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Michigan ( member #58005) posted at 5:03 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

So she made plans for Monday instead and drove up to meet this guy (still using cover story of group of people).

She'd gone with the intention of meeting this guy. She was attracted to his personality

ArnTheMug

For the sake of argument let’s say that your wife’s story is totally true. She lied to you so she could talk to a man face to face. He had a good personality and she wanted to talk to him looking at his face.

What did she think the man was thinking? A woman that he talks to all the time is going to a lot of trouble to talk to him in person and is lying to her husband to do it.

Let’s say that your wife is naïve and the idea that the man wanted sex never entered her mind.

So she picked him up in her car and they went in a pub (the one I recommended!) sitting chatting but ended up stroking legs.

Then on the way out of the pub they kissed.

They got in my wife's car and he directed her to somewhere quiet.

ArnTheMug

The guy immediately started to do inappropriate things. She had all the time they were talking in the pub to know where this was going. She could have said no at any point.

IMO this is the best I can come up with to explain your wife. It was exciting for her to get so much attention. She knew what the guy wanted. It was titillating. She convinced herself it was OK to go because she wasn’t going to do anything. Like a moth fluttering around a flame. The fame was lovely but there was no way she would fly in.

The man barely says “hello” before he puts overt moves on her. She puts up token resistance. Maybe moving her leg. But she doesn’t say no at any point because they both know what they’re there for. A part may also be that she led him on and now she can’t disappoint him.

She tells me they both felt instant guilt and regret. She also says she didn't enjoy the experience at all and only went along with it because she was "caught in the moment".

ArnTheMug

Their fantasy was great and it was free because they hadn’t done anything yet. When they got it out of their system the price was immediately too high.

I had the same feeling as a young single guy. I would move heaven and earth to get some sex and feel like a fool after I finished. I put in all of that effort for that and now it's over? Testosterone is a terrible burden but I digress.

Me and my wife have incredible sexual chemistry and I imagine it'd be hard to match.

ArnTheMug

You have young children and good sex with your wife. She’s saying all the right things so you will stay with her.

My advice is to get a job now. It makes you more independent. I’m sure it’s very convenient to have you home with the kids. After what she did she can be inconvenienced a little and do more around the house.

[This message edited by Michigan at 11:06 AM, April 4th (Wednesday)]

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Marriagesucks ( member #46828) posted at 5:18 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

At this stage I don't know what I want to do although she keeps asking me.

Don't let her push you to rugsweep this mess she caused. It's going to take some time plain and simple... to the tune of two to five years minimum... and that is if she shows remorse and does the work to fix herself.

If she truly had an abusive X... she would know the damage that abuse does to a spouse and make no mistake... you have been abused.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

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OneLittleVictory ( member #61821) posted at 5:47 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

I'm not sure I believe that Arn's wife didn't really enjoy it. It took my wife a year to admit it, but at one point recently she told me she had mind-blowing 90-minute porn star sessions with her other guy. Prior to that, she was also giving me the bullshit line about not really enjoying it.

Of course they fucking enjoy it. It's the whole point of what they do.

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beenthereinco ( member #56409) posted at 6:04 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

Hi Arn,

I hope you are taking care of yourself during this time. As Greyson says this progressed down a familiar path for many here. She got to the actual night of sex by making many small decisions along the way and erasing many boundaries. Do not forget this. She fully intended to have sex with the OM the night she lied and went to meet him. This was not unplanned and she didn't get to that point without more happening along the way. She needs to review all of her boundary issues here and not just act like this was a ONS.

Also I agree with others here. Spontaneous confessions are rare. There may be more at work and the fact that she knows the OM has a girlfriend that your WW admits was suspicious that night is probably the clue. Have you spoken to this GF? You should. She may know more than what you know. She may know for example that this was not the first time your WW and the OM have met. Talk to her. Do not tell your WW you are going to do it. My guess is you find out that you got a minimized version of this Affair.

