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 TheLostOne2020 (original poster member #72463) posted at 6:21 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

KingofNothing

How did you find this out? A new discovery? Undisclosed data? Or just a moment of painful clarity? When you use found out it sounds like you discovered some brand new fact. I've read your comments and I'm not seeing where you address this. Did you discover recent texts between her and the BF describing her plans for the next six months?

She's loud on the phone, especially if she thinks I'm asleep. I heard her say something to the effect that she would be in a better place, financially, in 6 months so going through with therapy made since. She said some other things so I know who she was talking to (the dick bag).

I like the grey rock method. I'm not her friend. I'm a co-parent. I have an objective (get the fuck out). My ring has been off for a few weeks now. Already on the card/finance thing, new passwords, etc.

Discuss with your lawyer how those parental rights can be managed. Insist that your wife keep OM away from them - no introducing him to them as part of a new family unit.

This is another primary concern of mine.

Please take full advantage of your network of family, friends, and SI supporters. Feed off their positive energy and their care for you. Many SI posters have commented on how wonderful exercise (particularly weight lifting) is to reduce stress. It is also a great way to stay away from your wife and do something fun and healthy without her. Have your friends come over to spend time with you and keep you occupied. Maybe, have them over for the Super Bowl. You don't have to invite your WW to participate. Let her watch the Hallmark Channel in her bedroom.

I will be - I mean, I'm not taking advantage of them, I'm reaching out to them for support and they are helping. I'm already exercising, doing good. Not at my peak, but I'm still getting stronger. It's actually a bit of a double edged sword - I'm losing weight and getting stronger, but at some point I'll have to eat more. Today is not that day and I suspect I will be struggling to get the proper amount of calories for a while. It's okay, I have weight to lose. So that's good.

Your kids are still at a tender age. If you can do mediation and get everything you need, great. But I do think you'd do well to get a morality clause in there so she can't shack up with the OM.

Yes, I'm thinking about this.

Lost, read Passthis's last post thoroughly. We both pretty much advocate the same 'shock and awe' tactics to convey the to the STBXW the enormity of their actions. I know it comes off as petty but she has to realize, right now, what her actions have cost her, not just you. PassThis has it all laid out pretty clearly, it's a good plan.

Definitely, although to be honest, I don't give a shit if she realizes what her actions have cost her right now. After I'm out, that's fine with me.

I would also think moving in with your parents is a good idea. You will have to soon figure out how to balance pick-up and drop-off for your kids while working. This breaks some parents. Also on your weeks, you won't have space to unwind sometimes. Grandparents usually have time for helping in these areas.

You could pay for allergy shots. It would reduce your reactions.

Also, install a whole house humidifier if they have central air. If not, just get a couple of smaller ones instead of paying rent. Then you can move in more easily. The humidity would reduce the allergens in the air. It might also help reduce the smoke in the air after your father quits. He could go to vaping to slowly quit. It has helped lots of my friends. They just need to reduce it over time and it isn't as toxic as smoking.

Shots are good because being violently reactive to something so widely around will help with both your lives.

Good job on making a decision. Once the other man is on the hook, he might disappear then expect a drastic change from your XWW at that time.

I feel like this is going to be one of my hardest decisions. I'm up in the air about this. It would help, but it also might be detrimental to my kids. I like the ideas that I've gotten with regard to how to clean the house though.

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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 6:55 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Most in your situation only see what they want to see. Congrats for not having blinders on and going through a repeat.

You see the “keep the kids away from the other man” a lot. From what I’ve seen you will have little control over who your wayward introduces them to. I’ve never seen that effectively enforced. You will only be able to control your end.

I would inform his family now. All waiting will get you is time for her to control the situation and tell her/his side of the story to suit them. Maybe the only good option for your kids.

[This message edited by Marz at 12:55 PM, January 22nd (Wednesday)]

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 TheLostOne2020 (original poster member #72463) posted at 7:03 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Thanks.

I've been reading a few threads where people talk about morality clauses, it doesn't seem very effective.

I don't know his family - all I know is his father divorced his mother (cheating) and his father owns the home he's in. His father is maybe in Maryland?

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KingofNothing ( member #71775) posted at 8:09 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

She's loud on the phone, especially if she thinks I'm asleep. I heard her say something to the effect that she would be in a better place, financially, in 6 months so going through with therapy made since. She said some other things so I know who she was talking to (the dick bag).

Oh.. Well. Didn't know that part. There it is then. She can't go NC with him and has not broken up with him at all, it seems.

Does she KNOW you know, now? Did you confront her with the fact and that it's full steam ahead into D?

It would be useful to get access to phone call records (this is doable) to see what number she keeps calling. You're not exactly in data gathering mode any more, but it could be handy to provide hard verification that she never kept her word about breaking up with him.

