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Marriagesucks ( member #46828) posted at 11:52 PM on Tuesday, October 24th, 2017

I've been on the other side of the table involved in friends marriage disputes before and it NEVER works out the way you think you planned. Nobody leaves the table happy like they just won the lottery. Everybody ends up feeling like they've been pressured. Any kind of mediation is best left for the experts if that is what you want.

You say these friends that want to counsel you are friends of the family? You're sure that their not more your WW friends than yours? You're doing your thinking with your heart right now and it is certainly not up to par at the moment. No good can come from this dinner date. At best you get ulcerated... at worse your in jail. You know the story that's been spun up for your mutual friends benifit will be... how she made a mistake and bla, bla,bla... how your throwing away 36 years and wont give her a second chance (as huge crocodile tears flow down her cheeks). Unless you are very, very, very good at holding your emotions in check...your going to end up looking like an ass to your friends. How do you think they are going to react when the red eyes and waterworks start up from your WW? For that matter how are you going to feel when your choking down bile? If you insist on going at the very least have a VAR in your pocket and set to record. At this stage your setting yourself up for a fail.

Good luck on whatever you decide to do.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

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TimelessLoss ( member #55295) posted at 12:48 AM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

Your counseling need to come from a trained professional. Counselors are emotionally detached. They have an ethical standard of care for the client. Their only interest is a healthier you. That is the goal.

36, it appears you are in communication with some people. How are you handling which to listen to and those to answer and those to NC? Is your STBX blocked?

You need a support system IRL. Who is that now? The couple and the "nice" lady have reached out to you. Have you reached out to anyone? You described the cop as a friend. He knows more about you sitch than anyone is seems.

You haven't posted about a support system. I could conclude that you don't have one. If that is true then you are isolated. And therefore vulnerable to anyone.

I get that you needed to get away for the 4-5 day weekend from the inferno you were in after she was served. That was a good move.

However, what if it becomes a pattern of you isolating yourself? That is why I don't agree with your going on a cruise if it is driven by a need to withdraw.

Find a social meet up group that hikes. Join an outdoor club that maintains hiking trails. If you do not have a social circle outside of work develop one. Start volunteering this weekend. Give to others. You will get back more than you give.

Ramp up IC for personal care and communicate with your doc if the meds haven't kicked in yet. It can take weeks, however your doc can also tweak it now. It can take time to get it dialed in.

"You've got to learn to leave the table when love is no longer being served"

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GotTheTshirtToo ( member #51377) posted at 12:50 AM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

BS ONLY

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 1:17 AM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

I canceled the dinner meeting.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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RubixCubed ( member #51615) posted at 1:26 AM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

I canceled the dinner meeting.

Great call. What were your friends reply when you declined? You might be able to deduce a few things from their tone.

You just dodged a serious bullet. Congrats.

[This message edited by RubixCubed at 7:27 PM, October 24th (Tuesday)]

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WorldTraveler23 ( member #36528) posted at 4:05 AM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

36, been following your thread. Two quick comments since I’m on my phone:

1) you need to reframe the caretaker bit. You are still the same man and you get to stay a caring person. But right now the person who needs that care is YOU. Don’t think of it as being mean to her, realise that it’s just turning the care and protection on yourself (and by extension your children).

2) you will never again date a cheater. And amen for that. Sadly your wife is now in that group. When you feel the tug to work things out, and you will because of course you will, I hope you can take care of yourself. No dating cheaters.

Best to you!

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Everychance ( member #60698) posted at 5:48 AM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

You know what 36. You are an inspiration. Just when it looks like you will fall back into infidelity you rise to defeat the beast despite unimaginable agony and heartache. I'm only new to this betrayal world too, from everything I have read on this site I reckon when it comes to being betrayed, it's not what happens to you it's how you deal with it that matters. In the end we don't have any choice other than to move forward, and with all the amazing advice you are getting here (especially from Cat and 1965) you are definitely heading to happiness even though it doesn't feel like that right now. Keep your chin up, sending you all the strength you need

Me - BW
Married 26 years
Surviving Infidelity is a journey not a destination.

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 5:54 AM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

Good fold on the dinner. Any indication thats this was the WW's idea? What do you think her next angle will be?

