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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 5:28 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

I hope this tome is cathartic for me:

I met my soon-to-be-ex-wife in December of 1979. I was twenty, she was eighteen. I had come out of a bad relationship two years earlier and was so shell shocked I had pretty much sworn off women and relationships for quite a long time.

I was studying for a computer science degree. In my spare time I exercised like a fanatic and I bowled. Man, did I bowl. For a brief period of time I had decided that if my education didn’t work out I would become a professional bowler. I was good, but never quite good enough to proceed beyond being an amateur.

I had been in a fairly dark place after my teenage breakup, but shortly after I turned 19 I discovered my faith. It really changed my life. I went from a wild child to a much better life. Meanwhile, back to the bowling…

I was bowling in several leagues each week and met this young woman who worked at the bowling alley. She had just graduated from high school a few months previous. She was very nice and it became obvious that she was attracted to me. We were both Christians, shared many things in common except that I was not attracted to her at all. I just wasn’t interested in getting involved in anything more than a nice discussion over a cup of coffee or a coke.

In my new found faith I had prayed and basically told God that I was not going to look for a mate. That if I was ever going to have a future with a woman He was going to have to bring her to me and make it evident that she was the one.

One night while I was bowling the girl who liked me showed up and said she had brought a girlfriend of hers with her. This friend was also a Christian and she thought the three of us could go out to a diner for coffee after I finished bowling. I said sure. She said, ok, I’ll be standing over there next to her. She pointed on the other side of the check-in counter and there was the most stunningly beautiful girl I had ever seen. She had long blonde hair, a gorgeous smile and the most beautiful eyes I had ever seen. I heard a little voice inside me say, “Your prayer has been answered. She’s the one.”

Being a typical male I decided I had to do something big to impress her. So I bowled like a madman and had the best three game series of my life. Yup, typical male strutting.

Now, I realized that the voice in my head may have come from me. After all, she was absolutely stunning. So I decided to remain aloof. I was introduced to the beautiful girl and soon discovered she had amazing qualities. She was everything I wanted in a woman.

The three of us went out to eat and had an amazing time. The bowling alley girl eventually grew tired of the situation and suggested that her friend catch a ride home, apparently so the two of us could be alone. That’s when I piped up and said, “I’ll take her home.”

The ride to her house, about 15 miles away was magical. But still, I questioned the voice in my head and thought this probably isn’t real; this is a brief infatuation and nothing further will come of it. But on the ride to her house she reached over and touched my hand and said, “I believe we are going to know each other for a very long time.”

My response? I shrugged and said, “That’s nice.” I was afraid of getting involved so I clammed up and became a man of very few words. I dropped her off, we exchanged phone numbers and she gave me a quick peck on the cheek. I headed home. Ten minutes after I got to my place the phone rang. It was about 10:30 at night. We talked until four in the morning. This went on for weeks. She was beautiful, charming, well-spoken, interesting, and friendly and made it quite clear that she liked me. She told me one night that she believed we were going to get married. Wow.

We started dating in earnest. Several months later I asked her to marry me. She said yes and we (she) began to plan our wedding. A few months after the proposal I stopped by her apartment and she was not there. Her roommate said she was out. This was a surprise to me as we were supposed to go out together that evening. I pressed the roommate and she finally told me that my fiancée was out with an ex-boyfriend. I was shocked.

I saw her the next day and she initially said it was nothing. I could see in her eyes she was lying. I told her I was fairly sure “something happened.” She eventually admitted that she had sex with this guy a few times, but it was ok, because we weren’t married yet. What a crock of crap.

I should’ve ended the engagement right there, but she eventually apologized and swore it would never happen again. I relented on cancelling the marriage and in December of 1981 we got married.

We honeymooned for two weeks in Hawaii. Life was good.

Ten months later our first son was born. I got to deliver him and I was ecstatic. So was she. There is something absolutely amazing about being part of the conception and birth of your child. I was happy, excited and scared as I held my son. I wept. Thirteen months later we had another son. Three years after that a third one and another two years later a fourth. For boys. I was a proud father, a proud husband and a man looking forward to the future.

