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Greeneyesbluezy ( member #58158) posted at 10:45 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

36,

What an absolutely apropos bible verse to quote that applies to your thread.

I’m thinking you really need to take your story public, perhaps CNN, where you can expose the POSOM sleeping with your wife, and multiple other women at work, and the boss lady, and the previous boss lady, and wives of men who he is caregiver for, while he is also accused of drugging and raping a couple of other women, all while working at a Christian organization. I’m sure this would be lead story on all the news channels.

Stop right there, I already don't give a fuck.

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MidnightRun ( member #59434) posted at 12:34 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Your stbxw wanted to screw the guy.

It's as simple as that.

It has absolutely nothing to do with you or how you conducted yourself in the marriage.

If not this posom, it would have been another posom with the right line.

Don't beat yourself up. It's your stbxw who's fucked up. Your hurt and confusion will subside with time.

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Booyah ( member #60124) posted at 12:35 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Being a Christian ISN'T about having "faith" in other people of faith. It's about having faith in Christ.

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 1:26 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Being a Christian ISN'T about having "faith" in other people of faith. It's about having faith in Christ

I agree. But shouldn't there be some evidence of that faith?

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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Greeneyesbluezy ( member #58158) posted at 1:36 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

I’m not sure who you would like to see the faith in.

Your wife? All the other women sleeping with the same man? His boss? His previous boss? The wives of the men he caretakes for while sleeping with them? The women he raped? The POSOM himself? The Christian Organization which seems to turn a blind eye to an enormously disturbing, unbelievable, down right heathenistic situation?

Yes. Faith can be abused. We should go back to your quoted bible verse. It does explain it all.

Stop right there, I already don't give a fuck.

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 1:42 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

36,

Three questions and one statement.

Statement first.

I am proud that you come back here to hear both what you want to hear and what you don't and respond to both. That puts you ahead of others. I am the person who wants to hear everything and if I dismiss, it's ok. I appreciate everyone's thought because they are here on their own time because they are trying to help someone avoid what they went through.

Three questions

1) Have you changed your mind in reference to walking away from the assets you are willing to give up

2) Has she tried to continually contact you and what is she saying ? More curiosity than strategy. I am wondering after your long dialogue today, if your wife is feeling pain for what she did.

3) Exposure. Can you pass this off to other people since you are burned out ? Other vixtims await

I have tried to help you. Please answer these

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notanotherchance ( member #46677) posted at 1:43 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Christians, Atheist's, Islam, Jewish, Buddhist, Satan Worshipers. It doesn't matter, if you want to cheat you will. In some religions where death is for adulterer's it is still ongoing. As a matter of fact when I was in Iran in the early 90's 2 women were stoned to death in a village by Ahwaz with the mortal blows thrown by their own family.

Being a devout Christian is no guarantee that you will not cheat. Integrity, morals, respect, trust & love are the cornerstones for a successful relationship and many people who are not Christian possess these qualities and have very successful marriages.

Once you cheat all of that is gone. Maybe just maybe you may trust again but integrity, morals, respect & real love for your partner will not.So as long as there is man & woman there will be cheating. There is in my opinion only 1 cure and that is D.

You are doing as good as can be expected 36. I was 26 yrs M when my EXWW decided to explore younger men. I filed D immediately, and now live happily & far away from the stench of the EXWW. Just letting you know there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

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Booyah ( member #60124) posted at 2:50 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Your wife is still a Christian even though she has sinned.

You didn't cheat on your wife (or forsake your vows), but 36 you TOO are a sinner. All of us are sinners, and always will be sinners. You however have to deal with your wife's actions (sins), which has made her someone that isn't safe for you moving forward. You didn't ask for any of this, but it isn't going away until you take action (which it sounds like you are).

Guess what, your wife, as a follower of Christ, can go to him and ask him to forgive all of her sins and he will FORGIVE her as that's what he promised (1st John 1:9). He expects you to forgive her as well, but trust me he realizes everything you've tried to do to try and fix this and he understands that your season with her in this life has come to an end.

