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hopeforthefuture94 ( member #47348) posted at 5:40 AM on Tuesday, February 6th, 2018

DF74

You are hearing a lot of people practically demand you divorce your wife. I don't know their stories and if they are projecting their pain to your story but remember, this is YOUR story.

Stick to the basics of getting your timeline, contacting an attorney, taking care of yourself , creating your boundaries (demands) and watching her actions.

Keep both D and R on the table, and your sweet daughter in your arms.

We are here for you.

Hope

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WilliamM ( member #60910) posted at 9:19 PM on Tuesday, February 6th, 2018

Did you ever learn if she visits the grave site?

All things are possible.

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ohforanewme ( member #59230) posted at 7:31 AM on Wednesday, February 7th, 2018

Hi dumbfounded

I only joined SI in June of last year so I don’t yet have the wisdom of so many of the seasoned posters and guides on here. So I tend not to offer recommendations or suggest courses of action. What I try instead to do, is just to share some of my experience, and hope that it helps a little.

The first thing I would like to share is that I would have wanted to do the DNA testing. I can share with you that, as a result of my experience of infidelity, 2 young girls have been brought into my life. One 18 years old, and one just 6. I have my own DD, who I love beyond comprehension. I love these two new precious souls just as much. These are not just flighty words of mine. My actions speak to this deep, deep love. I am certain that there are several of the SI team who would vouch for me in this regard. From getting to know you through your posting, I cannot believe that any DNA result will change your love for your DD. My reasons for dong the test would be 3 fold.

The first is to kill the uncertainty. In infidelity, uncertainly is a poison that kills. It kills slowly. The death is excruciating and slow, but the end result is the obliteration of all evidence of life in you. It kills relationships, it kills trust, it kills any spark of love, and in the end, it kills physically.

The next reason is a far more logical and rational. All of you, and especially your DD needs to know for practical health reasons.

The third reason is one I learnt the hard way. Your participating in covering this up, or even just failing to confirm the truth, is you’re playing the Wayward game. I allowed my WW to lure me over to the “dark side” by agreeing to cover up and lie to my DD and DS for almost a year. They felt the tension. No matter how hard we tried to hide it and no matter how we told ourselves that we were doing a good job of doing it, they felt and knew something was very seriously wrong. In ignorance, they conjured and speculated on every possible cause. Has terminal illness entered the home? Was it something that they were doing? Were mom and dad getting divorced? And without the certainty, we robbed them of any chance to process and deal with the reality. Mine were young at the time. Just 10 and 15, but when we finally agreed to tell them, all that was said is, “there is something that we need to tell you”, and DS immediately said, “you getting a divorce”. So much for our success in hiding it. Only you will know when the time is right to tell DD, but once she knows the truth, whatever it might be, you and her will be working on a strong foundation of truth. There is no other solid foundation. Your actions will reassure her of your unwavering love.

In terms of D or R, I am going to make no recommendation. In terms of when you might be ready to make the decision, I am going to make no recommendation. In retrospect, it was a deal breaker for me. There are some wonderful WWs over in the Wayward forum. I am cheering them on. They have transformed themselves into truly loving and honourable human beings who I am certain, will love with all their beings, love only one, and love faithfully for the rest of their lives. I am so hoping for successful R for them, and hoping that their BHs have the capacity for grace, but I feel a tinge of guilt in hoping that their BH will offer them the gift, as I know now, that it is a deal breaker for me, and I would not be able to give the gift.

I knew from DDay, where my head was. I had always known it. I threw her out on the day. But then, my inflated male ego convinced me that if I let my marriage fail, I would be a failure, and I don’t tolerate failure in myself. So, I gave XWW false hope, and subjected my family to almost a year of hell. For some time, I felt guilty for this. My view has shifted a little, and I realise that I now have a peace, in that I have the certainty that my decision was the right one, for all of us. Without that, there might have always been that poison of doubt.

The one thing that I would like to add though, is, while you might not be certain what your final decisions will be, you must not allow yourself to be in limbo. You must be in control and you must be working towards a direction. As one of the wise posters often shares, the good news is that, at least in the early days, probably for up to the first year, the path to either, runs parallel.

