It's like if you were to take those classic JRPGs and remove all of the limitations that the 16bit cartridges imposed upon them. Deep story with classic graphics (but smoothed), HUGE skill trees, lots of side quests, etc, etc.

Speaking of Secret of Mana, the remake on PS4 isn't bad at all. I think it preserves a perfect balance between updated graphics and sounds while still feeling like the original version. I was playing it with my kids last night (and accidentally saved over my end-game save >_< ).

Oh well. Looks like I get to play one of my favorite games from my youth AGAIN.

[This message edited by Incarnate at 10:59 AM, August 31st (Saturday)]

Incarnate posted 8/31/2019 09:00 AM

In other news, I've started reading again. I know, I know, an author that doesn't read a lot... I must be the worst kind of oddity in that regard.

On a whim the other night, I picked up my copy of Miyamoto Musashi's Book of Five Rings and started paging through the introduction. I got partway through the Book of Earth (there are five "books" in the piece; Earth, Water, Fire, Air, and Void), and it was very grounding, very calming to me. I haven't picked up a shinai, bokken, or waster and stepped into the ring in a solid 8 years, but reading the words of Japan's greatest swordsman to have ever lived made me feel like maybe my crunchy, creaky, overweight body needed a few rounds.

I'm going to pick up an 80lb light bag to hang in my workshop. Hopefully it doesn't shake the roof too much when I'm working it over.

If it does, well... oh well. I need to find my MMA gloves again.

I'd like to keep this Divorce/Separation weight off. My Type II Diabetes is almost entirely managed right now; I even had a handful of M&Ms while gaming with my daughters last night (Secret of Mana and Minecraft; it was like herding cats), and my blood sugar is 100 right now, which is pretty much perfection.

What do you all do to keep weight off without losing muscle mass? As soon as I do ANY resistance training at all, my weight loss stops, reverses, and I'm climbing again. I do my best to maintain a calorie deficit, but with weight training, that's pretty difficult. I maintain my muscle mass decently when losing weight, but it does start to shrink once my weight loss really get underway, so I start lifting again, and the weight loss plateaus/reverses.

Oi. The struggles of being a male endomorph. Even at a healthy weight, I'll be labeled as obese. Frustrating as hell.

[This message edited by Incarnate at 9:01 AM, August 31st (Saturday)]

WornDown posted 9/1/2019 18:21 PM

What do you all do to keep weight off without losing muscle mass?

You can't. If you lose weight, you will lose muscle mass (the opposite is true about lifting to gain muscle - you will gain fat as well). The whole goal is to minimize it.

You still have to do resistance exercises (bands, weights, kettlebells, body exercises, whatever) so that you minimize the muscle loss, and maximize the fat loss.

Try just doing body weight exercises: push-ups, pull-ups, squats, burpees, box jumps, etc. Or just do light weights, but bump up the reps, like 20/set.

I'd also say, don't worry about the weight number, focus on the blood chemistry, in your case your glucose. Gaining muscle mass isn't going to cause you to become diabetic (in fact, it'll help prevent it), but gaining fat will. I've never heard of a Type II diabetic who was 6'2", 260# and shredded. See a lot of 5'6" 260# diabetics though.

If you body wants to put that muscle mass back on, let it. Hell, when I hit the weights after months (years) off, I'll gain 5-7 pounds easily (in a week or two), but the pants fit better. My density is changing. After that initial gain, my weight will start to drop (assuming I'm focusing on my diet)

Hit the weights, do cardio until your legs (or arms) fall off, and focus like a hawk on your eating (keep a solid diary of what you ate - weight it, count the calories. Cut out breads and/or sugars). Basically, focus on being fit, not the pound number.

Incarnate posted 9/1/2019 21:16 PM

I've been counting my calories like an accountant. I eat one meal a day currently, and, as a diabetic, I have been watching my carbs like a hawk. My average weekly calorie intake for the last three weeks (since just before DDay 2) is about 5,000 calories (I didn't eat for a few days after DDay2, and then averaged 500 calories a day max for over a week; it's getting better now, but anything over 1,000 calories a day and I throw up).

This is what I started with on July 24th, the day after my ex flew out to make her affair physical, under the pretenses of attending a conference;

I was 292 lbs and my glucose was averaging 170-80 and spiking to 220-250 after meals.

I took this yesterday. 262lbs, blood sugar averaging ~100 consistently, spiking to ~120 after meals.

I have a fantastic frame for piling on weight, whether it be muscle or fat. I definitely want to get my shoulders back. I haven't measured my arms, legs, waist, or chest recently, but I can easily fit into my 42" jeans again, and I do need a belt to keep them up. I generally have a 8-10" difference in size between my chest and waist, so I'm probably about a 50" chest currently.

I don't have the money for a gym membership, evena cheap one, so I built one in my garage a few winters ago. I filled buckets with concrete and put long eyebolts with large washers on them and nuts to hold them in place into it while wet. I have a 100lb 5 gallon bucket, two 50lbs 2.5 gallon buckets, and four 20lbs 1 gallon buckets. I either snaplink them onto weight bars and do my lifts like that or I attach them to steel cables and pull them that way via pulleys, so I can do flys, lat pulls, presses, curls, etc.