Just because someone sins doesn't make them less of a Christian. Self righteous Christians who think they don't sin are full of BS. There's all types of sins. Some you can see, but others are mental attitude sins that nobody can see visually (judging someone, evil thoughts like plotting revenge, lust, etc).

Your wife has done some HORRIFIC things to you 36, and that's what really hurts. That someone you loved with all of your heart could do this to you.

Keep pressing forward and I ope tomorrow is better than today.

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Greeneyesbluezy ( member #58158) posted at 2:56 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Yes 36,

As a Christian we should further explore your bible quote.

I believe it will truly lead us all to a better understanding here.

Stop right there, I already don't give a fuck.

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redsox13 ( member #43391) posted at 3:25 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

I have been betrayed twice.

The first time is the one that still hurts. I was a lawyer at a large NY law firm, married to someone I went to law school with. We took every class together, studied together, and lived together. We wrote articles together, gave presentations together. It must be said we succeeded together. Neither of us came from money, and yet in my late 20's I lived on the 20th floor of what by Manhattan standards was an enormous apartment. There were summers in the Hamptons and trips to Europe.

And then she cheated on me with a partner at her law firm. That partner later became a general counsel of a large media company which has connections to a certain mouse. She was cold as ice during the divorce. Between our last night together and our divorce I never saw her. I know nothing about how the affair started. No longer able to work, I lost my job. She had me served 3 days after I was fired.

They are still together - I can see pictures of them together on instagram. Private jets, opening nights of movies and plays.

I was unemployed for 3 years, and while my ex lived the life of a rich and prominent NY wife, I moved in with my grandfather in rural Ohio. I worked at a temp job for minimum wage.

I got off the floor, fought my way back, and am by any reasonable definition very successful.

But after all these years it is the feeling of being judged that in a few bad moments cuts me to the core. The sense that the person who knew me best felt I did not measure up. That I was inadequate. Not smart enough.

That I was not worthy.

And by any reasonable measure she is right. Her betrayal of me is the foundation of her happiness.

I would later learn that it wasn't about me, but about her. She was in pain, and always had been in pain for complicated reasons outside the scope of this note.

36 I don't think all those years were a lie. You said she stayed with you when you were ill - that wasn't by accident. But I suspect when you lost your child she changed. Perhaps she wondered what is the point of faith when it doesn't protect you from something as terrible as the loss of your child.

What I do think is that you suffer from what I suffer from: the knowledge that the word is not fair. That liars and cheaters prosper.

A poet wrote

Ah, love, let us be true

To one another! for the world, which seems

To lie before us like a land of dreams,

So various, so beautiful, so new,

Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,

Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;

And we are here as on a darkling plain

Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,

Where ignorant armies clash by night.

I don't know why the world is a corrupt place. I just know it is. That is a very dangerous piece of knowledge - because if taken a certain way it can suggest that there is really no point of morality at all.

I don't believe that though. I think there is something in us that makes us desire the good. That there is beauty and joy in the world, and that while it is corrupt, the corruption does make what is true any less true.

I suspect your wife is lost. Lost in her own pain, and that pain causes a type of desperation in her.

Which means she is no longer safe.

Make sure her desperation does not take you down with her.

I apologize for the length of this.....

[This message edited by redsox13 at 9:38 PM, October 26th (Thursday)]

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Booyah ( member #60124) posted at 3:26 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Yes 36 there should be evidence of that faith, however we all have our strong points and weak points.

One person may sit there in judgment of another saying "there's no way I would ever cheat on my spouse" where that same person lusts after women countless times a day. In Christ's eyes they're both sins nor is either one of these sins worse then the other.

Your wife's actions are certainly not exhibiting her faith in Christ the way that you would like, but again it doesn't diminish the fact she does have faith despite how small it is right now or appears right now (even if it's the size of a mustard seed).

You can't fix your wife. We're all flawed. You need to lean on your faith, and ask The Lord to help guide you through this storm in your life and to build yourself back up.

