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What's wrong with the unmet "needs" model for A's ?

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MoonlightAndMagnolia ( new member #82774) posted at 6:38 PM on Friday, February 24th, 2023

Why does NO ONE ever ask why a BS may have a low sex drive with a WS who is cheating on them? That maybe they are just TURNED OFF by a selfish immature WS who only thinks they should do what they want, not address it with their partner and then not only betray and cheat on them but now turn around after you have stabbed them in the back and now ask "WHY" they are just not turned on by you?

This really spoke to me. I was suffering from a low sex drive. Menopausal, stress, health issues, WH always working. He only seemed interested in fixing my problems so he could get sex. Not to make me happy & whole. And if I did have sex it didn't seem like it was ever good enough for him.

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crazyblindsided ( member #35215) posted at 8:14 PM on Friday, February 24th, 2023

That maybe they are just TURNED OFF by a selfish immature WS

It was definitely THIS ^^^ for me too. I was completely turned off. xWS was not emotionally invested or helping with anything, just on demand sex. I was repulsed by him and so he found it with other people. Now that I'm not with him anymore I am no longer repulsed by sex go figure laugh

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flang ( new member #82908) posted at 10:14 AM on Saturday, February 25th, 2023

unmet needs = sexually incompatible? So the WS doesn't enjoy sex with their spouse and looks for an AP that can satisfy them sexually? What happens if the WS and BS stay together, is the WS resigning themselves to future with a person who can't please them they way they want? How is the BS supposed to go on knowing that? Sounds like a future of regret and disappointment with both haunted by memories of the affair. Point is sex is important in a relationship. It's more than an emotion, it's a very personal connection. To deny oneself that connection in order to stay together seems very sad. To deny your spouse that connection is sad. I don't see a win trying to stay together if this is the reason for an affair.

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Stillconfused2022 ( member #82457) posted at 5:37 PM on Saturday, February 25th, 2023

I think it is more like unmet needs=CURRENTLY sexually incompatible. I don’t think people have affairs simply due to not enuf sex but I do think there are WS who felt rejected on a deep level when their spouses were routinely rejected them physically. In an ideal world they would address this directly with their spouse and/or with professional help. Clearly we are not in an ideal world. After the A we tried to unravel this and help WS understand why I was rejecting them. In my case it was mostly due to body image issues. Just didn’t feel attractive after 3 kids and having put on some significant weight. In brief I lost weight and for the last 7 years our sex life has been phenomenal. Yes this is a terrible message and one that I am horrified to think my daughters may have observed. He behaves badly and I let all of society’s unfair expectations for women rain down on me. That is bad. I wish therapy could have helped me find my beauty the way I looked (although I was probably on a fast track to diabetes). Part of the problem (problem?) was that I didn’t ever care much about my appearance, unless it was to get a new job or try to impress someone. Now, I do put the effort in. Because….I do know that sex is a way my husband feels loved. So, if I wanted to meet that need I needed to be comfortable naked and that just wasn’t going to happen the way I was. Of course as we are getting older now I am up against the fact that no matter how physically fit I am there is no way I am going to look as good as the women he is working with on a daily basis. Of course, he is also not going to look like Ashton Kutcher (or whoever). But that doesn’t matter as much to him as it does to me. It is something we are going to have to do work on. I wish I didn’t have these insecurities. Thankfully, the AP was older than me and not especially attractive so that helped shine a light on the fact that he doesn’t need a supermodel in order to be attracted. We are muddling through, and I wish there were better answers. He would say "i was always attracted to you, weight on, weight off, whatever..". My response is a tentative "maybe?…". Intellectually, I am pretty sure he would have sex with a blow up doll if that doll made him feel like he was the bomb. But, emotionally it is hard to put aside a lifetime of messages that you have to look a certain way for men to find you attractive.

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Justsomeguy ( member #65583) posted at 9:28 PM on Saturday, February 25th, 2023

To start, i dont believe there is ever a justifiable reason to cheat. Leave, divorce? Yes. Cheat, no.