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"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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CanoeVA ( member #46071) posted at 1:09 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

I canceled the dinner meeting.

This, you won't regret.

Now... if the couple is truly well-meaning, it may do your soul good to have coffee with just the husband. Don't mention this site, but do give him insight on your list of injuries. Real life support is a nice thing to have. That dinner was an ambush. No reason for WW to be there. Good luck.

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Married 1986
DDay- 12/08/14
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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 1:45 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

36,

I think that you made the right decision to cancel the dinner meeting. I know that many thoughts, hopes, and needs must have been compelling you to go, but as someone recently wrote in a thread, the ‘right’ actions to take that will help us get out if infidelity are often counter-intuitive and not what our emotions tell us to do.

It can be hugely difficult to do something because your head knows it is ‘right’, when your emotions are pushing you in the opposite direction. My heart goes out to you, because I know what a struggle you went through to reach the point of cancelling the dinner. And I know that we can make a long list of why it was the right thing to do, and you might agree with every point, but I am willing to bet that it still hurt like hell to cancel. You demonstrated huge strength in doing that, 36, and I hope you feel a little less vulnerable for doing it, even if it may not feel like a personal victory right now.

If I were in your shoes, I know that I would have been tempted to go to that dinner to see if my WW was going to give me the much-needed validation that would come from her recognising my pain, and taking ownership of the huge wrong that she had done to me, after weeks of minimising it and telling me to just shut up and let it go. As if my pain, and the damage to my life, are of so little consequence, and such little importance, that they do not merit recognition, remorse, or anything remotely like an apology or actions to support me and help me heal. In short, to be shown the respect and compassion that any human being deserves, from the person who had done so much to make me feel worthless and unimportant. To have the person who smashed me down apologise, show true remorse, and make the effort to build me back up again.

We all need that validation, and perhaps it leaves us feeling weak and vulnerable if we look to the very person who broke us down for just an ounce of recognition that our pain matters, that we matter, and that we did not deserve the horrible things that were done to us. To be shown love, mercy, and compassion when we so desperately need it, and which should, if there was any justice in the world, come from the same person who inflicted the grievous wounds on us. To soothe the urge we feel, even in our broken state, to get in their face and shout, “You really f*cking hurt me, don’t you dare treat me like that doesn’t matter! Make the effort, do me that justice, show me that respect! You broke me, you f*cking fix me! Acknowledge that I matter, goddammit!”

Yes, we do need that validation, don’t we? It can be so significant to us that its absence can make us feel worthless and lost, but sometimes we despise ourselves for how much we need it. And I might be wrong, but maybe you were hoping that your wife would give you just a little of that validation if that other couple was there. That she would not be as dismissive and heartless as she has been when it is just the two of you talking. It is hard not to hope, sometimes, isn’t it? I think many people here will sympathise with you on that score.

However…The likely reality was spelt out in one post after another. As much as you need your pain to be recognised, validated, and treated with the love and respect it merits, I think you would have been sorely disappointed if you had gone to that dinner with the hope of that redemption in your heart. You completely deserve it, that goes without saying, but I was very afraid that if you went, it would have degenerated into a vehicle for your wife to put on a performance about how badly hurt and traumatised she is, and how you should take her needs into account and stop being so cruel to her.

If that happened, it would have been the total opposite of what you need, and the total opposite of what the real situation is. That is why, although you struggled with the decision, I felt a huge wave or relief when you finally cancelled the dinner. Your feelings are raw, your emotions are bruised, and the last thing you need right now is to switch your emotional firewall off and put yourself through gruelling endurance tests like that dinner. Anything that is instigated by your wife will be designed to benefit her, not you, and I think you might have come away from that dinner absolutely reeling from the skewed, warped version of reality that your wife would have presented.

You have a plan for getting yourself out of infidelity, 36, and that should be your goal as you move forwards. Your wife may try to sabotage that, or distract you from it, but that will just land you right back where you were, mired in infidelity and dishonesty. You deserve so much better than that, and your plan, and the steps you have begun taking, are the way to break out of the bad place where you have been trapped.

It may be a hard journey, but it is the most important journey of your life, and one that is vital to make for the sake of your long-term well-being and happiness. It is such a release when we finally reach that point of liberation, and we no longer need validation from the person who beat us to a pulp. When we become self-validating, and we recognise our own worth, our own value, our own goodness.