As I finished my education, one of the things that frustrated me was that technology was growing so fast that everything I had learned was almost instantly obsolete. I had worked on main frames and programmed systems using the old IB card method. What a pain in the ass. Then PCs came along and the world never looked back. Back in the early days, a majority of the I.T. jobs were with governmental agencies. I really didn’t want to work for the government so I thought I would continue my education as time allowed but switch careers.

I began getting involved with voice work in radio and some television. I made lots of commercials, and fairly good money, but I wanted to do something more interesting. I made a near complete break I.T. and started doing talk radio in a smaller community. This brought me lot of opportunities and we soon moved from the small town to a major metropolitan area in a top 25 market and from there we moved to an even bigger city with even greater opportunities. I started making big money and enjoyed the benefits of the celebrity life for a while. I got to travel the world. I did broadcasts from Russia, Finland, Germany, and Romania and basically all the places I had dreamed of visiting. My travel schedule began taking a toll on our marriage. I was gone for long stretches of time and my wife was a SAHM with four little boys to take care of on a daily basis.

I had spent a few weeks in Romania and the Ukraine and when I got home my wife and I had a conversation about responsibilities and the need for me to spend more time with her and the boys. I agreed and cancelled future travel. Eventually I decided to leave talk radio and go back to I.T. I began to do consulting work.

The consulting work was going pretty well. I was making about half of what I made in my previous profession, but we were happy. I was home much of the time, enjoying my kids, loving my wife and living a good life. But then something started to happen.

One of the things that had made me successful in talk radio was an excellent memory. I could recite names, dates, facts and figures with remarkable accuracy. I had a near photographic memory, but suddenly I was beginning to forget things. It was even beyond forgetfulness. Whole periods of my life were disappearing from my mind.

I knew I was in real trouble on the day I was driving over to see a friend of mine. I had been two his house a hundred times. But this time something was severely wrong. I stopped at a traffic light and couldn’t remember how to get to his house. I was stuck. I called my friend, read him the street signs at the intersection and he gave me instructions turn by turn to his home a quarter mile away.

The next day I couldn’t remember my wife’s name or any of my children. It was horrible and frightening. My wife took me to the emergency room and I was diagnosed with an illness that was wreaking havoc on my brain. We went through three years of absolute hell for me. I’m sure it was very difficult for my wife as well. Thankfully we had a large nest egg and we used it to get through the times when I could not work. My wife told me later that I was so bad off I would it in my room watching a television that did not exist and then comment on all the imaginary shows I was seeing. Horrible.

I slowly began to get better, but had an absolute fear of going anywhere in public. I would be out with my wife and fans of my former talk show would recognize my voice and come up and say hello and begin talking to me. They would mention shows I had done or public appearances I made and ask my thoughts on certain things. But I could remember none of it and it scared me to death. Life for me was a living hell. But we got through it.

After I recovered I contracted with the most well-known software company in the world and slowly made my way back. We were doing well again, but I was still missing a big chunk from my life. However, my wife and I grew closer and things were progressing well for our family. I loved her more than ever.

We decided we needed a change so we moved to another state in 2003. We were now living closer to the area where we both grew up. We had extended family and friends. I started doing more IT consulting and set up many of my clients so I could manage all their systems remotely. That cut down on my travel. My wife and I were closer than ever before.

In 2005 one of my children was arrested for a DUI. He had “borrowed” my car in the middle of the night, shortly after his 21st birthday and decided to go buy some booze to celebrate. He celebrated so much that he totaled my car. I got a call from my son at 6:00 on the morning, shortly after I realized my car was missing. He said, “Dad, um, I sort of got arrested a few hours ago for drunk driving. They towed your car away.”

I have to admit I was pissed. Of course they towed my new car away. He got drunk and decided it was a good idea to drive across the desert. He destroyed the entire under carriage. But thankfully he was unhurt.

Anyway, we dealt with that as a family. My son was a very gifted young man. Highly intelligent, an extremely gifted musician, but he began to drink more after his arrest. He went through several bouts of depression and self-harm until his death in 2013. I don’t know how we recovered from that.

Realizing that after losing a child many marriages end in divorce, my wife and I poured ourselves into our marriage. We clung to each other. We loved each other. We focused on intimacy. We moved from the location where our son had died. I devoted myself to her and to help us both get through the grieving process.

