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soulhurt ( member #52433) posted at 4:38 PM on Thursday, February 9th, 2017

ks99, so sorry this is happening to you. You said you put the house on the market back in October? What was the reason for that? Did she asked for a divorce back then? Why did you put the house on the market then? Has it not sold yet?

Anyway, man I'm really sorry, your story is heartbreaking. I do believe you have a moral obligation to tell the other betrayed spouse about the affair. You would want to know, also by keeping that information away from the OBS you are now an accomplice to the betrayal. You are helping the OM cheat on his wife with your silence.

There is nothing you can do about your wife, you can't control her or make her love you. You have to let go and focus on yourself and things that make you happy. It is going to be really hard, but you will make it through this.

Divorced

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goalong ( member #57352) posted at 4:59 PM on Thursday, February 9th, 2017

Sorry to know about yout situation. Looks like You are not taking any actions. Is it because you still have hope or wife is dangling some hope? It is better to have some anger and take actions. While telling all others tell your kids and have them on your side. Cancel selling the house and say you and kids want to have the house after D. She may have to pitch in some payments as well. Your wife is all about status and money. She may have been eyeing the OM for a long time because he is an executive. your losing the job is the last nail. Like others said there is no point in trying to get her back. You have all other family - your kids, your siblings , parents etc. They will never cheat on you. Better to have a caring person like a sibling on board to help with you in this very difficult situation

Pain is certain.Suffering is optional - Buddha

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 betrayedks99 (original poster new member #57329) posted at 6:08 PM on Thursday, February 9th, 2017

We had talked about downsizing to a smaller house someday for a little over a year to save money. We finally listed the house in October when my job prospects were not panning out as soon as we had hoped. Thanks for your feedback and support. It has been very encouraging and I am seriously considering my next steps regarding the OMW. I am not sure if my WW is in the fog or if she sees her life better without me after being with him. I prayed that it is the former, but am mentally preparing myself that she is checked out.

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Jduff ( member #41988) posted at 6:42 PM on Thursday, February 9th, 2017

Your WW seems to pretty much following the script of an exit affair. There are various reasons why WW'S conduct their own exit affairs, and almost all of them blame the BH and/or the marriage, but the real reasons are within the WW. What ever is going on at the time of the marriage, unemployment, mounting debt, loss of loved one, empty nest syndrome, getting back into the workforce after a long hiatus, any impact full event to normality is used as a "reason" and cheating typically us a coping mechanism. I kind of put this in the spectrum of midlife crisis. It sounds like your WW had certain unreasonable and unrealistic expectations of you and/or the marriage and has used that as justification. Wayward like her are the ones you really need to be careful dealing with so seriously consider getting a couple of VARs to protect your self. Do meet with an attorney to have a plan in place in case your situation does head for divorce.

I was the OBS in my old situation. People in affairs come up with ALL kinds of bullshit excuses as to why their betrayed spouse should not contact the OBS and the one real actual reason for all of them is for self preservation of the cheaters and to preserve the cheating. What works better than personally kicking the OM's is having husband wife kick his ass in other ways for you. OM's use the same excuse with their AP, they are getting a divorce or separated from their wives, their wives abuse them, their wife is also cheating, their wife is psychotic and will react violently, etc. ALL to motivate their AP, and their spouses when the affair is exposed, to keep it all a secret. So definitely tell this OM's as soon as possible but DO NOT let your WW or the OM that you will. Prepare to deliver what ever evidence you can, phone logs, print out of their messages, recordings of the conversation, anything that confirms the affair.

The grass is always greener.... where the dogs are shitting.

-Soundgarden

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goalong ( member #57352) posted at 7:57 PM on Saturday, February 11th, 2017

"I am mentally preparing for her exit"- Hope you have strength if this is the case. Look after yourself. Improve your self worth by doing something new. Make sure this does not affect your job. Every end is a new beginning. Give maximum repercussions to the douchebags. Convince your kids to be with you. In the hindsight I feel you were a bit naive. When WW distanced from you, it was a warning. But who can blame you. You were at your wits' end your heartless WW chose to give you pain at that very stage and threw 23 years of memory and give and take down the drain. Being with people who care about you help a lot in heeling. If you have come to the end ask her to leave the marital home until everything is settle.

