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DIFM ( member #1703) posted at 3:11 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

I'm going to beat a dead horse on my position. Nothing about D precludes reconciling, if that is what you want later. Nothing. You are not cutting off any option to work things out by going the D route. What D gives you is out of infidelity and a commanding position over your future without constraints placed on you by the legalities of the M.

If you are interested in a new relationship with her after D, but she is not willing, then it was a confirmation that D was the right choice. If you two work things out after D, a new M is $50. If neither of you wants to work it out after D, again, proof the D was the best thing to do.

D is not irrational. It is a reasonable step to lots of choices. The M is dead. D won't kill what is dead. I am not telling you that you should D or that D is the best choice for you or for all situations, but I am reinforcing that D is a rational, viable solution that does not cut off any option you may ultimately want.

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Stillbleeding7 ( member #74983) posted at 3:21 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

You are NOT sticking your head in the sand. There is no solutions for fixing what she did. If you want ask her what solutions she recommends to fix her stealing you being her "one and only". My wife came to the point of saying "why don't you D me and find a virgin to marry?" I said you know me. I'm not a virgin any more, it wouldn't be fair to her. Sometimes there is no fix, and you just have to endure the pain. Sometimes I can and have turned it over to God and I feel good and sometimes I take it back and feel like sh***. She has suffeard too and I've asked her if she regrets staying with me? She says no but she wonders if I would have been happier with someone else. I can't say what is better. I just know that staying with my attention to detail drive has made it hard a lot of times. I hope and pray you find the solution to your no Winn situation. Stay strong, have patience with your self. You a good man. You did nothing wrong. You showed love in your love language and she dismissed it.

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 3:47 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

D is not irrational. It is a reasonable step to lots of choices. The M is dead. D won't kill what is dead. I am not telling you that you should D or that D is the best choice for you or for all situations, but I am reinforcing that D is a rational, viable solution that does not cut off any option you may ultimately want.

Excellent point.

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."

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fooled13years ( member #49028) posted at 4:16 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

AH

My son is spoiled

Have you ever encouraged him to consider any of the branches of the military?

The military has a way of making adults out of spoilt children.

I removed myself from infidelity and am happy again.

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siracha ( member #75132) posted at 4:28 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

Au contraire i think you have handled this like a boss.

Objectively speaking

You have aced step 1 - which is get a lawyer

Now just ace step 2- get a therapist and bingo you are a gold medal winner

Your wife is an olympic prize winner herself - at manipulating you . Buddy you dont have your head in the sand what you have are self protective instincts . Thats a helmet you have on not a sand crown

Your dads advice is well meant but decidedly awful , please tell your father and your son that you love them both dearly

Also since she didnt cheat on them henceforth they should just support you in your decisions

Be clear with them, thats the love you need right now. Otherwise you need distance

[This message edited by siracha at 11:05 AM, August 19th (Wednesday)]

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Dismayed2012 ( member #49151) posted at 5:07 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

You're doing as well as can be expected AHGuy.

I agree with your direction. Notifying the employees of potential issues is always wise. It may be helpful if you give them some input and ask them for their thoughts, ideas, and any other avenues of approach that they might think of. One of them might have an answer to keeping the company solvent.

Following the lawyer's advice is wise also. There are going to be more emotional flareups. This is normal. Keep relying on your lawyer to maintain an even keel moving forward.

Though you may not feel it, you're actually handling this better than most even with the rage moments and roller-coaster emotions. There's a saying, "When walking through the valley of death, don't stop". Keep moving forward; there's light at the end of the valley.

Infidelity sucks. Freedom rocks.

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paboy ( member #59482) posted at 8:14 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

Remember, play the long game. Don't get stuck in the rough, or the bunkers.. Keep playing the long game. Refocus on that.