That is the real journey that you are on, 36, and you are doing better than you think you are, because this early stage is always the hardest. And you are not walking alone; many of us are walking with you, in spirit, and we are here for you any time you need us, hour by hour, day by day.

Be good to yourself, 36, and our thoughts are with you.

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 2:29 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

However…The likely reality was spelt out in one post after another. As much as you need your pain to be recognised, validated, and treated with the love and respect it merits, I think you would have been sorely disappointed if you had gone to that dinner with the hope of that redemption in your heart. You completely deserve it, that goes without saying, but I was very afraid that if you went, it would have degenerated into a vehicle for your wife to put on a performance about how badly hurt and traumatised she is, and how you should take her needs into account and stop being so cruel to her.

We, as SI, are fortunate to have members like M1965 that can post our collective thoughts as eloquently and clearly as he does.

What he said.

"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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Catwoman ( member #1330) posted at 2:43 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

M1965 nailed it.

It might help to visualize your WW as a dry well. However many times you dip your bucket, all you're going to get is mud and slime instead of the cool and refreshing water you need.

Other wells (SI, work, friends, family) WILL provide you with the refreshing water you need.

That's where your efforts should be.

Cat

FBS: Married 20 years, 2 daughters 27 and 24. Divorced by the grace of GOD.
D-Days: 2/23/93; 10/11/97; 3/5/03
Ex & OW Broke up 12-10
"An erection does not count as personal growth."

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harrybrown ( member #59225) posted at 2:57 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

36

you made another great decision!

keep up the good journey out of infidelity.

Keep listening to Catwoman. I like her posts and advice for you.

hope you can contact one of your kids for some moral support.

It would be a good idea to get your side of the story out there to the husband of the couple.

Hope today is a better day than yesterday.

You are doing quite well for the horrible situation that your stbxww threw at you.

do you have an IC that you could talk to about her affair and your self -esteem?

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 3:29 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

Twisted

Good fold on the dinner. Any indication thats this was the WW's idea? What do you think her next angle will be?

This was allegedly the couple's idea, not my ww's idea. As for her next angle...I haven't a clue.

We, as SI, are fortunate to have members like M1965 that can post our collective thoughts as eloquently and clearly as he does.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Harry brown

do you have an IC that you could talk to about her affair and your self -esteem?

Yes, I do.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 4:05 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

I made a mistake last night.

After cancelling the dinner meeting I went looking at some places to rent. After driving for a while I decided to stop by the OM's house to peacefully and kindly ask him a couple of questions. Bad mistake.

I knocked on his door and a woman answered. She said she wasn't sure he was there. She went to look, returned and said he wasn't home. I politely thanked her, told her my name, and said tell OM that the husband of the wife he was screwing stopped by.

I left. About four hours later I get a phone call from a restricted number. It's the local police. The OM contacted them, as well as the boss lady (allegedly) from the company he works for, and made a complaint of harassment.

The detective asked if he could stop by and interview me. I declined the offer. He then said the OM claims "you are harassing him because you think he was having sex with your wife. Would you consent to an interview to get your side of the story?"

I declined to speak with him. He then went on with, "I'd just like to hear your side of the story."

I declined but offered to have my lawyer contact him. He pressed again. I politely declined and asked for a phone number to give me lawyer...

I have decided I need to take a step back from all this. I am no longer going to contact anyone related to this sequence of events. I will leave that to the professionals.

This whole thing has been very draining. I don't believe I have had anything more serious than traffic tickets during my life. Yet within the past few weeks I have had 5 separate police encounters.

I am absolutely exhausted. My brain feels like it isn't working. My thought processes are fuzzy at best. I cannot adequately address these problems on my own. I feel like I am in a trauma induced coma from which I can't seem to awaken.

I no longer want to have contact with any of these people. Why should I give a damn about the totally fucked up crap going on in my WW's former place of business? I am done. The time has come for me to just simply walk away, move on with my life and stop feeling and acting like an idiot.

I apologize if this disappoints some of you, but this has become so overwhelming for me that I haven't been able to think about anything other than the shit sandwich I have been served. I don't like eating shit. Therefore, I am pushing away from the table to look for a better place to dine.