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 10:46 PM on Saturday, February 11th, 2017

Chances are, the A has gone underground.

Tell OMW asap.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 11:00 PM on Saturday, February 11th, 2017

You need to tell the other wife as fast as humanly possible AND DO NOT LET YOUR WIFE KNOW THAT YOU ARE DOIMG THIS.

I have been reading this site as a lurker for years and only recently joined - JUST to add to the same universal advice that you need to expose expose expose. If you have time read 100 threads here and nobody actually wanted to do it but 100 out of 100 have helped the situation.

You need to see a lawyer tomorrow. He is still messing with your marriage so you will also have the lawyer send a cease and desist to his workplace (he's assuredly used company time/equipment). Scorched earth is how you GET HIM OUT OF YOUR LIFE.

Even if you do decide to not reconcile atleast it will be your decision. Once her boyfriend is out of the picture she'll change her tune quickly. BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE TAKEN CONTROL OF THE SHITTY SITUATION THAT SHE PUT YOU IN.

Please please please please contact the other wife as fast as possible. I cannot implore how important this is.

And in terms of her phone, check what apps she has. She's definitely still in contact. Definitely.

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jtom ( member #35322) posted at 3:20 AM on Sunday, February 12th, 2017

The affair is still on. Do you want it to end? TELL THE POS OMs WIFE NOW. Knock your WW off the fence an tell the OBS. Again tell no one you are going to do this. A face to face meeting with the OBS is best. Stay strong an do it.

ME(BH)HER(WW)LTA AT WORK.DISCOVERED AUGUST 2010. TWO SONS.DIVORCED HER. "THE BEST PREDICTER OF FUTURE BEHAVIOR IS PAST BEHAVIOR"

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Chappie ( member #56407) posted at 12:27 PM on Sunday, February 12th, 2017

Of course you want to expose to his wife . This is the only thing that can save your marriage and family. The odds she is telling the truth about his wife being mean and separated are slim and none. The odds are extremely high he will dump your wife like a rock. When she sees what he really thinks of her and reality sets in you will more than likely see a whole new woman.

In any event warning the Posom's wife is the moral persons responsibility.

Depending on your wife's response to exposure then decide when to tell her family and your kids. Not if,when.

Posom has declared all out war on your family,time to man up. If you don't,the folks here or no one else can help you.

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Freeme ( member #31946) posted at 12:54 PM on Sunday, February 12th, 2017

She is terrified that I am going to confront the guy and tell his wife everything. And our friends, her family, our pastor, etc. He blocked me on Facebook, my WW un-friended him too (presumably to hide the private messages from me). On Dday when WW texted him they had been discovered, he replied she needs to warn him if I am headed his way.

Ya know what I think? I think that OM is more afraid of his wife finding out then you coming over with a baseball bat. I think he is distancing himself from your wife hoping this "blows over" and that your wife is trying to distance herself from you in hopes you will not see a point in exposing. Seems like they both have the same concern "exposure".

...and you know what I'd do? EXPOSE before it's to late. I'd tell the OBS first with out warning to your wife or OM. Go 180 get all your evidence together and either call her or go over there.

Some of the saddest posts on this site involve BS's that don't know they are BS and are killing themselves trying to save their marriage. I really think this guy is going to throw your WW under the bus when this is exposed to his wife. At that point your wife will see that this wasn't some fairytale romance this was a cheap affair and she was an OW.

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Ginny ( member #43196) posted at 1:54 PM on Sunday, February 12th, 2017

Expose.

BW49
FWH50
DDay 11-02-13
Married 30 years
2 month PA/EA with COW
DS28
Trying to R

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Alchemy ( member #57379) posted at 7:13 PM on Sunday, February 12th, 2017

This is a long story...