I don't give a shit if she realizes what her actions have cost her right now. After I'm out, that's fine with me.

Your STBXW has seemed pretty wishy washy throughout this narrative. Sometimes I get the impression she doesn't understand what the hell she's doing and what the impact of not having her plan B around any more is going to be. As in being oblivious, delusional or not believing you'll ever pull the trigger. If you don't want to drive that home, that's fine-- it looks like it's not worth saving at this point.

You're entirely correct; MC is a waste of your time and money now.

Rex Nihilo, the King of Nothing
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EllieKMAS ( member #68900) posted at 8:36 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Ugh I am sorry Lost. Sorry that it ended this way, but also happy for you that you are getting of the shit merry go round that is infidelity. Just one thing tho:

I want things to be amicable, but I am not her friend.

No sir - SHE is not YOUR friend. Slight shift, but important one IMHO.

Amicable is a great goal (and I agree to getting things in text - keep a good paper trail for the foreseeable future).

Sending you strength. It is gonna suuuuuck for a while, but once you're through it it will be well worth the hassle.

"No, it's you mothafucka, here's a list of reasons why." – Iliza Schlesinger

"The love that you lost isn't worth what it cost and in time you'll be glad that it's gone." – Linkin Park

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 TheLostOne2020 (original poster member #72463) posted at 8:46 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Oh.. Well. Didn't know that part. There it is then. She can't go NC with him and has not broken up with him at all, it seems.

Does she KNOW you know, now? Did you confront her with the fact and that it's full steam ahead into D?

It would be useful to get access to phone call records (this is doable) to see what number she keeps calling. You're not exactly in data gathering mode any more, but it could be handy to provide hard verification that she never kept her word about breaking up with him.

She does now. I just went back and forth with her on text. I lost my cool. Probably said too much. I will report below.

I'm pretty sure I already have his number.

Your STBXW has seemed pretty wishy washy throughout this narrative. Sometimes I get the impression she doesn't understand what the hell she's doing and what the impact of not having her plan B around any more is going to be. As in being oblivious, delusional or not believing you'll ever pull the trigger. If you don't want to drive that home, that's fine-- it looks like it's not worth saving at this point.

You're entirely correct; MC is a waste of your time and money now.

Extremely wishy washy. Could open up a car wash, wishy washy. I think she doesn't fully comprehend what she's doing. She feels as though SHE'S in pain. No shits given about me.

So, on to the text messages. She sends me some bullshit about cashing out something her mother left her and the taxes eating it up. I say 'okay. that sucks'. She says something about wanting to buy a jeep.

I say 'have you called the mediator?'

She says that the counselor told her that she doesn't have to be on my timeline. I say okay, just asking. She says that she's clearly not on my timeline. I say, I want to have this settled before I move out.

'I can't talk about this'

I say it's either the mediator or lawyers and the mediator is cheaper. She tells me to stop that I'm bullying her. I say that's manipulative and bullshit.

She plays the victim card about how I see her. I say just call the mediator I want the abuse of the affair to stop, i need to heal and get this done with. She says she has needs too. I say 'I know that, clearly'.

She says she'll call when she's ready. I say why are you torturing me. She says that she doesn't want to hurt me, she wants to fix things.

I say no you don't, if you want us to be friends at all, call the mediator.

She says stop pressuring me, you really want out of this?

I say I'm done with this marriage, I will be out by March and YES I DO (want to be out of this).

She says 'I haven't wanted out, guess I'll have to catch up'

I say, I do (want out), you love him, you are stalling for 6 months to be with him and be in a better financial situation.

She denies it.

I say I overheard her. Stop lying, call the mediator.

She says 6 months is what the therapist recommended. 'everyone would benefit from that'

I say I'm out by March and not me, I'm suffering. I say that she had no intention of staying with me - it was a stalling tactic. That's why you said 'can I live like this for 6-8 years until the kids get out of school?' (that's what she said to the shit stain)

I said 'no i will not be staying with someone who is intent on abusing me, call the mediator, I'm done'.

'I can't talk to you'

I say 'because I know you're lying to me? Just call the mediator, let's keep this civil'

She says 'I love you and I hurt you and I'm hurting too, I want to keep things civil'

I said 'oh bullshit, I heard you, I heard you talking to him, you don't give a flying fuck about me'

'You don't know what you heard, you are misrepresenting me'

I say 'Gas lighting'

I say, does this sound familiar? "I will never have this connection with anyone, how could I feel so good and happy and then just push it away and not want it?" I follow up with 'you're busted'

She said 'I'm not busted, I told you I was struggling'

I tell her that she's just trying to manipulate me - or you're lying to him'

She says 'I see value in our marriage'

I say, which is it? then, no you don't - that would suggest you're lying to him.