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whatIknowNow ( member #69015) posted at 9:19 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

looking back, the writings on the wall were as a clear as they could be yet I was too arrogant to suspect anything was wrong or maybe I just rather not face the issue

Several months before my wife informed me she was leaving me for a coworker, little signs started popping. She had a minor fender bender accident in which she ran into someone else, totally not the kind of careless mistake she would usually make.

A couple of months before she mentioned liking a certain song that frankly the lyrics were over my head at the time but it was basically a song about falling out of love.

A month before DDay we were in the car and a song about "not getting off of this cloud" came on and she was clearly getting into it emotionally. I knew the cloud was not me.

There were lots of other clues and hints but I am an old man now who finally realizes that he is probably just a wee bit "on the spectrum" and hints are a very long road with me, if you want to tell me something just tell it in literal words. I get literal words and they have definite meaning to me.

By the time she told me "we have to talk tonight" I knew something was up. In retrospect, I just wanted it to go away. I did not know how to face it, I had no idea what to do or say. In my gut I knew there was something going on, but I was paralyzed.

I doubt if this is a rare situation (not going with your gut, not acting on your suspicions) and I didn't beat myself up about it too long because I don't think the outcome would have been any different either way.

I don't think you should beat yourself up about it either, for the same reason. This is about our spouses, it is not about us.

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HalfTime2017 ( member #64366) posted at 9:19 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

AH, you sticking your head in the sand and not wanting to face the truth and quickly wanting this all to go away is not unusual here.

There are so many husbands, right after D-Day that wants all of this shit to just go away and we can go back to the way we were before the Affair. I say husbands b/c in a way, I think men tend to want to fix things. Instead of talking thru our feelings, we try to fix. This is not just you, its a lot of men on this forum that reacted the same way. Sure there are those that get out of limbo quickly and know for sure that the A, is a deal breaker, but most find themselves in limbo, doing the pick me dance. At the very least you didn't do the pick me dance. Thats huge.

I think at the very least, some IC sessions will be good for you AH. The avoidance, putting your head in the sand and wanting things to go away is a behavior that I am familiar with. Its what I did before I focused on fixing it myself with IC help. I still struggle with it sometimes, but at least you recognize it. Thats how you'll be able to fix it, and hopefully tackle things head on in the future, instead of hoping it away, or putting it away b/c you don't want to deal with it head on. That's an opportunity for growth, and infidelity gives us all a chance to regroup, and get better.

As for your WW, and D. I think you know what you need to do at the end of the day. You may want to avoid the D, avoid breaking up the business and breaking apart your family, but even putting your head in the sand, you know in the back of your heart what you can and cannot live with. Don't let people on here, or the church, your WW sway you. You know if the A, and the 2 yrs of humiliation is something you can live with. Head in the sand or not, I'm sure you know. Remember you didn't cause this, but you do at some point have to go about fixing it. Fixing it could mean D, or R, and that is up to you. And while you're fixing it, you would be wise to fix yourself as well with time spent with an IC.

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ChamomileTea ( Moderator #53574) posted at 9:28 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

When I learned about her cheating I was shocked and broken but my first reaction was blaming myself for being so blind, which I'm still doing, how didn't I see it? looking back, the writings on the wall were as a clear as they could be yet I was too arrogant to suspect anything was wrong or maybe I just rather not face the issue. After that I cowardly let My daughter handle the confrontations while I resorted to 180. I read here that 180 and exposing the A are highly recommended, I did both the first day before discovering this site not because I knew any better no, just because I'm good at avoiding problems or should I say I'm bad at facing them. I listen to all advice not just here but my brother, friends and parents they all make sense to me. I'm pretty sure if I only listen to the church folks before finding you guys I would have forgiven her already. I can not make my own opinion for whatever reason. I want divorce because it is the easiest way out and even D I wanted it as quick as possible. Do I have any idea how I will be feeling after D? hell no. but I wish there was a button I can just push then I'll instantly be in 2022. so I really think I'm sticking my head in the sand or a better description would be that I'm just closing my eyes and marching forward toward the closest door not really knowing what I would be stepping on.

