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 Gracey (original poster member #79334) posted at 6:02 PM on Tuesday, August 15th, 2023

Just want to get an idea of how usual it is for WS to say the bare minimum of truth and request that we just return to normal quiet life and forget all WH bad behaviour. Its a really bizarre situation in that WH has returned to being warm and generally caring and talks about future and yet my friendships, mental health and security have been destroyed. WH will not go into discussion or detail or timeline on his EA maybe PA. and why he became both physically and emotionally abusive. He has admitted to EA. Unbelievably he thinks we should go back into friendship group where AP still hangs out and all the females in the group have distanced themselves from me in favour of AP who has painted herself as the victim.
Struggling with this as it appears he doesn’t seem to want to accept he has been caught and everything has changed. Anyone else had this?

Together 34 years Married. 17 years

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TheEnd ( member #72213) posted at 6:25 PM on Tuesday, August 15th, 2023

It's called rugsweeping and most BSs have had some experience with it.

In my case, the rugsweeping was in part an effort to hide the ongoing affair that had gone underground. May not apply to you, but eyes open.

Either way, rugsweeping allows the WS to avoid any / all consequences. Take that friend group you speak of ... if you all rejoin and everyone smiles and nods, then your WS doesn't have to feel guilt or embarrassment over his behavior.

It's all for him, not you. He is acting oblivious to your pain and suffering. Because it makes him feel better if he doesn't have to deal.

How long do you intend to try with a person that won't face himself and can't show you any empathy?

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Diva19 ( member #83232) posted at 6:27 PM on Tuesday, August 15th, 2023

I can totally relate to this, in my case he thinks because he has changed and isn't so as he says not doing any thing that I am suppose to just be normal and not feel like my world was shattered into a million pieces by his own selfish behavior. Some days I just want to scream.

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FunHouseMirror ( member #80992) posted at 6:44 PM on Tuesday, August 15th, 2023

He wants to move back into the house he burned down. Sadly, you see all the damage and destruction that was done and cannot continue to live in those conditions. He needs to do the work to rebuild a new and better home and even after that, you can decide that you still don't want to live there. If he can't accept and understand that he is the one who ruined it and he is the one who has to fix it, you don't have anything to work with.

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 Gracey (original poster member #79334) posted at 7:05 PM on Tuesday, August 15th, 2023

TheEnd, I think your post resonated with me as this what I am afraid of, that the affair is on going. Not sure I was meant to find out from his point of view. His AP had other ideas and she told everybody and laughed at what they were doing to me. I am undecided about his reasons. Could be
a) Shame and unable to take responsibility
b) Delusion and fantasy
c) The affair is still on

I stay because he has up until this been lovely, kind and the love of my life. My eyes are wide open now and we are at MC with me wanting accountability and reconciliation.

Together 34 years Married. 17 years

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crazyblindsided ( member #35215) posted at 7:19 PM on Tuesday, August 15th, 2023

This is typical WS rugsweeping. He doesn't want to be or feel accountable for his actions. He has not only destroyed the marriage you had but also the friend group. I would cut them all off and block especially if they side and still hang out with the OW. I would not recommend marriage counseling as they usually want to save the M at all costs which normally includes rugsweeping and blaming the BS.

Has your WS read "How to Help Heal your Spouse From Your Affair?" It's a good read for both of you. Also would monitor your WS to make sure the A is actually over. If it is ongoing and he wants to rugsweep there isn't much to save here. It's typical WS regret not remorse and it will lead to you resenting him eventually if he doesn't do the work on himself. You should find your own therapist to help you deal with the trauma and he should have his own therapist that holds his feet to the fire.

fBS/fWS(me):51 Mad-hattered after DD (2008)
XWS:53 Serial Cheater, Diagnosed NPD
DD(21) DS(18)
XWS cheated the entire M spanning 19 years
Discovered D-Days 2006,2008,2012, False R 2014
Divorced 8/8/24

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SacredSoul33 ( member #83038) posted at 7:53 PM on Tuesday, August 15th, 2023

I agree that MC with a rugsweeping WS is futile. Your time, money, and effort would be better spent on IC for you.

Struggling with this as it appears he doesn’t seem to want to accept he has been caught and everything has changed.

My guess is that you're also struggling to accept that everything has changed. It's very, very important that you stop categorizing him as the kind, lovely, love of your life that he used to be. He's not that man right now. He's showing you that he's dishonest, unfaithful, a gaslighter, an abuser, and is unwilling or incapable of owning his stuff. Please believe him.

You desperately want him to change, but you can't control another person's behavior. You can only control what you do in response to his behavior.

[This message edited by SacredSoul33 at 7:56 PM, Tuesday, August 15th]

Gasping for air while volunteering to give others CPR is not heroic.

Your nervous system will always choose a familiar hell over an unfamiliar heaven.

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Bor9455 ( member #72628) posted at 9:44 PM on Tuesday, August 15th, 2023

Just want to get an idea of how usual it is for WS to say the bare minimum of truth and request that we just return to normal quiet life and forget all WH bad behaviour. Its a really bizarre situation in that WH has returned to being warm and generally caring and talks about future and yet my friendships, mental health and security have been destroyed. WH will not go into discussion or detail or timeline on his EA maybe PA. and why he became both physically and emotionally abusive. He has admitted to EA. Unbelievably he thinks we should go back into friendship group where AP still hangs out and all the females in the group have distanced themselves from me in favour of AP who has painted herself as the victim.
Struggling with this as it appears he doesn’t seem to want to accept he has been caught and everything has changed. Anyone else had this?

Gracey,

Sorry that you find yourself here, it's a real sh*tty club to have to join. You've been heard and your pain acknowledged, because trust me, I and my friends here on SI know how much it hurts!