She says 'I'm trying to get enough space away from you both to see clearly. I am buying time with everyone - I need time'

I say bullshit, I'm gone by March - my decision.

She says 'thanks', I say, because you lie. She says ok.

I say so please keep this amicable, call the mediator, all you are doing is hurting me more, please stop.

She says 'I don't even know who I am anymore, I only wish I could say to you what I want to say but I know you don't want me to talk'

I say 'I don't know who you are anymore either, but whoever you are, I don't want to be married to you. I will co-parent with you. I already know what you want, you said it to the douchebag. I then said 'another nonsensical spout of bullshit from her 'no one is saying we could work this out' (we being her and I, she said this to him).

I said, yeah working things out was called marriage counseling and trying, you didn't want to, now I don't. I'm done with your abuse, I need to be away from you. We need to be amicable for the kids, you are NOT making this amicable!'

She says 'how am I not making this amicable'

I say you aren't calling the mediator.

There's some more bullshit about cheaper options - her sister didn't spend a lot of money on the divorce, I told her I'm not trying to take the chance that she just jumps state with the kids.

So...Overall, I lost my cool. Should have disengaged. I was shaky with adrenaline afterward. I knew she would pull this shit though. She wants to stall, stall, stall.

I am not stalling. I cannot live like this.

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 TheLostOne2020 (original poster member #72463) posted at 8:55 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Ugh I am sorry Lost. Sorry that it ended this way, but also happy for you that you are getting of the shit merry go round that is infidelity.

Thanks. I need strength for the weeks ahead.

No sir - SHE is not YOUR friend. Slight shift, but important one IMHO.

You are damned fucking right about that. You know what MY FRIEND does? He actually cares about me, he doesn't bullshit me, and he's there for me when I need him. I love my actual friend. She is NOT my friend.

She's a podperson, doppleganger, or possibly a skinwalker. I'm not sure.

Amicable is a great goal (and I agree to getting things in text - keep a good paper trail for the foreseeable future).

It's the only thing I'm hoping for right now, that and getting the fuck out of the house.

Sending you strength. It is gonna suuuuuck for a while, but once you're through it it will be well worth the hassle.

Thank you man.

On a side note, throughout the texts - which I realize I shouldn't have sent - I SO VERY MUCH wanted to write the lines from the movie 'Love Stinks'

"BACK TO HELL, DEMON! BACK TO HELL"

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MickeyBill2016 ( member #56459) posted at 9:08 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Pay attention to what she says, if she's looking to buy a Jeep will you be on the hook for half as it may be a marital asset?

My XWW bought a CRV Honda right when we were getting started on separating. I went to the dealer with her to tell them it was 100% her car and my name was not going on anything. She seemed a little surprised at that.

During mediation she tried to stick me with 1/2 of an 80k student loan. That didn't go very far.

9 years married.
13 years divorced.

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 TheLostOne2020 (original poster member #72463) posted at 9:12 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Pay attention to what she says, if she's looking to buy a Jeep will you be on the hook for half as it may be a marital asset?

My XWW bought a CRV Honda right when we were getting started on separating. I went to the dealer with her to tell them it was 100% her car and my name was not going on anything. She seemed a little surprised at that.

During mediation she tried to stick me with 1/2 of an 80k student loan. That didn't go very far.

This makes me literally nauseous. Thanks for the heads up though.

I think I got so pissed because I KNEW she would try to push it out for six months.

Fucking selfish. The fucking world revolves around her and she doesn't give the slightest watery shit who the fuck she hurts.

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ShutterHappy ( member #64318) posted at 9:20 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Can’t you understand? She wants the marriage and the BF too. Why does she have to choose? She’s suffering...

It sounds like you will have to use a lawyer, she will not go with the mediator. She will stall to keep the marriage and the BF as much as possible. You shouldn’t talk to her at all, there’s no point really.

Me: BH
Divorced, remarried.
I plan on living forever. So far so good

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 TheLostOne2020 (original poster member #72463) posted at 9:23 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Can’t you understand? She wants the marriage and the BF too. Why does she have to choose? She’s suffering...

Lol, yeah, I know that's what she wants. I remember months ago she flirted with the idea of polygamy. Yeah, that's a hard no for me. Plus, cheating on someone and then retroactively trying to implement polygamy? Nah, that's just cheating on someone and being a piece of shit.

It sounds like you will have to use a lawyer, she will not go with the mediator. She will stall to keep the marriage and the BF as much as possible. You shouldn’t talk to her at all, there’s no point really.

I think you are correct.