It is also a story as old as the hills with predictable outcomes and time-tested solutions. Ignore these at your peril.

My wife and I have been married for 23 years and have three wonderful kids, all in their teens. Dday for me was 1/20/17. My marriage has not been perfect, but I never imagined in my worst nightmare that it would come to this. I was unemployed for a few months and just went back to work in January.

The imperfections in your marriage are not the reason your WW cheated on you. OTOH, the fact that you lost your job was probably a contributing factor (albeit, one which you probably couldn't help). Many women quickly lose respect for their man if he ceases to be a good provider.

In November we had a fight about my lack of success in finding a job, and she said she needed some space, and told me sometimes she just drove around to think, as she did not want to come home when she got off work and "see me there again". Her new job gives her 3 Fridays a month off at noon. So, after our blow up in November, I let her have her space, thinking this would help relieve her frustration with me. This also meant I quit trying to hug her as much, not asking for sex, etc.

I trust you now realize that letting her "have her space" was a mistake. In effect, you gave her permission to cheat on you by failing to insist that she continue to perform her spousal duties, one of which is to come home when one's workday is over.

Fast forward to January 16. I started getting suspicious when putting away laundry, I came across some new lingerie that I had never seen before along with some other “intimate” stuff hidden in a small bag in our closet. That night I asked her about this stuff and asked if there was someone else. She denied it and she said she got that for us, but was not ready for that yet. I asked if she would go to marriage counseling and she said yes so I made an appointment for the coming Saturday. The next day, for some reason I was not feeling right about her answer, so I went to look at the stuff again and it was gone. I freaked out and found it hidden in the trunk of her car. I was becoming a nervous, paranoid wreck. So, I started going through cell phone records and noticed three numbers from a town about 2 hours away that she had been calling or texting and vice versa since about July, with more frequency and longer duration in October, November and December.

Other than confronting her immediately upon discovering the new lingerie, you did well. Many men turn a blind eye to the signs of infidelity, generally out of fear of discovering the truth. The fact that you didn't ignore it speaks well of you and of your ability to recover reasonably quickly from her betrayal.

I was at my computer looking at phone records when I checked the online records from our toll road account. I discovered she had been making trips to that town and two other cities near us leaving on those Fridays she got off work at noon, coming home around 5-7pm, when she was telling me she needed time to herself. I tried to recall the stories she told me that had made sense at the time: lunch with a friend, walking by the lake for exercise, meeting an old girl friend from high school, etc.

I confronted her and told her I knew about the affair with (I know his name, an old friend from high school who she had remained friends with). The first thing she said was, "How do you know that? Have you been following me?" I went ballistic (I did not prepare myself for this revelation) and said what the F*** does that matter, you did this! Don't lie to me anymore, just tell me the truth! Then she admitted everything.

Don't kid yourself. Waywards rarely confess "everything" at the beginning. However, again, you handled this well and, although she probably still hasn't told you everything, your WW did confess to the affair.

His wife (yes, he is married too) was mean and they were basically separated under the same roof. They would talk about their problems to one another. She begged me not to confront him as it would ruin him. He is a high level executive with a huge company. His wife does not know yet. The affair started out as emotional in Summer, then moved to physical at the end of October. They would meet up in motels in his city or sometimes he would drive here and they would meet in a hotel in our city or one of two other cities near us. She said they had these trysts in motels on 6-7 different occasions up to Dday.

The OM's claim that he and his wife are "basically separated" is probably a lie, told to make it easier for your WW to cheat. As you go through the ordeal of recovering from this, bear in mind that much of what your WW tells you will either be an out-and-out lie or will be slanted in some way so as to mislead you. In other words, from now on, you cannot trust a thing she says to you. The solution is to respond only to what she does, not to what she says.