Then one final thing for now. For quite some time I regarded SI as fiercely pro R. I even stated it in some posts and was called out for it. Not long after I made those posts, another member started a thread bemoaning how SI was so pro D. Suppose it all comes down to one’s perception. I truly have no opinion on what decision you need to make. I was not the one your wife cheated on. I know nothing of your relationship or the strength of you love for her, or your moral programming. I won’t mind if you make on decisions one day and change it the next. Or even ten times in the day. I will try and support you through it all.

What I do know it that there is a whole section of the site dedicated to stories of successful R. I don’t know of anything that shares stories of successful D. So, I would like to share with you that there can be successful D. My story is one of those. There are many. I would be happy to share it if ever it would be helpful to you. I must caution that neither get you off this roller coaster very quickly, it is just that each of us must choose the path that takes us to our point of greatest healing.

I hope that somewhere in all of the above there is something that helps a bit.

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overit62 ( member #55219) posted at 1:49 PM on Wednesday, February 7th, 2018

ohforanewme I love reading your posts. You write very well. Wish I could do the same.

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 5:50 PM on Wednesday, February 7th, 2018

I echo Isurvived's post. I agree with much of what he said there.

Regardless of which way you go, you are handling things well and I wish you the very best.

Good for CanoeVA to link A1's thread. It is very similar.

I do disagree that anyone is pressuring you to choose D. I didn't see any of that on this thread and furthermore, even if people were saying that, they are expressing opinions based on their experiences and are trying to be helpful. I would disagree that the R board reflects positive or successful R's. I see a lot of pain there though it is a necessary and beneficial aspect of this site.

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tikismom ( member #60546) posted at 6:15 PM on Wednesday, February 7th, 2018

How old is your daughter? She definitely has a right to know her biological origins well before she is an adult (if you happen to find out from DNA she is not biologically yours)

I am so sorry you are in this position!

Me: 39
Him: 43 (NPD)
DDay #1: Sept 2017; Lots of TT & DDays since. EA & PA with an EX. Last known contact with OW: end of December 2017.
Married 10 years, together 15 at time of dday. 2 very young children.
Status: Working daily toward R.

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tessthemess ( member #56395) posted at 7:45 PM on Wednesday, February 7th, 2018

Oh DF74, I am so sorry.

Have you ever seen the movie The Notebook? It's considered one of the most romantic movies of all time, about enduring love. The female lead has an enduring love affair with a soldier old flame while engaged and with another man. So much romance to that!

It seems as though your wife was never remorseful about her choice to betray you- rather, it was a side love affair culminating in a daughter that she has chosen to remember fondly and as a special secret memory of her own. The fact that you can't remember her acting out of the ordinary in any way suggests she has a tremendous ability to compartmentalize, and in fact found the affair as a positive element in her life. To her, this wasn't about betraying you and actually that didn't matter. She had two people who loved her and fawned over her and paid attention to her and enhanced her life. The fact that she kept that drive suggests that she misses that time; it was not a source of shame but a source of comfort.

This is disturbing to me. How a person lacks that sense of ethics. The fact he wanted to return to church, I suspect that's more of a cover up to the fact that perhaps his wife caught on. But make no mistake- she is not remorseful. She is regretful that she got caught. She has proven herself to be an incredible liar and fake- no reason to believe she has changed in less than a week. She would have effortlessly and guiltlessly kept that secret to the grave.

Free Bird, 36. STBXH, 36
EA confirmed Nov. '16, PA exposed Dec 11, 2016.
No longer a mess.
Separated and heading towards D as of June 1, 2018.
"It's a good life if you don't weaken." - Gord Downie

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Tracymqc ( member #54966) posted at 8:24 PM on Wednesday, February 7th, 2018

My H had a 3 year affair and I didn't find out until more than 6 years after it started. There was no pregnancy or child involved which certainly makes it less complicated.

Long story short, we have a better and stronger marriage 17 months out. It has been a long bumpy road that we continue to travel but, we are both committed to making this work.

Trust your gut. It will lead you to the right place.

The butterflies are dying.

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MidnightRun ( member #59434) posted at 11:30 PM on Wednesday, February 7th, 2018

The kids must know.