We found a new church, got actively involved, led and taught home groups. Worked together as a team when our number three son’s wife became a serial cheater. Helped him through his divorce. Discussed how ugly, ungodly, unfair and despicable is adultery and adulterers. We would never cheat. Never.

Fast forward to 2017 and BOOM. She cheats with a male coworker. A man that is so beneath who I thought my wife was to be unthinkable as an OM. But cheat she did.

So here I am. Getting a divorce. Cathartically writing out a brief history. Leaving out many wonderful details and a few sad moments. How in the hell did I get here?

I don’t know how to be anything but a man married to the woman he thought was chosen for him. A stupid thought I know. But I don’t know how to set aside nearly four decades as a married man and transition to being a BS and single. Getting divorced has never been a phrase that entered my mind. How does this crap happen?

We had a life of mostly good memories. We were a team. We loved each other and were devoted to one another. How the hell does and affair happen? Was I fooled for all those years? Have I been an absolute idiot for the past 38 years? Does a spouse wake up one morning and say, “I can do better than what I currently have in my marriage”?

I don’t understand any of this. I never got into pornography. I didn’t abuse alcohol or drugs. I never raised a hand in anger toward anyone in my family. I listened to my wife. If she needed me to change something, even if it was related to my career, I made the change. I provided for her. Anything she needed I gave it. Anything she wanted I did my best to deliver. I comforted her when she was sad. I rejoiced with her when she was happy. She also did many positive things for me. She was a great wife, until now.

Why wasn’t I good enough? What the hell is so wrong with me that she needs to go out and find a total loser and screw his brains out for weeks? What made a criminal, a womanizer, an abuser, a con artist and an absolute asshole so much more appealing than me?

I am sorry for all this crap spilling out of me, but I need to understand what made me, a good and loving husband, no longer her first choice? Can someone explain that to me? I don’t understand it and I really need to get some clarification in my mind.

What made her do this? What goes through a cheater’s mind? Are they thrill seekers? Are they really willing to risk everything for an affair with a piece of shit AP? What value is found in the cheating?

As you can see I am still in shock and disbelief over this whole crappy situation. I thought writing it down and seeking for some answers hidden in the past might reveal a motive or a personal failing of mine. But I’m still not seeing the light through all the shit.

Can someone please help me navigate through this nightmare of thoughts? What did I do wrong? I feel as bad and depressed as when I got sick so many years ago.

[This message edited by 36yearsgone at 11:28 AM, October 26th (Thursday)]

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scorpio6 ( member #59917) posted at 5:49 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

You are never going to get the answer on what you did wrong - because you didn't do anything wrong. Your WW's cheating is completely on her. Her brokenness, not you!

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1survivor ( member #49999) posted at 6:16 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

36 , I am sorry for your predicament. It totally sucks. You have done nothing wrong. Nothing. As married people it is our responsibility to uphold and respect our marriage vows. To do this we have to protect our boundaries. This is where "forsaking all others" comes in to play. People test boundries all the time . It's up to us to shoot them down . Obviously this didn't happen. Your wife chose her own selfishness over her marriage . She either thought she could get away with it, didn't think about it, was in La la land, the fog ,whatever, but she chose to be selfish. I guess the simple reason is she was selfish.

Evidently she worked in an environment that was toxic to the marriage and adultery ran rampant. Instead of taking a stand and tell you what is going on and quits her job she decides to become part of it. Pretty disgraceful for a professing Christian actually. Ephesians 5:11 says not to particpate in unfruitful deeds, but even expose them.

Keep your head up and stay strong.

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harrybrown ( member #59225) posted at 6:33 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

you will never get the why of why she did this.

It has nothing to do with you, but destroy you.

She is selfish and she is not remorseful.

She has not really changed since before she married you.

She is selfish and she wanted to have sex with the OM.

Sorry for your pain. I was reading some thoughts on affair recovery today about grief and going thru grief.

Hope you get an appointment with your IC soon.

But you can do this. You can get help and move on in your life.

She did this and she really messed up. the OM is just a player, he did not care for her, he just wanted sex with any female.