She said it ended on January 6 because they both agreed "it was too destructive and too many people could be hurt", so they ended the physical affair. I believe he does not want to end his marriage at this time. But the call logs indicated they were still talking about every other day or so, which I called her on. She tried to explain that they still talked to one another every few days or so but that is all. I am having a REALLY hard time believing that. I demanded she have no more contact with him, and she said her last comms was a text telling him I had found out and not sure what I was going to do. However, I suspect she has changed methods and may be using WhatsApp or the like for non-logged texts and calls. A couple of days ago I asked her to show me her phone and she refused. She says she can't breathe here, and I know I'm paranoid but I just can't trust her anymore. She swears there has been no contact with the OM since January 20, when she told the OM they had been discovered and there has been no record of contact on her cell phone (I have checked the records). In my mind I am thinking I will let her stay in the house with the kids and me with NC.

As you suspect, it is highly unlikely that your WW and the OM have agreed to end their PA. More likely, they've agreed to cool it until things return to normal (i.e., you go back to being a chump).

As you also suspect, the OM probably doesn't want to end his marriage because he knows his wife can take him to the cleaners.

You are also almost certainly correct that they are still in close communication by some other means, and you can forget about your WW giving you access to her communication devices and applications. So, if you want to know what she is up to, your are going to have to spy on her. I do not recommend that, however, because, as discussed below, I think your marriage in not salvageable.

She said her feelings for me changed and that she could no longer support me emotionally. I asked if she loved him and she said she cares for him a lot. She said she had been planning to leave me about a year ago, but held on hoping she could push through, and maybe things would get better, but was not communicating to me the depth of her feelings. She intended to leave me once I got a job and was stable so as not to leave me while unemployed. The unemployment lasted longer than either of us expected. I did not realize how badly she felt, and did not make things easier once I became unemployed. Ironically, Dday was on a Friday. My first day of work at my new job was the following Monday. Ugh. We talked all night and the next morning until we both were exhausted. We had a counseling session scheduled for that Saturday morning at where I had thought we were going to try and fix things, but instead she said she wanted out of our marriage.

Your WW has been remarkably frank with you and, I believe, honest, as to her feelings. Most WWs try to string their BHs along for at least a while. What this means is that she is genuinely through with her marriage and with you. I'm sorry to state it so bluntly but it is imperative that you understand and accept this so that you can make the decisions that will be best for you and your children.

I am so mad at her yet I still love her. I always believed infidelity was a deal breaker until it happened to me. My heart is just...broken.

Yes, you still love her because your are a normal, decent man, and there is no reason to be ashamed of that. However, given the depth of your WW's betrayal and her refusal to even consider reconciling, indeed, her admission that she is through with you, you must now base your decisions on the assumption that you marriage will end. All of your decisions and actions, from now on, should be designed to (1) mitigate the harm that divorce will have on your children and (2) shorten the time it takes you to recover emotionally and financially from her betrayal and your divorce.

While you do not need to act precipitously, you also should not wait too long before beginning the divorce process. At a minimum, you should consult with several divorce attorneys to find a good one, retain him or her and start to take his or her advice. Among other things, you will want advice about custody (probably not too big a problem, given your children's ages), how to protect your assets and minimize child support and alimony. You will also want to learn if her infidelity matters for the divorce (in most places, it doesn't). Get used to thinking about how it will affect the divorce settlement before you say or do something. You will undoubtedly screw up from time-to-time (everybody does) but just being aware of the danger will minimize the harm.

We have had the house for sale (since October) and once we get a contract on it, we will plan a time to tell our kids. Right now we are living under the same roof and she is sleeping in a different room, and the two kids still here don't know anything. She does not want to reconcile. She is done. We are both going to individual counseling. I feel like I have had my heart ripped out. I feel broken and depressed. I am not sleeping, but my doc just prescribed a sleep aid which I start tonight which hopefully helps, and a physical scheduled in a couple of weeks. I have lost 19 lbs., and don't eat much, but realize I need to take care of myself so forcing myself to eat right and take vitamins. I intend to exercise more too--walking, etc.

Plan on telling your children ASAP. They are old enough to be told the full truth, that your WW cheated and is still involved with the OM, and that you will be divorcing. Of course, you want to reassure them of your love and tell them that everything will be OK, but do not whitewash your WW's actions. Let your WW speak for herself. Do not apologize for her or say things like "she's still a great mom." She's not a great mom because great mom's don't destroy their children's families.