They shouldn't be forced to live another day tainted by a humongous lie.

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69lake ( new member #61503) posted at 7:00 AM on Thursday, February 8th, 2018

DF74,

Sorry for your pain.

IMO D may be the better option moving forward for the following reasons:

1. WW has not shown any remorse. Actually if the POSOM was still alive now, WW would have left you for him long ago. I do not think that she loved you especially during the affair and POSOM's untimely death forced her to return to you for security. Furthermore, she has great capacity to keep up this lie up to now. There is no guarantee that she will not repeat this behavior in the future especially when there is no consequences.

2. Seeking R will require a tremendous effort from you especially when you have seen the videos and read the texts and you have an unremorsefull WW. Mind movies are a bitch and you have constant reminders in the form of WW and DD.

3. Eventually you will have to tell DD the truth that you are not her true father. Even if you and WW try to hide this truth, DD will eventually find out as she will realise that she is 'different' from DS and you. You will have to think carefully how to break this news to her in the future....are you going to say that she is the product of WW infidelity? How do you think she will take this news? Will she ever be able to respect WW and you? It is very difficult to predict the outcome in the future. Yes, you may be able to mitigate some of the hurt by showing DD lots of love and this will take a lot of effort on your part without alienating DS in the process. I have a relative who adopted a boy and being the only child, the parents showered him with love and used their life savings to ensure his education. They never hid the fact that he was adopted. But after graduating from university, he just left them with no contact since then. The parents are now left alone wondering where did they go wrong.

Even if you decide to D, you can still show love to DD as you will be co-parents while still maintaining your self respect. DD will not understand it now but when she is older and knows the truth, she will respect you for it.

You situation is similar to AmbivalentOne except his DDs were his. You have been lied by WW into accepting and loving a child which is not a product of you seed. You are a good man and your capacity to love is great but R is a very long road and if both parties are not committed to it, it will only hurt the children.

I sincerely hope the paternity test comes out in you favor as it will make you decisions to move forward slightly easier. Strength to you.

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Driti ( new member #50195) posted at 1:30 PM on Thursday, February 8th, 2018

TessTheMess, watch the Notebook again and take notes.

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sudra ( member #30143) posted at 2:09 PM on Thursday, February 8th, 2018

My sense is that if folks with sign up dates of less than 3-5 years are telling you that you cannot get over it, they (most of them) haven't been in it long enough to know.

You've not been back. I hope you are doing okay. I thought your WW showed some promise. Pretty much every WS is not remorseful enough in the beginning. It doesn't mean they won't get it.

I think she's done enough to think she might get to remorse. IF you want R, that makes it worth considering. Maybe she won't do anything further or maybe she will. It's okay to watch and wait before making a decision. And it's also okay to decide right now that cheating was a deal breaker for you.

Just don't let folks who are only weeks, months or a couple of years out tell you you cannot do it. You are driving this train.

Take care. This is hard whether you R or D.

Me (BW) (5\64), Him(SAWH) (68)Married 31 years, 1 son (28), 1 stepdaughter (36) DDay #1 January 2004DDay #2 7-27-2010 7 month EA/PA (became "engaged" to OW before he told me he wanted a divorce)Working on R

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 6:32 PM on Thursday, February 8th, 2018

T/J

I do not see how sign up dates correlates to experience.

T/J over

So DF, any developments today ?

[This message edited by Western at 12:33 PM, February 8th (Thursday)]

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 dumbfounded74 (original poster new member #62526) posted at 9:00 PM on Thursday, February 8th, 2018

Just been taking it a day at a time. I'm trying to eat right and take care of myself, but I really feel mentally exhausted.

WW did a timeline of the A. The whole affair lasted about 17 months, counting from first "come on" to when OM broke it off. She said a lot of it at the beginning was meeting for lunch or coffee, and then after a few weeks, the first intimate encounter. He broke it off when DD was about about six weeks old. She said he didn't even meet her to end it, just broke it off by phone.

I said, what were you going to do if he'd lived, and hadn't broken it off. She said she would have probably kept following his lead and continued the A as long as he wanted. She said he was the one who wanted to see DD after she was born, but then not long after seeing her, he changed, got cold toward WW, and then his talk of reconciling with the church started.