She still is not remorseful. Hope the catwoman gives you her thoughts soon.

The problem is not with you. the problem is with her.

any contact with your kids? tell them the truth. and hope you tell the husband of the couple about the truth.

It will help to get the word out there.

Hope you can have today be a good day.

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Booyah ( member #60124) posted at 6:39 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

So she cheated on you in the past, and when you confronted her she says, "it's ok...we weren't married"?

Interesting.

Same whacked out logic.

You're going to drive yourself crazy trying to figure out the "why".

I would just keep looking forward. There's a reason the front window in a car is bigger than the rear view mirror. What's in front of you is more important than what's behind you.

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Dobby ( member #50027) posted at 6:40 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

Why wasn’t I good enough? What the hell is so wrong with me that she needs to go out and find a total loser and screw his brains out for weeks? What made a criminal, a womanizer, an abuser, a con artist and an absolute asshole so much more appealing than me?

It had nothing to do with you, you were not the problem, she is. There's nothing you could have done to change this whether you were the perfect husband and biggest asshole. This is 100% her fault.

What made her do this? What goes through a cheater’s mind? Are they thrill seekers? Are they really willing to risk everything for an affair with a piece of shit AP? What value is found in the cheating?

Don't waste your time trying to find the "why", in the end it doesn't matter nor will it change anything, it is what it is. The real answer is "she wanted to", its that simple.

In a couple of years from now this will be a story you'll tell people but you'll most likely won't care too much by then and will have other things to worry about. You will get past this, we all do.

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thatbpguy ( member #58540) posted at 7:02 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

Ya know, 36yearsgone, I could have written your last post when my X sold herself to a rich man. She was a devout and deeply moral women. Blasted men who hit on her (very beautiful woman)... I was head deacon at a large church and spoke in camps and filled in for pastors... Oh! I was a pro bowler for a couple of years (bowled with Marshall Holman). My life crashed and burned in ways I never knew one could even imagine.

Anger, depression, questioning faith.... went to the depths of hell and back. Back as a different person. I attend church but am not active in any way. Dropped out of all the study groups and so forth.

From a Christian perspective, "our help comes from the Lord...". Your strength, your perseverance... all of it.

As to how this could happen, I will answer it this way... Jeremiah 17: 9, 10 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

Take some time. Time to get past the rage, the questioning... and then I would suggest seeing what your wife has to say. Give her a chance for months to go by and then give a full accounting as to why & how. Perhaps you will find some way to try and R. or perhaps not. I'm not going to get into a theological discussion about D here, but if you care to PM me I will offer my thoughts.

ME: BH Her: WW DDay 1, R; DDay 2, R; DDay 3, I left; Divorced Remarried to a wonderful woman

"There are far, far better things ahead than any we leave behind." C.S. Lewis

As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly...

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 7:14 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

Pretty disgraceful for a professing Christian actually.

A Bible believing, professing Christian indeed. To Most Christians the Bible is like a software license. They don't actually read it; they just scroll to the bottom and click "I Agree."

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ISurvived7734 ( member #60205) posted at 8:06 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

I don’t understand any of this. I never got into pornography. I didn’t abuse alcohol or drugs. I never raised a hand in anger toward anyone in my family. I listened to my wife. If she needed me to change something, even if it was related to my career, I made the change. I provided for her. Anything she needed I gave it. Anything she wanted I did my best to deliver. I comforted her when she was sad. I rejoiced with her when she was happy. She also did many positive things for me. She was a great wife, until now.

I totally understand that you are just venting here, that these questions are academic, but I want to offer a partial answer. All the positive things about you and how you live your life don't give you a pass on the reality of life. A very prominent shrink, M. Scott Peck, wrote:

“Life is difficult. This is a great truth, one of the greatest truths. ... Once we truly know that life is difficult-once we truly understand and accept it-then life is no longer difficult. Because once it is accepted, the fact that life is difficult no longer matters.”

So, again, I know that you are venting here but I would also bet that somewhere in your mind you believe that you don't deserve the outcome you are looking at now. Of course you don't but, well, life is difficult.