I am going to end up building myself a proper weight bench when I can get myself a weight bar for benchpress. Other than that, I've been going on 4 miles walks every few days, but that makes my heels crack like crazy and the corners of my toes act like they're going to get ingrown, so I have to be super careful. Infected toenails are extremely dangerous for me. I'd rather not lose my toes.

LosferWords posted 9/2/2019 14:08 PM

Incarnate - keep up with the exercise. That shit is good for you. It's good for your psyche. It's good for you being productive. It's good for your kids. All good shit.

Keep up with the writing and the reading as well. You've got a lot going for you. Hang in there, brother.

I've recently gained weight. I got a wrist injury from being in a mosh pit with my son at a metal show. Shit happens. Finally doing better. Going to get back on the health regime starting tomorrow. But today I am going to fucking drink beers and grill. Cheers!!

WornDown posted 9/3/2019 09:58 AM

5000 calories in 7 days (714/day) is WAY to little for you. But, due to stress, that's understandable (is the Infidelity Diet). Just don't keep it up long term (>1 month or so). With that calorie deficit, you WILL lose muscle mass. You're basically starving.

Also, eating once a day is also not good, especially if you are diabetic (Type I or II? if II, your problem was likely your weight, which you've "solved." Bravo!). It's much better to eat smaller meals more frequently (like ~300-400 cal/meal * 5-6 meals/day).

It's a bit counter intuitive, but when you starve yourself, your body actually tries to retain every calorie it can as fat, but will breakdown muscle for energy. In the end, you lose weight, but are "skinny-fat;" same body structure as before (muscle to fat ratio), but just smaller. When you're working out and eating a bunch, your body actually gets less efficient and doesn't absorb/retain all those calories. It's why football linemen have to eat 10-12K calories a day. They aren't burning that much; their body is just poorly efficient.

For loosing (or gaining muscle), you want to aim for 1-2% of your body weight/week. If you are loosing more than that, bump up your daily calories by 100-200; you are aren't, cut the calories by that amount. You have to be somewhat Zen about it, there's no magic formula.

If you knew/know that, my apologies for preachin'. Also, you've got to get out of the shock phase of this, so do/eat what you can. Just don't run yourself into the ground.

On the weights, that's some good ingenuity you got going. Some suggestions I'd make, as you are looking to build your gym, are:

Kettlebells: Rogue fitness has good prices. I recommend the 53# and 35# (one each) That's about $150. You can find routines on line that will kick your ass. Heck, you might even be able to use your concrete buckets for some of the work outs. You can also look for used, which brings me to...

Craigslist/Facebook Marketplace: This is the place to look for power(squat) racks, benches, bars, etc. (and kettlebells) for cheap. Look around, and you should be able to get a power rack, bench, 7' bar and ~300-400# of weights for about $500. Don't pay more than $0.50/lb for plates. I've built garage/basement gyms (twice) for about $500 (power rack, bench, barbell, weights), then added what I wanted. All you really need is the rack, a barbell and plates - now you can squat, deadlift, power cleans, overhead presses, pull ups (on the rack). For chest just do pushups until you get a bench (you can also do them in the rack laying on the floor.

I know money is tight for you, but these are suggestions for the future. Good luck!

Incarnate posted 9/10/2019 11:35 AM

I see a major issue that we men have in this thread.

We don't talk to each other or really bond in any meaningful way.

Look at the Betrayed Women's thread. They get down and dirty with it. They form sisterhoods. They update each other, they support each other, it's a constant thing. Why the fuck don't we do it? The reasons are many and varied, but godDAMN, we need to get our shit together.

I started revision on my newest novel. It's difficult trying to rip that creativity out of a void. Most days I feel nothing but anger and despair, unless I'm with my daughters. Well, they're at school all day long, and they don't deserve to have to start emotionally supporting me just because their mother is an abandoning POS.

It's getting easier though. I did some standup comedy on Sunday night, which was supposed to be my 17th anniversary. First one I haven't spent with her since we got together. It's also the anniversary of the first time we were ever "together," and I've only ever been with her. So it was rough, but getting up there on stage and telling my jokes and running my bit was exhilarating and exciting. It was only five minutes, but hey, I've pulled satisfaction out of a five minute time limit before. *rimshot*

Weight loss has stalled because I've begun eating again. I'm hovering right at 260-262, but I look and feel better. I've got a lot on my plate right now so working out has taken a backseat, but I plan on keeping up with the cardio and adding resistance training as well, once I can budget the time to clean up my shop so that I can use my weights again. I want to look good enough that some potential mate will glance at me and doubletake. It'll be hard with this huge Scottish head of mine, but I'm sure I can get it done. Been living off of salads for a while, and it's not so bad.

My oldest turned 16 yesterday, which was a little surreal. She's a badass gothed-out rocker/gamer chick. She's a good kid. Keeps her grades up and doesn't get into trouble and is pretty upbeat and positive, she just loves the goth aesthetic. It's a look that works for her. I did the same thing when I was a little younger than her, and my parents crushed that fast. I'm gonna let her rock it for as long as she wants to. hell, I'll make her chains for her.

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