She is terrified that I am going to confront the guy and tell his wife everything. And our friends, her family, our pastor, etc. He blocked me on Facebook, my WW un-friended him too (presumably to hide the private messages from me). On Dday when WW texted him they had been discovered, he replied she needs to warn him if I am headed his way. I wanted to drive down there and take a baseball bat to him, which I have since thought better of. I am still not sure if I am going to confront him and inform his wife of all the details. My WW thinks if I tell the OW that it will be only to try and hurt her (which initially is what I was feeling). I am conflicted because I want to protect my children. Is it my place/responsibility to inform the OMW?

She isn't terrified that you are going to confront the OM (I presume you're smart enough to realize that getting into a physical altercation with the OM could result in jail time for you). She's afraid that your going to tell people what she's done which will have the effect ruining her reputation (which she deserves) and in all likelihood eliminating any chance of her ending up with her well-off boy friend (which she also deserves).

As far as notifying the OMW, yes, it is your responsibility as a responsible adult and a decent human being. The only question is when and how to do it. Generally, the sooner the better and in person or over the phone are the answers to those questions. The only countervailing factor is whether delaying exposure could benefit you somehow in the divorce settlement. The truth is that this is rarely the case but you do want to consider things like whether disclosure might get your WW fired and result in you having to pay more alimony and child support (that doesn't seem to be the case here).

What should I do? I feel like such a fool. Thanks for listening to my long story, but I could really use some advice from someone who has been here. I just want the nightmare to end, and get on the road to healing, if that's possible.

What you should do is:

1) Start to take really good care of yourself physically, including eating right, getting enough sleep (get a sleeping prescription, if necessary) and exercising regularly. Avoid alcohol.

2) For your mental well-being and to start to rebuild your self-esteem, you should devote more time and energy to your children but also start to cultivate interests outside the home (spend time with old friends and make new ones, do things that interest you and do new things). But don't start dating just yet.

3) If you find yourself getting seriously depressed or incapable of acting, see your doctor.

4) Retain a good attorney and file for divorce ASAP;

5) Begin to detach emotionally from your WW (read up on the so-called "180"). This will take time so, the sooner your start, the sooner you will start to recover.

I hope this is helpful. You have a lot of thinking and a lot of work to do so, the sooner you can pull yourself together, the better. But don't get too upset with yourself if you screw up occasionally. Things have a way of working themselves out of their own accord and, like millions of other men who have been exactly where you are now, you are going to be OK.

Like everyone else here, I'm pulling for you.

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 12:33 AM on Monday, February 13th, 2017

op disappeared. Let me guess, he didn't tell OBS.

Where are you OP ??

He and she destroyed your life and marriage. They don't deserve any comfort

I am still stunned she had the nerve to ask you not to tell OBS as if she deserves any consideration at this point

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william ( member #41986) posted at 1:56 PM on Monday, February 13th, 2017

its incredibly normal how often the cheating spouse tries to arrange some sort of bargain to prevent or minimize exposure. especially to the other betrayed spouse (OBS).

your wife will make deals with you, insist its cruel, or whatever to convince you not to tell this guys wife. why? because shes trying to cover his ass for him. that way he covers her ass for her. meaning its worse than you know and both of them are vested interests in hiding exactly how much worse.

your wife helped to detonate a bomb on this guys wife. just like your wife was helped in dropping a bomb on you. you should feel some moral obligation to this lady to tell her, as a fellow human being, whats been done to her. its the right thing to do. she may be sitting there wondering why he acts like this of if he has been cheating... but think its because shes "crazy" since she can never prove it.

but even if it wasnt the moral thing to do its also the smart thing. shes going to lock some laser eyes on her husband and with her watching him like a hawk and you watching your wife it makes it harder for the affair. it makes the affair more real and reveals it isnt some love ballad but is just another sorid set of cheaters. that does wonders for snapping a ws head out of their rectum.