Now, for some hard truth, and I will try to be gentle, you need to find your anger and use that anger to act. SI exists here to help people get out of infidelity and quite kindly and gently, your WH is still deep in his affair. There are two books out there, "Not Just Friends" by Shirley Glass and "How to Help Your Spouse Heal From Your Affair: A Compact Manual for the Unfaithful" by Linda MacDonald and having read them myself, they are insightful for both BS and WS, but in your case as a BS, my hope would be that you start standing up for yourself. You are the prize and we will say around here that a WS should be willing to move heaven and earth to fix the damage they've done to their BS and their marriage. At present, your WH wants to pretend this is like old school Nintendo and he can just hit the reset button and go back to the beginning of the level in the saved game and all will be forgiven. That is not how any of this works. Reconciliation following an affair is absolutely the hardest thing that my wife and I have ever done. It requires that both spouses make major changes in their lives and right now your WH hasn't changed anything.

High level, here is what your WH would be doing if he was remorseful and worthy of reconciliation...He would tell everyone in the friend group that he had an affair with the AP and that he and you will no longer be spending time with them socially. He would then delete/block and go no contact with everyone in that group, or at the very least the AP and anyone else in the group who knew of and supported the affair. He would tell AP that he is focusing on his marriage and that he will no longer be in contact with her and any attempts to reach either you or him will be considered harassment, which will cause you to seek a restraining order and other legal support. He would then hand you all passwords/login codes to every single device and every platform to you. He would turn on location tracking so that you know where he is at all times. He would get his ass into therapy and start working on fixing his own shit, because he is the one who cheated and his cheating absolutely nothing to do with you. He would then come home from therapy and be there to answer any and all of the questions you may have about the affair and the events surrounding his affair. Each BS is a little different and their needs are their needs, but if you need to know a detail, he should cough it up without any hesitation. Keep in mind, if you are going to reconcile, at some point you the BS will be asked to forgive him for what he has done, but you have to understand what you are being asked to forgive, so it is natural to want to know the details.


Alright, that is not an exhaustive list, but it is a pretty good start for what you should expect to see if your WH was worthy of reconciliation. At present, he is trying to do what we call rug sweeping. It does not and will not work (ask me how I know barf ). What I would advise you to do is to see an attorney about divorcing your WH and for you to understand what divorce would look like for you. That doesn't mean you have to move forward with a petition for divorce, but knowledge is power and knowing what your future post-divorce would look like really helps to take the mystery out of the situation. One of the things that we say around here is that waywards only respond to strength and consequences. Again, you are the prize here and he cheated on you, it is time for you to lay down your bare minimum needs for any shot at reconciliation and if you want to hand him divorce papers and tell him to figure it out, that would also be the badass move that you could pull on him. Why is it that I'm recommending you go this far? Simply put, he hasn't had any real consequences and he doesn't think he will lose you over his actions, so he isn't doing the work. If you serve him with divorce papers and he decides to just throw in the towel, it will hurt like hell for you, no doubt about it, but you will save yourself months/years of agony of a false R and your healing journey will never fully start.

Myself - BH & WH - Born 1985 Her - BW & WW - Born 1986

D-Day for WW's EA - October 2017D-Day no it turned PA - February 01, 2020

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Tanner ( Guide #72235) posted at 12:42 AM on Wednesday, August 16th, 2023

Of course he wants to move on this is right out of the Cheaters Handbook. He needs to do whatever you need him to do. Letting the WS dictate the terms of R is losing proposition. You run this show now and if he's not willing to anything and everything to help you, then he is not a candidate for R.

One thing the WS fail to realize is they have damaged the M forever. No matter how good our R gets the scars are still there. My W was talking to a friend about our M the other day and it made me realize she still has that giddy, stress free trust. I will never have that in our M again. I will always be on somewhat of an alert, I will always know what she is capable of.

There is never a return to how it was.

Dday Sept 7 2019 doing well in R BH M 33 years

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nekonamida ( member #42956) posted at 4:02 AM on Wednesday, August 16th, 2023

Did you say he became physically abusive? Depending on what that is would greatly impact the advice that you are receiving. If he laid hands on you in any way then you are in a dangerous situation and need to focus on leaving. Even if he never did it before this, he could do it again if he gets frustrated enough with the normal ups and downs of being a BS.

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survrus ( member #67698) posted at 5:34 PM on Wednesday, August 16th, 2023

Wow what an ass WH is...

I would gather up your evidence and expose the OW to everyone in her life, her spouse, parents, grandparents, children over 18, work, facebook etc.

If OW is so proud of what she did she should welcome the publicity.

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 7:21 PM on Wednesday, August 16th, 2023

So nearly 2 years from dday and you still don't have a timeline, you don't have NC with the AP, and you have maybe an admission but not ownership of him having the EA (that he later denies?

You are not in R at all.

180, back to basics on not being engaged in a relationship where your needs remain unmet.

Love is not a measure of capacity for pain you are willing to endure for your partner.

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TheEnd ( member #72213) posted at 1:13 AM on Thursday, August 17th, 2023

I stay because he has up until this been lovely, kind and the love of my life. My eyes are wide open now and we are at MC with me wanting accountability and reconciliation.

Oh Gracey, there is nothing lovely and kind about a person who would expect you to ignore and befriend someone who took pleasure in your pain. The OW told people what was going on and delighted in betraying you.

Can you imagine ever counseling someone you loved to continue engaging with a person who enjoyed hurting them?

He is not anywhere near lovely and kind.

I hope you find your anger. I hope you figure out your worth and demand nothing less than honor and respect. He hasn't shown it so far. You hold the stop watch. You get decide when time is up on his treatment of you.

I wish you strength.

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