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ICaughtThem ( member #45041) posted at 6:16 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

I'm not sure I believe that Arn's wife didn't really enjoy it. It took my wife a year to admit it, but at one point recently she told me she had mind-blowing 90-minute porn star sessions with her other guy. Prior to that, she was also giving me the bullshit line about not really enjoying it.

Of course they fucking enjoy it. It's the whole point of what they do.

Especially true of LTAs. Otherwise, why continue the A for so long? Because you hated it, yet kept going back???

Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn’t.

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 6:23 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

I feel for you, brother.

Your story....she planned everything and acted on it. She knows you can't leave bc you have no job, so she did what she wanted, consequences be damned.

The sex act....they did it for a long,long time. They both finished several times. And she loved it. If she tells you anything different about, she's lying.

She'll do it again. And again. And every time will be the last time. Until the next time.

She's not a good person. This is who she is, not who she had to fooled into believing she was.

She doesn't love you. Why stay with someone that neither loves nor respects you?

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 ArnTheMug (original poster new member #63311) posted at 8:02 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

Thanks all for the different angles on it. At the moment I think what Michigan said is closest to what I believe is the situation.

I have been grilling her all day to get a full picture of the happenings. She is sticking to her story and I believe her. I should've mentioned this happened in the daytime. They met for non-alcoholic drinks. She has admitted she was attracted to his looks (dark hair and stubble similar to me) from seeing a picture of his face before meeting. That and his personality attracted her as he listened to her and had good talk. They were talking for a while before he started making moves and she dodged his initial advances. She did enjoy things though in a lustful way. She is insistent that he was unable to pleasure her the way I do during their car intimate encounter.

They ended things straight away, removed each other from their social media. However she doesn't want to give up her job, which means they will still be forced to speak. She insists she will be keeping it strictly business and not chatting or having 'banter'.

Reading some of these comments I feel I have to justify myself. The reason I don't have a job is that childcare is so expensive it's really not worth it because I wouldn't be able to get a good salary. So there wouldn't be much monetary difference at the end of the month, meanwhile life would be way more crazy. Also being a SAHD is a full time job, I shop, cook, clean, run errands. And my children are still very young so I prefer to raise them myself rather than using childcare. I do plan to pursue a job in a few years time.

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Tren0R201 ( member #39633) posted at 8:14 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

She is insistent that he was unable to pleasure her the way I do during their car intimate encounter.

Well you're in luck, she gets to try it again with a sexier hunk after the heat dies down.

Amazing sex while you look after the kids..and get a job...in a few years time.

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 10:24 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

Less than 1% if the threads here start with the WS telling the truth.

They lie. And they lie. And they lie. And then they lie some more. If they're discussing the A with you, they're lying.

Of course she's wants to stay with you. She has a babysitter that will do all of the domestic chores while she gets her lust on with whoever gives her attention. She has it made.

The biggest sign that the A has been taken underground? She is still working with him.

I know this sounds harsh, but brother, you need to wake up. Quickly.

If she doesn't quit her job, then she is choosing herself and her man over you, your marriage and your family.

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fareast ( Moderator #61555) posted at 10:53 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

First, you don’t have to justify yourself to any one here for your life choices. You decide what’s best for you and your family, and if being a SAHD is what you and your WW have decided is the best for the family, so be it. It’s good that your WW confessed and as far as you know this was their first hookup. I’m sure you also realize that your WW deliberately decided to meet him because she was attracted to him and knowing she intended to have some type of sexual contact with him. It’s not implausible that afterwards she was repulsed by her actions leading her to confess. But you need to be vigilant and skeptical. As others have said, cheaters lie a lot.

But in any case she needs to address her brokenness in pursuing the AP while married to you. She needs to get into IC at a minimum and address her why’s for betraying her marriage vows. If she stays at this job I think it will eat away at you emotionally knowing that they are still conversing and that the A may continue. But this is your decision to make knowing the possible risks and what you can live with. In the end what do you want your WW to do to prove that she is remorseful and can be trusted. What consequences has she suffered for her betrayal of your marriage? And if she believes that there will be no repercussions for her infidelity, why would she hesitate the next time she is talking to some one with a good personality, who is dark and handsome with stubble? Just something to think about.