in addition, this obs can also provide you with info. this info can help you evaluate your wifes honesty. it can help maintain no contact. it can stop an affair.

dont warn your wife. just tell the other wife. then if your wife complains that you did ... well, you know shes still talking to om. right?

me - bh
her - lara01

from 09/11 - 05/13
2 ONS, 10 sexting partners, 1 LT EA/PA

??/06/13 DD/1 - admits to LT EA, begin false R.
01/13/14 DD/2 - LTA was PA.
01/18/14 DD/3 - sexting 5 guys.
01/19/14 DD/4 - 2 ONS with different guys

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1survivor ( member #49999) posted at 2:53 PM on Monday, February 13th, 2017

I agree with the others. Telling the OBS is very important. My wife tried to convince me not to do it. Said he was unstable , didn't know what he would do. Then one day without warning a month after Dday I did it. Told my wife I did it . She was in shock first ,the mad. Come to find out she was really worried about her reputation, with the kids, small town,yada,yada. I told her she should have thought about it before she did it.

Come to find out he was still trying to contact my wife, trying to send her flowers , etc. Until his wife knew what was going on.

Then he stopped trying to contact all together. Best thing I did. And I got much more of the truth from comparing stories with the Obs.

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katlyd001 ( new member #57418) posted at 10:05 PM on Monday, February 13th, 2017

No Soliciting

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 betrayedks99 (original poster new member #57329) posted at 1:34 PM on Wednesday, February 15th, 2017

2nd Dday 2/13/17

Thanks for all the words of advice and enouragement. Lately I have been more suspicious of my wife breaking NC. In my perpetual paranoid state, earlier I bought a tiny VAR and caught the whole thing. I discovered my wife had purchased a burner phone and was talking to the OM while in her car supposedly while she was at exercise class. The next day with some help from a close and trusted friend, I contact two attorneys and have appointments this week to interview for representation. I also spoke with my pastor who gave me some good advice, so with what I know here, I chose instead to confront the OM. I called him yesterday and blew him up, told him he was a coward and complicit in the destruction of my marriage and he needed to tell his wife about the affair or that I would. He told me he knew that I was serious and would tell her. I told him NO MORE CONTACT with my wife and made it clear that I was not bluffing. Not sure what he is going to do but at this point I really don't care. He was fence sitting and cake eating. What a POS coward MF. I managed all this on 2 hours of sleep the night before and 4 hours the night before that.

My marriage is over. I asked my wife to move out. We are going to tell the kids this weekend, and I demanded she tell the truth and include the affair. A good friend told me nothing sanitizes like sunshine. We are going to see a counselor tonight to discuss how we prepare to tell the kids. My heart is breaking all over again thinking of how this is going to affect them.

So I am not sure what the future holds for me, and I know I have a long hard road ahead of me. I am worried about how my kids will take this. I am worried about finances. My doctor prescribed some anti-depressants and I start those today. Hopefully in a couple of weeks I can start to see some light at the end of this long nightmarish tunnel.

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ZMarley ( member #50000) posted at 1:59 PM on Wednesday, February 15th, 2017

Tell OMW anyway. I doubt he will tell her.

ME: 42 BS
Her: WW 47
DDay 10/1/2015

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 2:18 PM on Wednesday, February 15th, 2017

Why do you delegate the real work?

You allow OM to tell his wife. Think that will work? Read around here on SI and learn about trickle truth. The OM will possibly admit that there is a husband that thinks OM got too close to his wife. He might even admit he held hands and maybe even shared a soda. But an affair? No… Not happening.

Your wife telling the kids? Why? What do you think she will say? You should control and do that talk. Be careful though – there must be a reason for the talk and it’s NOT so the kids take sides. It’s to explain why their family is changing and how that should impact them. It’s not so they get some romanticized excuse from your wife or some accusatory and derogatory lecture from you.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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dorothy02 ( new member #57447) posted at 2:38 PM on Wednesday, February 15th, 2017

No soliciting.

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