She said when he broke it off, it "shocked me back into reality." She said in a way it was a relief, because they both knew from the beginning they didn't have a future together. I said yes, but you let yourself get pregnant by him. She insisted it wasn't planned, but once she was pregnant, she couldn't terminate herself. She said she told him hoping he would insist that she get an abortion. I said why were you so passive in all this, and she said the only answer she can come up with is that it felt "good to be overwhelmed like that". I must have had a hell of a look on my face, because she teared-up and said, "I'm just trying to be honest like we agreed." She insists it was her first and only affair, that she had never experienced those kinds of reactions before, and that she's never put herself in such a position since. She said she was angry after he ended the A, but then when he died suddenly she saved the emails and clips. She admitted that she wanted to remember the good parts of their relationship. I asked if she ever visited his grave and she said yes, a couple times soon after he died, but not since. She insists she's not the woman she was then, she'll agree to anything I want, post nup, DNA test, telling our daughter, counseling, everything. But I'm leaning toward D today at least. I don't know if I can forgive this, even if she'd never do it again, and of course I have no way of knowing that either.I just feel so tired and weary. If it weren't for the kids I'd like to lie down and not wake up.

I've already made an appointment to get a DNA test for DD that would be legally admissible in court if I decide to file for D. I want to thank everyone here again. Everyone's comments are helpful, from every perspective, because they all help me clarify and consider things I hadn't before.

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harrybrown ( member #59225) posted at 9:31 PM on Thursday, February 8th, 2018

DF-

so sorry for your situation.

hope you are able to sleep.

How would she feel if you had an A and had a daughter?

She has some deep issues. She kept going for so many years with lying to you.

Keep breathing. Maybe get that separation agreement before she changes her mind.

Does not make sense that this is her only A, and she was so good at keeping this from you for years. This is not a little secret.

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MidnightRun ( member #59434) posted at 9:31 PM on Thursday, February 8th, 2018

I truly feel for you, bro.

I, too, experienced jaw-dropping, mind-blowing comments from my xww. I simply couldn't wrap my mind around my ex wife's reasoning. It was sickening. But the bottom line: she strayed, and paid the price.

I wish you strength while deciding whether to R or D.

Can you get away for awhile to rest and think? A few days alone?

Eat properly, and excercise.

[This message edited by MidnightRun at 3:33 PM, February 8th (Thursday)]

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TimelessLoss ( member #55295) posted at 9:40 PM on Thursday, February 8th, 2018

dumpfounded,

Yes, this stuff is mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually exhausting.

She made what I felt were honest admissions because they didn't weigh in her favor. But this...

She insists she's not the woman she was then

.. is disingenuous, wishful thinking. I don't believe introspection alone makes this a valid conclusion on her part. Part of my reasoning is that she made no part of herself vulnerable. Nothing was at risk. So it becomes too easy to arrive at a conclusion like that.

"You've got to learn to leave the table when love is no longer being served"

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mharris ( member #46683) posted at 9:44 PM on Thursday, February 8th, 2018

I am so sorry about this. Your story is one of the most heart wrenching ones I have read on this site. Thanks for updating.

I would really recommend getting some counseling for yourself. You just experienced a huge trauma. It can only help, even if you do 3-4 sessions.

We're here for you!

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 9:45 PM on Thursday, February 8th, 2018

My sense is that if folks with sign up dates of less than 3-5 years are telling you that you cannot get over it, they (most of them) haven't been in it long enough to know.

This is silly. I've been signed up here a year and a half, lurked for about 6 months prior. I caught my (now ex-) ww cheating in July 2004.

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ISurvived7734 ( member #60205) posted at 10:05 PM on Thursday, February 8th, 2018

I don't know if I can forgive this, even if she'd never do it again, and of course I have no way of knowing that either.I just feel so tired and weary. If it weren't for the kids I'd like to lie down and not wake up.

Yes, this is such a cruel betrayal I have no idea how any man could forgive. I hope that someday you can find acceptance and peace.

[This message edited by ISurvived7734 at 4:07 PM, February 8th (Thursday)]



"I always look both ways when crossing a one-way street. That's how much faith I have in humanity..."

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