My good friend is a former wayward. He cheated on his W with prostitutes. He was angry at the lack of sex which was as little as a few times a year. Once a month or less is considered a sexless marriage according to therapists. They tried MC, but she refused to budge on the issue. Her intransigence resulted in his passive aggressive response where he would "get even". After years of introspection, he has come to the conclusion that he was too cowardly to end the M as they were both "evangelicals" and he did not want to look bad to his peer group. So yeah, his choice was better barf .

Now, I have spoken to him at length and he has clearly come around to why he did what he did and how it affected his BS, now EX. He was in an abusive M, slowly dying inside. I firmly believe that withholding sex is a form of abuse, just as refusing to communicate is also a form of abuse. Could you imagine a husband who agreed to only have a meaningful conversation with his spouse three times a year? It would be pretty challenging to label that as anything other than psychologically crippling. Oh sure, she could talk to friends,but what if that was taboo? It would be soul crushing.

My journey through infidelity has been very good for his growth as a person and as a man. He has had a ringside seat to the pain and devistation that infidelity brings, and has held space with me in my darkest moments. I say this without reservation: he is one of the finest human beings I know. But despite that, I pull no punches in calling out his terrible choices and he now sees how broken his thinking was back then. He has told his grown son his entire story, withholding nothing. His only desire is that his son be a better man than he was. He is also an open book for anyone in need. I think he feels his shame and guilt need to mean something.

He has also softened towards his EXW. She came from an extremely dysfunctional family who was very legalistic. Her father was an abused man, constantly browbeat by his wife, and i found it gut wrenching to witness,like abox of puppies being kicked down a street. There is a strong indication that she was sexually abused by her brother and hints that her family,most likely her mother, covered it up in order to save face with the church and preserve her image with the church. She has refused counseling, probably fearing what it might uncover. All of this points to significant FOO issues, especially in the area of physical intimacy and gender roles. It is, quite frankly, a mess. Coupled with my friend's FOO issues, it was a broken and toxic relationship doomed from the start.

Ironically, he is in his late 60's, and only now becoming the man he ought to have been his whole life. I wouldnt say he is happy, but he has good moments. She has moved on, most likely carrying the burden of her FOO issues, now coupled with the trauma of betrayal. It breaks my heart.

In the end, yes, healthy people self validate, but there are so few of these mythic healthy people I wonder how we manage to have relationships at all.

[This message edited by Justsomeguy at 11:16 PM, Saturday, February 25th]

I'm an oulier in my positions.

Me:57 STBXWW:55 DD#1: false confession of EA Dec. 2016. False R for a year.DD#2: confessed to year long PA Dec. 2 2017 (was about to be outed)Called it off and filed. Denied having an affair in court papers.

Divorced

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 Dorothy123 (original poster member #53116) posted at 10:15 PM on Saturday, February 25th, 2023

To me, being cheated on by the person that I love and trust the most is the ultimate betrayal already.

Then, to have others blame me for causing the WS to cheat is a simply a slap in the face. mad

[This message edited by Dorothy123 at 10:24 PM, Saturday, February 25th]

"I’ll get you my pretty, and your little dog too!" Wicked Witch of the West.

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Justsomeguy ( member #65583) posted at 12:17 AM on Sunday, February 26th, 2023

I hope you don't think I'm blaming you. I've reread my post and I don't think I did that. My pount was that my friend was a coward who could not confront his W on the issue of intimacy. He was unhappy and tried to address it in a very milquetoast manner. Then, because of his FOO issues, he made some terrible choices and they destroyed his BS, who was already struggling with her own issues. It is a tragic story and looking back, he should have confronted it head on. Either the situation changes or they part ways as they are clearly incompatible.

I'm an oulier in my positions.

Me:57 STBXWW:55 DD#1: false confession of EA Dec. 2016. False R for a year.DD#2: confessed to year long PA Dec. 2 2017 (was about to be outed)Called it off and filed. Denied having an affair in court papers.

Divorced

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 Dorothy123 (original poster member #53116) posted at 12:24 AM on Sunday, February 26th, 2023

I hope you don't think I'm blaming you

Justsomeguy, I think you are talking to me.

No, I didn't even read what you wrote in the post before last. blush

I was just venting about the unfairness of it all.

mad

[This message edited by Dorothy123 at 12:25 AM, Sunday, February 26th]

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