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EllieKMAS ( member #68900) posted at 9:29 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Lost I am not sure where you are geographically, but I know in my state that filing for legal separation stops the clock on the M for spousal maintenance purposes as well as making it easier to argue if the cheater decides to go all pretty woman and max out your credit cards. May be worth a free consultation with some lawyers to get that done. Also in my state, either party can file on their own for legal separation. Just food for thought.

She's a podperson, doppleganger, or possibly a skinwalker. I'm not sure.

OMG dyin over here! For REALZ.

"No, it's you mothafucka, here's a list of reasons why." – Iliza Schlesinger

"The love that you lost isn't worth what it cost and in time you'll be glad that it's gone." – Linkin Park

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 TheLostOne2020 (original poster member #72463) posted at 9:33 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Lost I am not sure where you are geographically, but I know in my state that filing for legal separation stops the clock on the M for spousal maintenance purposes as well as making it easier to argue if the cheater decides to go all pretty woman and max out your credit cards. May be worth a free consultation with some lawyers to get that done. Also in my state, either party can file on their own for legal separation. Just food for thought.

I'm in VA. I don't think I'd have to pay spousal maintenance - my lawyer said that I wouldn't because we make the same amount of money.

On another note, my mother said that if I needed it, I could reach out to her and she could help me with some of the legal fees. I thanked her, but I do not want to go that route.

But I fucking will if I have to, that just adds to the money I can leverage.

OMG dyin over here!

Right?

I'm going to check for vegetation under my bed tonight.... Not worth the risk.

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ChamomileTea ( Moderator #53574) posted at 9:38 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

If I'm not mistaken, adultery matters in VA. Suing on grounds can mitigate some, if not all, of alimony, should it become an issue. And VA is an equitable distribution state too if my memory serves. You might still be able to mediate and leverage her with filing on grounds if necessary.

BW: 2004(online EAs), 2014 (multiple PAs); Married 40 years; in R with fWH for 10

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farsidejunky ( member #49392) posted at 10:33 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Now you know, brother.

Set a deadline for her to call the mediator.

If she does not do it, you involve attorneys the very next day.

Do not put it to her that way. Instead say something like this...and say it ONE TIME ONLY, via text:

"Wife, please contact the mediator and set an initial appointment by x date, or you leave me no choice but to involve attorneys."

Once...and only once.

Show her your words matter by not watering them down by repeating yourself.

Show her you mean what you say.

And you know this...but stop engaging with her. There is no arguing with someone who plants their ass in the victim chair.

“Never make someone a priority when all you are to them is an option.”

-Maya Angelou

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KingofNothing ( member #71775) posted at 10:49 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

She's a podperson, doppleganger, or possibly a skinwalker. I'm not sure.

"BACK TO HELL, DEMON! BACK TO HELL"

I'm going to check for vegetation under my bed tonight.... Not worth the risk.

LOL, I'm sorry dude.. I know you are suffering, I know you've been fucked over, but you have a sense of style I like. You're cracking me up.

Rex Nihilo, the King of Nothing
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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 11:17 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

Stop talking. The MC was a useless rugsweep. Stay gone.

As was suggested give her a date then act.

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goalong ( member #57352) posted at 11:53 PM on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2020

She says 'I'm trying to get enough space away from you both to see clearly. I am buying time with everyone - I need time'

Looks like she thinks she is the eventual chooser. She has no regard for you emotional well being, meaning she has no love for you. She is taking you in circles. I see lot of negative energy and stress for you in that long back and forth.

You are still in two minds (nothing wrong with that)but you need to take a clear stand as soon as possible since it seems like she is emotionally with the POS and consider you as a safety net as POS cannot be trusted.

Some time you need to accept what life give you and move on. Considering her continuing lack of emotional attachment to you for more than a year before and after Dday, it is unlikely she will change and keeping her around can be a burden.

Once you have taken a clear stand, it is better to avoid such back and forth interactions with her. Also if you decide on D, do not tell her whatever steps you may oy may not be taking. For someone who wants to save the marriage, her behavior is strange.

[This message edited by goalong at 5:57 PM, January 22nd (Wednesday)]

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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 12:03 AM on Thursday, January 23rd, 2020

The only one who can keep you tied up in this is you.

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beenthereinco ( member #56409) posted at 12:16 AM on Thursday, January 23rd, 2020

She says 'I'm trying to get enough space away from you both to see clearly. I am buying time with everyone - I need time'

Looks like she thinks she is the eventual chooser.

Yes the sense of entitlement here is amazing. The idea that after all of this she gets to choose and what, either of you would be lucky to have her? You're doing the right thing. Letting her know that you have chosen. It's no longer up to her.

Good luck to you. You're going to come out of this fine.

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