Never bother with things in your rearview mirror. Your best days are on the road in front of you.

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beenthereinco ( member #56409) posted at 11:16 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

They ended things straight away, removed each other from their social media. However she doesn't want to give up her job, which means they will still be forced to speak. She insists she will be keeping it strictly business and not chatting or having 'banter'.

This isn't going to work. How are you going to deal with this? Knowing that they talk every day? How can you be sure they will keep it "strictly business"? They didn't before. I think you need to rethink this. I don't see how they can stay in contact. You will not be able to live with that.

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mouthkeptshut ( member #54085) posted at 11:28 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

I’m disappointed that OP has to even justify his SAHD status. The posters using their personal experience to make general statements about gender roles (which is against site guidelines) to further emasculate the poor guy aren’t just privy to immature and outmoded thinking — they are straight up unhelpful and blaming the victim.

Arn, nothing about your arrangement as a stay-at-home father caused your wife to cheat out of a perceived lack of respect for you. Hell, I was working two jobs and my wife still cheated — where was my respect? Just know that it wasn’t something you could have done differently, despite what your wife or posters here might tell you. She will say whatever she can to minimize her culpability so she doesn’t have to be the bad guy. Her poor boundaries led her to do this. Something is very broken with her. She didn’t just do this to you, but your young children as well, who are entirely innocent even if we were to try and do some kind of insane victim blaming.

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SisterMilkshake ( member #30024) posted at 11:40 PM on Wednesday, April 4th, 2018

I am so sorry you have found yourself here, ArnTheMug. And, no you are not a mug. (Not a Brit, but learned this term from our UK members.) But, I am glad you did. You will find most here are very supportive and you do not have to justify your choices to anyone.

How are you feeling? What/how do you think you would like to proceed with your marriage? I would suggest you get a copy of the book "Not Just Friends" by Dr. Shirley Glass and read that. It seems that your WW has no boundaries. There must be strict boundaries for both spouses. What FWH and I did was get two copies of this book. We both read a chapter a week and set up a time at the end of the week to discuss what we read. We put a limit on the time to discuss anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes depending on how long the chapter was. We needed to discuss for at least the time limit but oftentimes we went longer as we had some very deep and productive discussions. However, if either one of us felt we didn't want to further discuss after the initial time lapsed that was okay.

I would also suggest you read the Healing Library which can be found in the upper left hand corner in the yellow box. Pay particular attention to the BS FAQ's that I found extremely helpful.

If she doesn't quit her job, then she is choosing herself and her man over you, your marriage and your family.

Sorry, this is stupid advice. Your WW is the sole breadwinner. (What would you suggest the family live on, Golden R?) However, you may want to suggest that your WW start looking for another job. Depends on how you feel about the situation. Are there others that can take the OM's calls?

She doesn't love you. Why stay with someone that neither loves nor respects you?

This is a ridiculous statement, also. Are you omniscient Golden R? Because if you are I would like to talk to you about some lottery numbers. Now, I am not saying that your WW does or doesn't feel this way, but there is no way that anyone here knows how your WW feels.

Wishing you much peace and serenity, ArnTheMug.

ETA: I would suggest the you copy the article about "What every WS needs to know", here is the link, and give it to your WW to read. http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/healing_library/reconciliation/what-every-wayward-spouse-needs-to-know.asp

Reading that your WW has a good starting off point on knowing what she needs to do. I would also suggest she read the book "How to Help Your Spouse Heal from Your Affair" by Linda J. MacDonald. It is a short and easy read but packed with great information and help.