...said everyone who got cheated on ever. Or at least in some variation on that theme.

Most of us do feel like we're making a mess of it. Many of us come in here blaming ourselves. Some of us sit on the fence in limbo for YEARS. You really are doing spectacularly well. And no, I don't think you're super susceptible to suggestion. I think you're open-minded and maybe spending a little time giving those suggestions some thought. Go back to your other thread, where I and some others posted to you about not blaming yourself and read those posts again. YOU are not the cause of all this. We can't control other people or their choices. And of course you didn't notice the red flags. You're not an expert in adultery, your mind doesn't think that way, and NOTHING in your life has prepared you for this. Don't be so hard on yourself.

As you've said though, you do continue marching for the door. That's been relatively consistent. But it's NOT necessarily a bad thing. Unlike some other people who can see no remorse in your WW, I do think her remorse is genuine and that, on her end, R is an option. Just because it's an option though doesn't mean it's right for YOU. You're the only one who can determine what you need going forward. R is hard. You have to come to a point at which you can accept what the WS has done and still be willing to love and support them. You have to put yourself out there with someone who has already PROVED that they're capable of betraying you. And worst of all, you have to take ownership of that choice and be content with making it. All the while, you're haunted by the knowledge of everything they've done. That's not to say it's impossible, because... look around, many of us have indeed chosen R. But it is difficult, and long.

Running straight out for the D doesn't always result in better healing either. We see plenty of divorcees still working through their pain many years later, some of them relitigating their own break-up vicariously in the threads of others. Some are lonely, still trying to find their footing, and dealing with unresolved trust issues.

So, there isn't any safe, guaranteed choice. The best choice is the one which is right for YOU. And only you can know it.

Here's an exercise for you that my therapist gave me... Imagine that you have all the resources you need, as much money and access to what you want, then design your own home. It can be a mansion or a little bungalow, whatever you like. Furnish it in any style and dig down into the details. Let your imagination flow. By the time you're through with this exercise, maybe you've spent some time imagining yourself living in that home and what your lifestyle might be, and even who it's peopled with. Right now, your thought process is constrained by real life, your assets and liabilities, your bills and obligations. This exercise demands that you throw all of that aside and just imagine what your house looks like when it can be ANYTHING. Give it a try. Spend some time and be thorough.

Anyway, I do think you'll need to speak with your WW again. But do it when YOU feel up to it and when you have an idea of what you'd like to accomplish with the meeting. As far as the OBS is concerned, maybe she's got more information and maybe she just wants to satisfy her curiosity. Do what feels comfortable on that. I get that she did you a favor by informing you of the adultery, but you don't owe her constant access to your pain. Right now, your best bet is to be thinking about YOU; what you need, what you want, where you want to be a year from now. This is very much like putting your own oxygen mask on first, right? You can't help others until you've strengthened yourself.

[This message edited by ChamomileTea at 3:32 PM, August 19th (Wednesday)]

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 10:04 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

AH, divorce is not the easy way or the coward’s way. Neither is reconciliation. Both require courage and substance. You have both qualities. You are being tested like never before, like all of us, and it requires courage in the face of darkness.

A line has been running thru my head lately about my own situation and I believe it applies to most of us here: “the beatings will continue until the morale improves.”

I realized in my own situation it applied to my decision to tell my wife I wanted a D and now it applies to me n terms of getting shit done and putting one foot in front of the other.

You can stop the beatings whenever you want by simply removing yourself from an abusive situation. When you do that, your morale will improve.

It’s like being one of those people stuck in Plato’s cave. You can liberate yourself whenever you want - all you have to do is turn your head around and see that the shadows on the wall are being cast by a real sun that is shining outside the cave. “Reconciling“ with someone who is just clinging to you as a plan B life raft is a bit like choosing to remain shackled inside that cave, even though you know the real sun is waiting out there for you.

