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 ibonnie (original poster member #62673) posted at 11:36 PM on Tuesday, September 27th, 2022

Another day, another (quasi) celebrity cheating scandal. Sigh.

I don't even know who Ned Fulmer is or who the Try Guys are, but saw this and couldn't resist clicking (my fault, I know). This article said,

"Family should have always been my priority, but I lost focus and had a consensual workplace relationship," Fulmer, who built his brand as one of the internet’s Wife Guys, confirmed on Tuesday.

which reminded me of something that was said in the article about Ime Udoka, and the statement he released (iirc).

That one word. Consensual.

You know who didn't consent? The people that these cheaters were already dating/engaged/married to. They didn't consent. The cheaters KNEW they didn't consent. And, I understand that the cheater meant they had a relationship that (in theory) both people were agreeing to (even if there were huge imbalances in power, fame and/or age). But the hypocrisy just really struck me today. As if the issue with the relationship was about consent, as if everyone involved was aware, as if these relationships weren't corroded by lying and dishonesty.

What bullshit. Wouldn't it be refreshing if a cheater, after they get caught and blow up their family's reality, didn't blather on about consent? If they didn't say, "we'll get through this," "we ask for privacy," and instead gave a statement that said something like, "I'm a liar. My moral compass is extremely lacking and I need to work on being a better person. There were two people in my relationship, and while no relationship is perfect, only one person decided to betray people they claimed to love and care for, and that person is me. Please give my partner privacy and space to heal from my very public betrayal."

"I will survive, hey, hey!"

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 12:00 AM on Wednesday, September 28th, 2022

I think everyone understands this is related to the legality of the affair, not the ethics.

We live in a society where cheating is a full on legal activity and generally not even civilly punishable.

Love is not a measure of capacity for pain you are willing to endure for your partner.

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 12:57 AM on Wednesday, September 28th, 2022

Isn’t the short term for non-consensual relationship simply rape?

This has got to be something his legal team edited. I’m guessing they are preventing the AP from suing for damages.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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Shehawk ( member #68741) posted at 1:23 AM on Wednesday, September 28th, 2022

Strangely it I had not been married to WH then him lying to me to have sex with me would have crossed the nonconsent threshold since it was deceptive. Being married to him muddies the waters which is its own form of seriously messed up.

Every thing WH did he did to protect himself.

I am in full agreement with the below. There were too many people in my marriage. So I took myself out of the equation.

This is so true and you will never hear anyone say it....

"I'm a liar. My moral compass is extremely lacking and I need to work on being a better person. There were two people in my relationship, and while no relationship is perfect, only one person decided to betray people they claimed to love and care for, and that person is me."

"It's a slow fade...when you give yourself away" so don't do it!

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BearlyBreathing ( member #55075) posted at 2:08 AM on Wednesday, September 28th, 2022

Another dumbass who not only blew up his marriage, hurt his wife and kids, but also lost his VERY lucrative, VERY cushy job creating stupid content for the internet. Hope his wife gets what she deserves.

And yeah, I read consensual to mean "she’s really young but barely legal and it was consensual". I have no idea (nor do I care) who his AP is, but that smelled of legal-else.

Me: BS 57 (49 on d-day)Him: *who cares ;-) *. D-Day 8/15/2016 LTA. Kinda liking my new life :-)

**horrible typist, lots of edits to correct. :-/ **

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jb3199 ( member #27673) posted at 11:54 AM on Wednesday, September 28th, 2022

Entanglement

BH-50s
WW-50s
2 boys
Married over 30yrs.

All work and no play has just cost me my wife--Gary PuckettD-Day(s): EnoughAccepting that I can/may end this marriage 7/2/14

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twicefooled ( member #42976) posted at 3:14 PM on Wednesday, September 28th, 2022

I will continue to support The Try Guys content because kudos to them for making a public statement and supporting Ariel. I've followed them for many years and I'm sure she's gutted (or maybe she's relieved and can make a move?). Ned can go to hell.

Good for them.

May 29 2021 ***reclaimed myself and decided to delete my story with my ex because I'm now 7 years free from him and mentally healthier than I've been in years.

*********When you know better, you can do better*************

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HarryD ( member #72423) posted at 4:22 PM on Wednesday, September 28th, 2022

All people in affair consent to the affair and sex. Actually it’s the best sex they ever had. Everyone else didn’t consent to the affair, or else it would not be a affair. It would be a open marriage, swinging.
All AF have reason for the affair. Good in there head Most AF are sorry if found out. When the fog goes away AF doesn’t look that good. And how do you trust someone who cheated. Even though it’s with you.

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Dorothy123 ( member #53116) posted at 4:26 PM on Wednesday, September 28th, 2022

This is news to me.

Never heard of the Try guys before.

Wont start watching their content either.

"I’ll get you my pretty, and your little dog too!" Wicked Witch of the West.

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Loyal2Afault ( new member #72065) posted at 4:46 PM on Wednesday, September 28th, 2022

What’s that saying? Everything said before the word "but" is bullshit

Me BS 56 Husband WS 47
Married 22 years
together for 23
Married 19 years on dday October 7, 2019. Currently reconciling

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MIgander ( member #71285) posted at 5:09 PM on Wednesday, September 28th, 2022

L2AF, that is SO true. One of my new bullshit detectors I employ... And I hear it everywhere and am working on eliminating it from myself!

t/j over.

"Lost focus" like he lost his phone? Oops, I left my focus on the hotel room bed where I was fucking AP! WHOOPS! Guess I better go back and look from it- and bring AP to help. She probably knows where it is.

Oy, that's wayward AF.

Interesting his content is under, "Wife Guys." You think he'd have had a more consistent reminder about his... WIFE. Ya, know, so he wouldn't forget to not fuck around at work.

Anyway, I hate this bullshit because it's the blameshifting minimizing crap I did and H does around his spending and EA's.

WW/BW Dday July 2019. BH/WH- multiple EA's. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

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