[This message edited by SisterMilkshake at 11:54 PM, April 4th (Wednesday)]

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d-day 3/10; LTA (7 years?)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak." ~ Homer Simpson

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 ArnTheMug (original poster new member #63311) posted at 12:27 AM on Thursday, April 5th, 2018

I'm still feeling pretty numb like I have an emotional void, so pretty crappy. Whenever I look at her I have visions of her with him. I don't know how to shake these thoughts. Yet I don't feel anger, more like disappointment. Might sound cliché but she is one of those people you'd never have expected to cheat. Always likes to take the moral high ground and always despised people who cheated. That's why I'm so shocked. Yet now I know, it seems so obvious. I now know all the signs to look for in her and can confidently say I would spot it if she were to repeat it.

However I would really like to keep my marriage intact. I have made her aware of this and she is warming to the idea of changing jobs, I think she knows it'll be necessary in order to start reconciliation. I've also made it clear that if we go down this path that she gets 1 chance only.

Thanks for the info, I will read up on these

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 12:33 AM on Thursday, April 5th, 2018

Sorry, this is stupid advice. Your WW is the sole breadwinner. What would you suggest the family live on Golden R?

In situations like this, the decision needs to be made if her keeping her job and money is worth the marriage ending or not. If she's still at work with him, she's still in the affair, at least mentally.

As far as respect and love? I'm sure her head was full of those things for her husband while she was with her OM in the car. Once she "comes to", her true feelings for her H may return.

Right now, she's in panic mode. She may "wake up" later, but right now, it's all about her saving herself.

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Txquail ( member #62946) posted at 12:35 AM on Thursday, April 5th, 2018

I'd make her quit today. If she complains tell her there's no chance unless she does.

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SisterMilkshake ( member #30024) posted at 12:42 AM on Thursday, April 5th, 2018

^^^Again, what would Arn's family live on? They have young children they have an obligation to care for. ^^^

ETA: So easy for you all to sit back in your arm chair and give directives but not have any real life plan on how to keep a roof over their heads and their belly's full. SMH

[This message edited by SisterMilkshake at 6:45 PM, April 4th (Wednesday)]

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"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak." ~ Homer Simpson

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 1:06 AM on Thursday, April 5th, 2018

Arn,

I am sorry about the crisis that your wife has just dumped in your lap. It is a lot to cope with, but I am hopeful that if you take what you need from this forum, and leave what you don't, it will help you figure out what it is that YOU want, and that YOU need to help you get yourself out of infidelity.

I think enough posters have now proven that being a stay-at-home-Dad is not a guarantee of being cheated on, because there are plenty of threads in these forums from soldiers who have been in active combat while their wives have been serial cheaters. Cheating does not happen because of the betrayed spouse; it happens because something is broken in the people who cheat.

And while we're at it, it is now public knowledge that the famous actor Colin Firth has been cheated on by his wife. He's famous, wealthy, talented, lusted after by tons of women, and he got served the same shit sandwich as the rest of us. The reason being that cheats don't give a damn about their spouses; their activities are all about them, not us.

The only reason betrayed spouses think it is about them is because of the excuse-making and blame-shifting that cheats engage in to try and justify their actions or portray themselves as a victim. It is bullshit; do not engage with it. Cheaters cheat because they want to, with no regard for the pain it causes, just as burglars steal for the easy money and the adrenaline rush, with no concern about the damage it causes. Their pleasure comes at the price of someone else's pain, not their own.

What your wife did is a classic ploy that has been played out countless times in the Just Found Out forum. She deliberately and knowingly put herself in harm's way, by engineering a situation where there was a ton of potential for infidelity to occur, as long as the man that she had been firing up and flirting with for weeks took the lead, thereby allowing her to say, "I didn't plan for it to happen. I would never do something awful like that...But somehow...It just happened...I don't know how". As if anyone over the age of eight cannot see that the supposed innocent victim acted exactly like a straight man in a comedy duo setting the funnyman up to deliver a punchline. That is why the excuses that are made afterwards are so weak. "I just got swept along in the moment"..."I didn't realise what was happening until it was too late"..."I thought he was just being friendly and giving me a cuddle".

The bottom line is, if she was not prepared to have sex when she went to meet him, she would not have had sex with him. She knew it was a possibility, and she set waited for the funnyman to deliver the punchline after she had set it up.