Your wife is going to have to do the same, but it appears that your wife is in a place of denial and not owning her actions. It's like the alcoholic who has to finally confess the fact that they are indeed an alcoholic. Some alcoholics can get to that step others never will. As much as loved ones want them to get there it ultimately isn't up to them. It's out of their control.

Your wife is a broken woman, and only time will tell if she can be put back together. That said, she's dangerous to you in so many ways. I mean think about it, charging you with a FALSE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CHARGE and WANTING YOU DEAD? She has yet to acknowledge any of the pain that she has put on you. No remorse just "forget it and let's put it behind us"?

Take care of yourself right now 36.

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TimelessLoss ( member #55295) posted at 4:41 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Hugely insightful post from redsox13 about the human condition and viewing it from a place of despair or a place of hope.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

IMO, this is the difference between a believer ("I Agree to the TOS") and a follower of the teachings. Words versus actions. A secular equivalent might be to think of the concepts of "integrity" and "character". I use the term "concepts" because many people view them as intangible characteristics. You can't look at a person and discern their integrity. Many (most?) people would say that they possess character and integrity. It is only their actions when their integrity is tested that proves the point.

36, I see your "tome" as a healthy start of developing perspective. And wrestling with it. redsox13's post gives you as good an understanding as you'll get at this stage.

Struggling with the "why" is unfortunately part of processing grief. It does fvck with your mind.

"You've got to learn to leave the table when love is no longer being served"

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 4:50 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Tonight I had an outstanding IC session. It may have been an epiphany for me. I can't discuss it now because I need to sleep on it.

It was excellent food for thought.

As for posts that I haven't responded to get I will try to do so latet.

[This message edited by 36yearsgone at 8:18 AM, October 27th (Friday)]

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HardenMyHeart ( member #15902) posted at 5:06 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

What made her do this? What goes through a cheater’s mind? Are they thrill seekers? Are they really willing to risk everything for an affair with a piece of shit AP? What value is found in the cheating?

The OM gave her the one thing you never can, the excitement and fantasy that comes from an illicit affair. You could have been the best husband on the planet and it still would have not been good enough.

Apparently it is common for waywards to feel it is worth the risk to experience an illicit affair and the forbidden sex that comes with it. Their rational becomes, "what my spouse does not know will not hurt them". And so they delude themselves, compartmentalize, and rewrite the marital history. The affair becomes like an addiction and basic, common sense morals get thrown out like garbage. Selfishness, cheating and lies become the new normal. It doesn't matter to the WS if you're better or worse. The OM is just a warm body that seduces them with the right words; words that feed their sick ego kibble addiction. The WS rarely looks at the AP with any depth of character.

As others have said, you being a good husband was likely considered a weakness by your wife. She took you for granted and assumed she could just press the right buttons to put you back in line. Her delusions became so strong, she lost sight of reality.

You sound like a very strong person. I'm confident you will find your way out of this mess and everything will turn out fine for you. I'm so sorry you have to go through this.

By the way, I also almost become a pro bowler, but found myself in IT instead.

[This message edited by HardenMyHeart at 2:33 AM, October 27th (Friday)]

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SpaceGhost0007 ( member #46539) posted at 5:08 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

I read through your story and I am so sorry on what you are going through. The first thing I thought when it happened to me was “Why wasn’t I good enough? “ I think it’s natural to wonder that.

My question to you is your wife cheated on you before you were married and she cheated on you now.... So I have to ask how do you know she has not been cheating the whole time?

Are you sure she hasn’t been cheating the whole time? Sounds like you were traveling a lot and I traveled a little and that’s when my wife cheated.

Maybe she has been doing it so long she just thought you would keep overlooking it. You are heading in the right direction now it will take some time.

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Wool94 ( member #53300) posted at 11:48 AM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Matthew 7:22-23New Living Translation (NLT)

22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

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D-Day #2: May 21, 2016
D-Day #3: June 7, 2016
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Son 2006
Daughter 2009
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"My faith is mine now."

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 2:24 PM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Good morning all. I have hopes for a great day.

[This message edited by 36yearsgone at 8:25 AM, October 27th (Friday)]

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 2:49 PM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Hi 36,

I hope that posting your history was cathartic. I find that writing a description of things that trouble me can really help me get a better perspective on them.