Another truth here is that it is very difficult for people to look into the future and see positive change. Most of would choose "the devil we know" because it feels safer. So, moving forward with confidence is going to require a leap of faith on your part. Things can be better and you have to believe that and push forward. It's difficult, it's scary, and you might have to fake it for a while but I'm sure that you will come through this faster and better than you can imagine right now.



"I always look both ways when crossing a one-way street. That's how much faith I have in humanity..."

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 8:10 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

Well put.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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Catwoman ( member #1330) posted at 8:42 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

Why wasn’t I good enough? What the hell is so wrong with me that she needs to go out and find a total loser and screw his brains out for weeks? What made a criminal, a womanizer, an abuser, a con artist and an absolute asshole so much more appealing than me?

This is what I call the "rabbit hole" of believing that our behavior, or what we do or do not do, influences whether or not someone chooses to commit adultery.

Fact is, it doesn't. There's no such thing as "affair proofing" a marriage, although there's quite the industry around the hoops the BS should be jumping through to "make the marriage a good place" and all that nonsense. It's malarkey, all of it. Every last bit.

Nothing you did or did not do or should have done had nothing to do with her decision to go outside your relationship.

What made her do this? What goes through a cheater’s mind? Are they thrill seekers? Are they really willing to risk everything for an affair with a piece of shit AP? What value is found in the cheating?

This is why the WS "getting to the why" is so important. They need to understand their own motivations.

Let me share with you what I know about my ex's whys. Ex is diagnosed NPD, which means we start out with feeling entitled. It also means we have very low self-esteem, and are quite susceptible to attention being given. In fact, one of our MCs told him that he gave off an "available" vibe.

He also had issues with intimacy. Not sex--intimacy. He had trouble sharing his full self with ANYONE. So having an affair was his way of not having to share his most intimate self with one person. He could share some here and share some there. Of course, he was also getting the ego kibbles he craved and the thrill of doing something illicit--something that disordered people often seek out to their own detriment.

Do you see how this is all his issue and not mine?

I don’t know how to be anything but a man married to the woman he thought was chosen for him. A stupid thought I know. But I don’t know how to set aside nearly four decades as a married man and transition to being a BS and single. Getting divorced has never been a phrase that entered my mind. How does this crap happen?

Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, had an interesting observation about her life crashing like a ton of bricks (mostly due to her decisions and choices, I might add). She said it was the "pain of being re-born."

That's what you're going through right now: the pain of being re-born. Re-born into a new life. Not one you chose, unfortunately, but one that you can make your own. Like everything, it's a process, and you will have days where you are positive and days where you are not.

It's not easy shedding a familiar life for the unknown. That's why IC is helpful, as well as cultivating or reviving healthy pastimes.

One part of the process is coming to grips with and understanding that the person you married IS the person who could do these things. So many of us "spackled" over some pretty egregious issues with our WSs, and once we started to see clearly, we could see that they were in need of a great deal of work on themselves.

With my ex, the grandiose sense of entitlement was always there. I just never saw it for what it actually was and is. He would brag about fudging expense reports--I didn't see it as an honesty problem (although I should).

I remember years ago in therapy he got really upset with me because I said that if I needed to make a long-distance call at work, I used my calling card vs. calling on the company dime (obviously, this was long before cell phones). He asked over and over. I see it now for what it is--not understanding what it's like to be honest and trying to bring me down to his level or (better yet) beneath his level.

A few years ago, I asked him why he was so angry (this was back when we talked occasionally--we no longer speak). He said "Because you're doing BETTER than me!" It struck me that it was always a competition with him. Always.

He was never going to be a decent partner.

You'll get there. Trust us. And if by some miracle she gets herself into therapy and starts figuring things out and shows over a long period of time that she's making changes that will stick (a minimum of a year, 36--A YEAR), you can always contemplate a relationship with her again. As I've been saying, you're not doing something that can't be undone. But you are doing what is needed to GET OUT OF INFIDELITY.

Cat

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 8:51 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

I'm a big Joseph Campbell fan.

Searching for the meaning of life stuff, we have to understand that basically life sucks. Bad things happen to good people for no good reason at all. Religion aside, there are tragedies and injustices where ever you look, this is just the way of the world. The world will never really change, but can find your bliss.