No one will advocate for YOU like only YOU can. Only you can be your best advocate.

All those church folks, as sweet as they might be, aren’t advocating for you. All these keyboard warriors here on SI including me might think we are looking out for you but really we are just dealing abstractly with your situation. We aren’t living it and we are in the middle of our own shitshow. Your dad really isn’t, even if he thinks he is (and seriously what does he know? Telling you you’re burying your head in the sand? I’d like to see him deal with it). Neither are your kids. And for damn sure your wife isn’t. As ever and always she’s looking out for herself.

And that’s what you need to do too.

Start being your own best advocate. Do what’s right for you. Do what will start you on the path to a better life.

I personally think that means getting free of a deeply damaged self involved person (who I’m sorry is not demonstrating signs of remorse, although she might a year or two from now). But that’s just my opinion.

I’m not living your life. You are.

[This message edited by Thumos at 4:44 PM, August 19th (Wednesday)]

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 10:50 PM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

I apologize if this was already addressed, AH, but does your WW know you are aware of the heater/AC episode? and the way she and OM joked at your expense?

I’m sure she’ll just provide some nonsense spin doctor answer for that but honestly I don’t know how she can even look you in the eye after that and screech at you about looking for solutions.

That’s what I mean by a lack of remorse. A remorseful WW with that on her record would simply not behave in the entitled way she is. They would be too ashamed. She shows a remarkable lack of shame considering what she did for 2 years.

That’s why I felt you should also read Proverbs 30:20

Look up entitlement and regret vs remorse. There are resources here on SI about it - learn how to spot the difference.

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."

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Stillbleeding7 ( member #74983) posted at 2:37 PM on Thursday, August 20th, 2020

AH

I don't know what is best for you. I just know that I have struggled as I have stayed and one of my best friends a guy that was even in my wedding and I in both of his have gone through similar thing. He D his first wife and found the wife he now has and has been so happy and filled with love for over 26 years. I talked to him about a year ago and he asked me how I and why I stayed? I said first I didn't want to hurt her. Second I felt like I gave my world to God. And then I thought I could get over it in time. I thought it wouldn't be so hard or bad. Well it was worse. Not all the time but enough that has left me with lots of regret. I have a great memory. I remember vividly the first time my wife and I made love she doesn't. So after the event with the POSOM last year that she was going to no matter what and he was there, I was triggered and started down the rabbit hole, again . She didn't take my please to not go because she still has some selfish side to her. Well while in the rabbit hole right after we "connected" I asked her do you remember him? She cried and felt like I was still not forgiving her. I have and I do forgive her. Sometimes I still wonder,what life would have been like if I would have made a new life with someone who hadn't betrayed me like my friend did. I too have built my own business and have two paid for property s. Climbed mountains, successful hunter, musician, martial artist, work with my hands and mind, concealed carry, biker guy so I like to think I'm not a wimp. Sometimes I feel like I was weak And just stayed. I've never been able to bring my self to cheat on her. I'm telling you all this just to say I too have and even now and then cry. I'm sure there are those that would stay they wished they had stayed. I don't know what best for you but I pray that you find it and have a better story than me. Stay strong do what is best for you.

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thatbpguy ( member #58540) posted at 3:09 PM on Thursday, August 20th, 2020