There is something else I find disturbing. Read through this post and count the number of times I've used the word "I". It's disgusting, pathetic and disturbing. It's too much of the me, me, me, me bullshit.

The antidepressants still don't work. I think I am going to stop taking them. Exercise and a better diet will probably be more effective. There has to be a more effective way to turn off one's memory. I wish I could sleep.

Another rambling post. Sorry.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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Catwoman ( member #1330) posted at 4:14 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

I made a mistake last night.

Yep.

If it is any comfort to you, I called one of the OW and asked her to cease and desist. I was very polite and made no threats. She hired an attorney to write to me to tell me to leave her alone. ONE phone call. So I took the letter to my attorney (I had filed for divorce) and my attorney told me, "Don't worry. I'm sure the judge is going to be VERY interested to hear just WHY that phone call was made."

So while this probably isn't going to come back to bite you, it's probably not a good idea to associate with ANY of the players in this sordid little scenario.

Amping the exercise and eating well will do a world of good. IC will probably help also. I did not take any ADs going through my issues with my NPD (diagnosed) ex.

Here's why: I figured he had taken ENOUGH from me and he wasn't going to take ANYTHING else, including my career and the things I valued in life.

Cat

FBS: Married 20 years, 2 daughters 27 and 24. Divorced by the grace of GOD.
D-Days: 2/23/93; 10/11/97; 3/5/03
Ex & OW Broke up 12-10
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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 4:29 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

Yep.

If it is any comfort to you, I called one of the OW and asked her to cease and desist. I was very polite and made no threats. She hired an attorney to write to me to tell me to leave her alone. ONE phone call. So I took the letter to my attorney (I had filed for divorce) and my attorney told me, "Don't worry. I'm sure the judge is going to be VERY interested to hear just WHY that phone call was made."

So while this probably isn't going to come back to bite you, it's probably not a good idea to associate with ANY of the players in this sordid little scenario.

Amping the exercise and eating well will do a world of good. IC will probably help also. I did not take any ADs going through my issues with my NPD (diagnosed) ex.

Here's why: I figured he had taken ENOUGH from me and he wasn't going to take ANYTHING else, including my career and the things I valued in life.

Cat

Thanks Cat.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 4:35 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

36,

You have nothing to apologise to us for. You are not a professional investigator, nor is it your mission to expose that cesspool of an office.

As for your housecall...Well, we've all done stuff like that. It's hard to resist. Many, many people here will have their own version of it. Funny how fast the bad guys contact the cops, isn't it? You said you thought the OM was involved in that false DV charge that your wife made. It's possible that he has been 'chased' several times before, and he immediately hides behind the police. As you say though, not your monkeys, not your show.

You are much better off focusing on your stated aim, which is getting these people out of your life, and freeing yourself up to have a better life without their influence in it. Let them wallow in whatever fetid pool they have created for themselves, the best way for you to see them is in your rear view mirror, as you head into your new, infidelity-free life. Realising that the best thing to do is leave them all behind is another step on the journey, 36.

Edited to add: Thank you to evrryone for your kind words.

[This message edited by M1965 at 11:30 AM, October 25th (Wednesday)]

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SquirrelFace ( member #52946) posted at 4:47 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

36,

I think your decision to disengage is a healthy and thoughtful one.

Your wife didn't think about the dysfunction (or even the danger) she was inviting into your life. You didn't ask for it. You weren't consulted. You didn't want it.

It's hers now. There is no point keeping up defenses when the people you aim to protect invite the marauders in.

You can make the choice to walk away and I think it is a good choice.

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redsox13 ( member #43391) posted at 4:56 PM on Wednesday, October 25th, 2017

Ex-prosecutor here.

Do not talk to the police without your lawyer. I suspect the PO doesn't take the allegation seriously. In fact what you describe occurs reasonably frequently and honestly he was probably just trying to close the case.

BUT - given your state of mind the best thing is to make sure your lawyer handles it.

I told myself that every moment I spent thinking about all of this crap is a moment I can never get back. There is nothing in the end really that needs to be done once you start the divorce process. It is just a bunch of self-induced stress.

The sooner you can walk away from it the better.

BS - 45
fWW - 43
Simply getting better.

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