The fact that she went out of her way to tell you that she supposedly fell out with a different man because he was interested in sex seems like a smokescreen that she used to disguise her chats with these men as something non-sexual, when they appear to have been anything but. If she found one man's interest in having sex with her offensive, why was she so open to it with the other man? Was it seeing pictures of them in social media that made the difference?

They ended things straight away, removed each other from their social media. However she doesn't want to give up her job, which means they will still be forced to speak. She insists she will be keeping it strictly business and not chatting or having 'banter'.

Arn, they won't be 'forced' to speak. They will continue to speak because your wife wants to stay there talking to him. Why isn't she uncomfortable with that situation? If she isn't, she needs to explain why.

Given what she has just done to you, she should be offering to leave the job if you need her to, not dictating the terms and telling you she is going to stay there and act in a 'safe' way in future. How will you ever have any idea what she says to these men, particularly if she has already established a reputation as a woman who likes dirty talk? And what happens if the other man tells his friends about his easy score? Is that going to put them off trying it on with her, or encourage it?

She has proven that she cannot be trusted in that environment, and she needs to be working 110% to prove that she can be a safe and trustworthy life partner for you, not making efforts to remain in the situation that led to her arranging a hook-up for herself while lying to you.

What is worrying is that she is either doing that knowingly, or she genuinely cannot see how bad her boundaries are, and how open she is for exactly the same thing to happen again. If she could be trusted to prevent this from happening, it would never have happened once. She needs to be out of that place, and away from a conveyor belt of men who are never going to stop flirting or being outright sexual with her in their conversations. Clearly, it's what those guys do at work, and if your wife enjoys it as much as you say she does, how long is she not going to get drawn back in by it?

As far as your decisions go, it is within your rights to take as long as you want to think things through, particularly what you need her to do (and not do) for your mental and emotional well-being if you are going to stay. It sounds like she is trying to rush you into a decision, and that she wants to minimise what has happened as quickly as possible. As tempting as it might be to try and bury this and pretend it never happened, that is not in your best interest, or hers. If she does not fix and change what is broken in her and her values, she is likely to cheat again, because nothing in her, the way she is at the moment, prevented her from cheating.

There are all kinds of steps that you can take, and things that she can do to engineer a change in herself, and plenty of people here have real-life experience of what works and what doesn't. I hope that this forum will become a powerful resource for you.

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 1:10 AM on Thursday, April 5th, 2018

^^^Again, what would Arn's family live on? They have young children they have an obligation to care for. ^^^

ETA: So easy for you all to sit back in your arm chair and give directives but not have any real life plan on how to keep a roof over their heads and their belly's full. SMH

It's a choice they need to make. But the longer she's there, the lower the chances of R, the greater the chances of her cheating again.

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shiloe ( member #1224) posted at 1:20 AM on Thursday, April 5th, 2018

Hell, I was working two jobs and my wife still cheated — where was my respect?

My exWH and I both worked and he had A no. 1 with COW. He blamed it, among other things (me) of stress from working and 3 little kids to take care of. He wanted to go part time. I had been the been supporting him for years, then paid his way through college and paid for his degree.

He made more money then me so I said no, I would go part time.

I took on 98% of the "domestic chores" then. He had way less stress, but still had another A.

The job situation is irrelevant. It is CHARACTER that counts. You work as a team, make concessions on what works best for the family.

I have no less respect for a man who is a SAHD. As long as he really does it with motivation and for his family.

NOT A DAM THING TO BE ASHAMED OF.

ARN

She didn't have to confess, but she did.

That hardly ever happens.

Go slow. Don't believe everything she tells you.

You gut instinct is usually a good indicator.

You can always do a poly if you have doubts...You are going to hit an anger stage in the near future.

Keep posting here.

Some guys on here have some kind of agenda, not all, there are some old timers that will not judge you and give some better support.

Good luck.

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Cheater -58 Married 26 yrs
DD - 23 DD -21 DS-19
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