I don't know what is best for you. I just know that I have struggled as I have stayed and one of my best friends a guy that was even in my wedding and I in both of his have gone through similar thing. He D his first wife and found the wife he now has and has been so happy and filled with love for over 26 years. I talked to him about a year ago and he asked me how I and why I stayed? I said first I didn't want to hurt her. Second I felt like I gave my world to God. And then I thought I could get over it in time. I thought it wouldn't be so hard or bad. Well it was worse. Not all the time but enough that has left me with lots of regret. I have a great memory. I remember vividly the first time my wife and I made love she doesn't. So after the event with the POSOM last year that she was going to no matter what and he was there, I was triggered and started down the rabbit hole, again . She didn't take my please to not go because she still has some selfish side to her. Well while in the rabbit hole right after we "connected" I asked her do you remember him? She cried and felt like I was still not forgiving her. I have and I do forgive her. Sometimes I still wonder,what life would have been like if I would have made a new life with someone who hadn't betrayed me like my friend did. I too have built my own business and have two paid for property s. Climbed mountains, successful hunter, musician, martial artist, work with my hands and mind, concealed carry, biker guy so I like to think I'm not a wimp. Sometimes I feel like I was weak And just stayed. I've never been able to bring my self to cheat on her. I'm telling you all this just to say I too have and even now and then cry. I'm sure there are those that would stay they wished they had stayed. I don't know what best for you but I pray that you find it and have a better story than me. Stay strong do what is best for you.

Good post.

AH, there is a LOT of wisdom and a lot of strong opinion and a lot of bashing your wife as to what to do. But everyone's situation is unique and my best hope for you is that you make a decision that is truly best for you as you decide moving forward with your life. The worst thing you can do is not following your heart and mind.

Time remains your best ally.

ME: BH Her: WW DDay 1, R; DDay 2, R; DDay 3, I left; Divorced Remarried to a wonderful woman

"There are far, far better things ahead than any we leave behind." C.S. Lewis

As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly...

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Stillbleeding7 ( member #74983) posted at 8:19 PM on Thursday, August 20th, 2020

I too am much better at taking than typing. What I meant to say was that I gave my word to God. Yes my world is already His. There are other miss words but I hope you get the jist of what I was trying to say.

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Stillbleeding7 ( member #74983) posted at 8:26 PM on Thursday, August 20th, 2020

Gist not jist. See I hate typing in this phone.

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Kaliber ( member #74046) posted at 9:15 PM on Thursday, August 20th, 2020

AHGuy

fooled13years:

Have you ever encouraged him to consider any of the branches of the military?

The military has a way of making adults out of spoilt children.

This..

You don't have a choice of being a victim, but you always have a choice of remaining one!

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DictumVeritas ( member #74087) posted at 9:15 PM on Thursday, August 20th, 2020

Stillbleeding,

I gave my word to God

In the context of a Marriage, God is invoked to bless the vows made to each other and is a divine witness.

The vows are made to each other, not to God. Breaking a wedding vow is breaking a vow made to your SO and losing the blessing God bestowed. It is not breaking a vow to God, but a vow before God.

Therefore D is not breaking vows made to God and in the case of a BS it is simply formalizing the fact that the vows made before God was already broken by the Adulterer.

For this reason it is not breaking your word to God if you D an Adulterer.

Matthew 5:32 - Jesus makes divorce in case of adultery justified.

[This message edited by DictumVeritas at 3:17 PM, August 20th (Thursday)]

Your life is but a flicker to the cosmos and only the brightest flickers are recorded by history for good or bad. Most of us just want to live our lives without being interfered with.

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Stillbleeding7 ( member #74983) posted at 9:57 PM on Thursday, August 20th, 2020

I am NOT saying that with adultery one can not get D. I was just saying that for me at that time I viewed my vows to my wife and to God. Yes God is a whiteness but in a covenant it can be a three way vow. Also the word Jesus used was not adultery it was fornication in the Greek the word there was fornication. Please don't let my ADD (attention to detail) get in the way of helping. Sorry if if have offended any one. I agree that D is not adultery and Jesus did allow for it.

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ramius ( member #44750) posted at 10:03 PM on Thursday, August 20th, 2020

I'm taking all my coworkers to dinner tonight to let them know that there is a big chance that by the end of September there will be no "AHUGuy HVAC" very sad to do that but but I have to.

So many lives affected, because she wanted some feels. Sad.

How many scars have you rationalized because you loved the person who was holding the knife?

Their actions reveal their intentions. Their words conceal them.

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