Your story is fascinating, and you would be a great guy to know in ‘real life’, though in a way we do know each, just as correspondents in this forum. You must have a wealth of anecdotes from all of your travels and adventures. Have you ever considered going back into broadcasting? From what you have written here, and with your knowledge and experience of the world, I think you would make a fantastic talk radio host, particularly if your voice is so appealing that you had lots of work doing voiceovers. You are clearly a man of many talents, 36, and I think every single one of us here would be happy and proud to count you amongst our friends. If you ever decide to expand your story into a full-blown autobiography, it would be an excellent book. You have known highs and lows, and if there is one part of your story that I feel glad about, it is that this forum could be here for you when you hit your most recent low.

“I pressed the roommate and she finally told me that my fiancée was out with an ex-boyfriend. I was shocked. I saw her the next day and she initially said it was nothing. I could see in her eyes she was lying. I told her I was fairly sure “something happened.” She eventually admitted that she had sex with this guy a few times, but it was ok, because we weren’t married yet.”

What you saw there was an example of your WW rationalising cheating in a situation – engagement and the run-up to marriage – where cheating was not in any way justifiable. Your comment on that justification…

“What a crock of crap.”

…Is exactly right. However, what was obvious in your WW’s cheating ‘process’ was that instead of viewing all cheating as ‘bad’, and something not to be done, she was comfortable with it, and sought reasons to justify it. Had this forum been around then, and had you posted about that incident, the feedback would have consisted of one word: “Run”.

“We…worked together as a team when our number three son’s wife became a serial cheater. Helped him through his divorce. Discussed how ugly, ungodly, unfair and despicable is adultery and adulterers. We would never cheat. Never…Fast forward to 2017 and BOOM. She cheats with a male coworker.”

Plenty of people say one thing, then do the opposite. It is the way of the world. It is why so many posters here advise betrayed spouses to, “Listen to their actions, not their words”

“I don’t know how to be anything but a man married to the woman he thought was chosen for him. A stupid thought I know. But I don’t know how to set aside nearly four decades as a married man and transition to being a BS and single. Getting divorced has never been a phrase that entered my mind. How does this crap happen?”

The ‘how’ of it is that you take it day by day, and with every passing day the way forward will become a little clearer to you. It takes time, but people make it work, and often have very good lives after divorce. Take a look in the ‘New Beginnings’ forum to see some of their stories.

How the hell does an affair happen? Was I fooled for all those years? Have I been an absolute idiot for the past 38 years? Does a spouse wake up one morning and say, “I can do better than what I currently have in my marriage”?

An affair happens when a person gives themselves permission to cheat, by rationalising it or justifying it. Forget any of the reasons that may be given, they distract from the process that enables affairs, which is that people decide that they are comfortable enough with cheating that they decide to do it. Some may say they always felt guilty, or bad, but their desire to cheat was, quite obviously, greater than their misgivings, or the cheating would not have occurred. Do not look for any depth or profundity in the reasons for infidelity, because they are shallow, opportunistic, and lazy. Without expanding at length, I say ‘shallow’ because self-satisfaction is not a deep or profound thing, any more than greed or theft are. I say opportunistic, because many people seem to cheat when an opportunity comes along and they think they will not get caught, so they jump on it (literally). I say ‘lazy’, because if unfulfilled needs or neglect are cited as reasons to cheat, it means that the cheat has chosen an affair over doing any work to their relationship, and maybe even to themselves.

“I don’t understand any of this. I never got into pornography. I didn’t abuse alcohol or drugs. I never raised a hand in anger toward anyone in my family. I listened to my wife. If she needed me to change something, even if it was related to my career, I made the change. I provided for her. Anything she needed I gave it. Anything she wanted I did my best to deliver. I comforted her when she was sad. I rejoiced with her when she was happy.”

36, your wife did not cheat because you failed some kind of test. She cheated because she wanted to, and she thought she could get away with it, just as she did when you two were engaged. It had nothing to do with your qualities, and everything to do with hers. Her cheating was not done in revenge for some perceived failure on your part, it occurred because of a failure on her part.