Participate joyfully in the sorrows of the world. We cannot cure the world of sorrows, but we can choose to live in joy.

Joseph Campbell

one more favorite:

The big question is whether you are going to be able to say a hearty yes to your adventure.

Joseph Campbell

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Michigan ( member #58005) posted at 9:21 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

I don’t understand any of this. I never got into pornography. I didn’t abuse alcohol or drugs. I never raised a hand in anger toward anyone in my family. I listened to my wife. If she needed me to change something, even if it was related to my career, I made the change. I provided for her. Anything she needed I gave it. Anything she wanted I did my best to deliver.

36yearsgone

Ironically very good behavior can be a negative. You were so solid and dependable that she took you for granted. She expected that the sun would continue to come up in the east no matter what happened.

She said yes and we (she) began to plan our wedding.

36yearsgone

If there was ever a time that you don’t have an affair it’s when you’re planning your wedding. You should be more resistant to temptation then than at any time during your entire marriage.

A few months after the proposal I stopped by her apartment and she was not there. Her roommate said she was out. This was a surprise to me as we were supposed to go out together that evening. I pressed the roommate and she finally told me that my fiancée was out with an ex-boyfriend. I was shocked.

I saw her the next day and she initially said it was nothing. I could see in her eyes she was lying. I told her I was fairly sure “something happened.” She eventually admitted that she had sex with this guy a few times, but it was ok, because we weren’t married yet. What a crock of crap.

36yearsgone

I comforted her when she was sad. I rejoiced with her when she was happy. She also did many positive things for me. She was a great wife, until now.

36yearsgone

She stands you up for a date to have sex with her old boyfriend and you still marry her. Not only that but you’re eager to treat her like a queen. No wonder she assumed that you would forgive her affair.

People project their character on others. You would never dream of cheating on your spouse even if the marriage was only half as good as you describe. She doesn’t have your character.

She may have many good qualities but she just doesn't see the sex act as a big deal and apparently never did. It’s like shaking hands. That’s the bottom line and that’s what you can’t get your head wrapped around.

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Greeneyesbluezy ( member #58158) posted at 9:31 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

36,

It’s really crazy how your life story has been surrounded by such Godless Christians.

Stop right there, I already don't give a fuck.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 9:52 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

36,

Part of you finding firm ground underneath your feet is that all these swirling emotions and thoughts are going to settle down.

You have gone through the death of a child. That is significantly worse than infidelity. I can only imagine the strength that you needed to do to get beyond that. You have that strength and you will find it again.

All I can promise you is that in four weeks this little period of time will seem like a dark memory. Stuff will still be very hard, but you will begin to settle.

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 9:53 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

It’s really crazy how your life story has been surrounded by such Godless Christians.

I don't think that's entirely true. I've also known some incredible Christians and some incredible non-Christians as well.

My feeling of consternation is that how can a person claim to be a believer and not practice what they believe? Whether Christian or non-Christian, if you stand up and confirm your marital vows in front of witnesses, shouldn't those vows mean something?

There's a passage in James 1:22 that says:

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

To me that means something. To others it is rejected.

My WW seems to be one of those hearers without the doing part. She still proclaims that she is a godly woman. I say her actions speak louder than her words.

{This section was removed because it sounded snarky. My apologies.}

[This message edited by 36yearsgone at 4:13 PM, October 26th (Thursday)]

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 10:03 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

36,

I took Greeneyesbluezy comment as I'm sure it was intended, sincere and empathetic.

"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 10:11 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

I took Greeneyesbluezy comment as I'm sure it was intended, sincere and empathetic.

I had a feeling I was being overly sensitive today. Please accept my apologies.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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xhz700 ( member #44394) posted at 10:21 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

Not to get too far off topic, but I have zero faith in anyone of faith, simply because they are a person of faith.

See: Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen

Behold! The field in which I grow my fucks.

Lay thine eyes upon it, and thou shalt see that it is barren.

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 10:29 PM on Thursday, October 26th, 2017

Not to get too far off topic, but I have zero faith in anyone of faith, simply because they are a person of faith.

See: Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen

Understandable.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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