“Why wasn’t I good enough? What the hell is so wrong with me that she needs to go out and find a total loser and screw his brains out for weeks? What made a criminal, a womanizer, an abuser, a con artist and an absolute asshole so much more appealing than me?”

There is nothing wrong with you! You need to re-word your questions to be:

What the hell is so wrong with her that she needs to go out and find a total loser and screw his brains out for weeks? What made a criminal, a womanizer, an abuser, a con artist and an absolute asshole appealing to her?”

Only she can answer that, but she never will.

“I am sorry for all this crap spilling out of me, but I need to understand what made me, a good and loving husband, no longer her first choice? Can someone explain that to me? I don’t understand it and I really need to get some clarification in my mind.”

36, I know that your WW once said that the POSOM was a ‘better’ man than you, but that just illustrates how messed up her values are. In reality, it seems like the majority of those who cheat do not rank or grade their significant other/spouse against their AP, they instead decide that they can have both in their lives simultaneously. There is that old saying about fidelity, “Why go out for hamburger when you have steak at home?” Well, most cheats want to have both steak and hamburger in their diet, without comparing one against the other. To compare one against the other implies that they can only have one option, when the whole premise of cheating is to have two or more options simultaneously.

It was not that the POSOM became her first choice; she wanted to have good old dependable 36 at home, paying the bills, sorting out problems, rubbing her feet….And she also decided she was entitled to have the POSOM too, not instead of you, but as well as you. And that was the situation she engineered, and which worked until you caught her. And it is the reason why she does not want to lose you, because she knows you are so much ‘better’ as a person, and so much more useful to her, than the POSOM ever will be. What she is p*ssed off about is that if the POSOM moves on (as he inevitably will), and you divorce her, she will go from being queen of the castle with two men in her life to having none. For a greedy person who feels entitled to have multiple partners in her life at any one time, regardless of the morality or ethics involved, it is unthinkable that she should come out a loser. That is why she bombards you with communications; she knows the POSOM doesn’t give a damn about her, and will go, but you serve way too many purposes for her, and are far too useful, for her to let you go without a fight. She sees herself as a winner, not a loser, and your departure would make her a loser, which is why she is so angry with you about it.

“What made her do this? What goes through a cheater’s mind? Are they thrill seekers? Are they really willing to risk everything for an affair with a piece of shit AP? What value is found in the cheating?”

To summarise what could be a very long discussion: greed, lust, entitlement, opportunity, lack of moral scruples, lack of honesty, the false sense of security that comes from the delusion that they are clever enough to not get caught, selfishness, a desire for forbidden ‘fun’…The same elements appear over and over again. As I said earlier, the biggest mistake is to look for something deep or profound in that very shallow pool.

“What did I do wrong?”

Nothing. You were a great guy when she cheated in the run-up to the wedding, and you are an even greater guy now. The ‘wrong’ is in her. That could be explored at great length, but it really does not need to be, because the answer to your question is that no betrayed spouse is cheated on for doing anything wrong. Your wife just came to take you for granted, because you are such a stand-up, reliable guy, and she thought she was smart enough to have multiple partners at the same time.

Those are my thoughts, in relation to your situation, 36. I realise that several aspects could be expanded on, but that would distract from what I see as the core truths that underlie a lot of infidelity.

And I hope that the day turns out to be as great as you hope it will be.

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thatbpguy ( member #58540) posted at 2:55 PM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Good morning all. I have hopes for a great day.

Good morning.

I am sure your hopes will be fulfilled.

Sometimes a little talk (IC) and some sleep can do wonders for a person.

ME: BH Her: WW DDay 1, R; DDay 2, R; DDay 3, I left; Divorced Remarried to a wonderful woman

"There are far, far better things ahead than any we leave behind." C.S. Lewis

As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly...

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Catwoman ( member #1330) posted at 3:17 PM on Friday, October 27th, 2017

Good morning all. I have hopes for a great day.

Make it so.

Cat

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