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RNT1 ( member #62158) posted at 3:00 AM on Friday, May 4th, 2018

I sent this to my ww who got angry and said it was hate and garbage, i am done sharing with her as i seen compassion and love in this post. Its been that way with her since dd 1 and 2.

ME. BS.
HER. WW.
DDAY1. 12/18/17 I knew by instinct.TT for months.
DDAY2. 03/01/18 She kept communication with him.
DDAY3. 09/05/18 She unblocked him from facebook and tells me she still desires him.

Reconciliation, imo, is impossible and over.

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Coreofsteel ( member #62501) posted at 9:08 AM on Saturday, May 5th, 2018

Pretty sure my WS never read this I sent it to him a lot of times.

ME: BS. Together with wayward spouse for 4 years. D-Day Jan 24, 2018. D-Day #2 Feb 5, 2018. D-day #3 from numerous other people, March 15. D-day #4 April 9, sex with more people and a hooker. NO future.

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xLoveLostx ( member #63558) posted at 6:20 PM on Saturday, May 5th, 2018

I wish I could have read this post years ago ... Any WS that is new ... Should read this . It describes so much of the past couple years and things I failed to do . The work you put in and behaviour you have right after your A is everything to your BS.

[This message edited by xLoveLostx at 12:21 PM, May 5th (Saturday)]

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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 1:31 AM on Thursday, May 10th, 2018

Bumped for mywittyname.

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 2:01 AM on Friday, May 25th, 2018

Bumped for Daddyjam.

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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TrustBreaker ( new member #63906) posted at 4:35 AM on Tuesday, May 29th, 2018

Thank you for this. It has become a fundamental part of my life for the last 4 weeks since D-Day. This is my first time posting, and writing emotionally is not something I've ever done so if this comes across as rigid, my feelings are anything but. I'm a complete emotional mess. I want to share my story, though it is not very easy for me to write in a way that conveys the shame, remorse, disappointment, guilt, embarrassment, anger - all at myself - that I feel. I'll try to stay factual and honest to start, to keep my sins clear, and see if I can discuss my feelings at the end. Things every WS need to know gets us so far and has been invaluable to me, but I am still searching for more about myself - not just so I can help my BW, but also help myself be better. I've learnt alot, but not enough - and maybe I never will learn enough, but I am determined to go on this journey.

I'm 37. I have been with my BS just under 12 years, and married for 8 with 2 beautiful daughters (11/7). For some context, my wife is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. She identifies herself often by her looks which I think sells herself short because motherhood, her strength, and her heart are her real distinguishing qualities. We had a great marriage with a lot of really tough challenges (this being the most difficult of course) but no one can deny how I got so lucky, and how much we were in love. So what and why did this happened? I can only describe the what right now.

It's 4 weeks since D-Day. 7 months ago I started an affair with a co-worker I had worked with for 3.5 years. During the 6 month affair, I slept with AP numerous times (20-30), sometimes in a parking lot in the back of my car, sometimes (maybe 12) in a hotel near our office, and 4 occasions I went on "work trips" which meant overnights. Although I did have work trips I would lie to my BW about my return date to give myself the extra day. Sick right?

Roughly speaking I would see AP once a week maybe for a drink after work or just to the car park and then home. Maybe 45 minutes a week. We had a secret email that I would use almost daily and I would call AP often to or from my way to work or if I was on work trips. The conversation was as time went on, not very interesting, and often included work stuff, but I kept doing it. I did it as a matter of routine. There wasn't the closeness I shared with my BW over our years together - the dependency we had in our team or at least what I had shared with my BW before the affair started.

There was no end in sight - no realistic end - we had another overnight booked due three weeks after D-day which obviously didn't happen.

I tried once to ignore the AP for a few days, in the hopes she might let me go easily, but she did not. She sent me numerous emails and cursed me out. I was afraid of the consequences of this all blowing up in my face - of my BW finding out. I was a coward to put my own selfish fear above what I was doing to my BW. After the affair started, I knew what I was doing was wrong and I tried not to give it much thought - instead focusing on not letting the secret get out. I chose to ignore what it was doing in relation to my family - I compartmentalized - and just kept going even though I would tell myself I needed to stop this. Often I wasn't able to perform sexually with AP - I wasn't especially drawn to anything other than someone willing to want to be with me. My BW was extremely sexual and I never wanted for anything. I don't want to be mean, but AP was far from the beauty of my BW. I was afraid of delivering bad news to the AP so I would avoid difficult conversations where she might push me for longer term plans. I would hope my lack of commitments would disuade her. How weak is that ? Fear of confrontation, weakness to speak directly, and honesty are all weaknesses I've discovered in the last number of weeks of serious reflection in myself. I'm still trying to coherently assemble my thoughts in a cohesive way to help structure my story - the entire affair - the way I was thinking during the different phases of the affair - and the obvious consequences of what I did. And all the while my poor BW is suffering unimaginable pain from my betrayal.

So I think they are the key facts. Obviously there may be others, and I've tried to share all the relevant facts with my BW so she may know everything and make her decisions based on truth.

So since D-day - lets talk about that. A couple of days before D-day, BW found a pair of glasses in my car. They were APs. Over the course of the next couple of days I drip fed the truth leading up to D-day when I shared a bulk of details, but not the full truth. 3 days later, I finally understood that it was not my right to withhold any details from BW - so I released everything. I told her all the facts. It was a life changing moment. I went from the person that was afraid - an incomplete person to a clean and honest person. the pain was incredible, for me and my BW but it was the truth. And I must start everything with that.

My BW shared some truth with me over the course of the last 4 weeks. I wasn't ready to hear some of it. Alot of it was very painful, but nothing related to the pain I have inflicted on BW and my amazing little girls. My poor girls.

On Dday I spent 2 nights in a hotel. BW was furious, though encouraged me to see the kids and offered a huge amount of compassion from her broken heart. She found some strength through GOD and selflessly shared it with me. I don't deserve this.

Then, somehow her mother and husband supported me and offered to allow me to stay at their house. I stayed there one night. I returned home for a couple of nights and was asked to leave again for another night. I've been back in our home in the guest room since then though many times, I've been asked to leave. As "Things that every WS needs to know" says - be present. BW and I understand the irony that the person (me) who inflicted the damage is the person best placed to support the damaged. It doesn't make it easier and BW is seriously considering removing me from the equation to clear her mind to understand if she really wants a future with me.

We just had a weekend away with the kids and it was good, but today BW spent the day going back over details. She wants all the details, and I've shared everything I can remember - including passwords, (all emails were deleted by me from secret email). Since D Day any contact with AP, I've shared and discussed with BW - though its all incoming. I don't want to get into AP in too much detail, but BW has been in touch with AP directly. Sometimes with compassion from my BW who has tried to see good in people, but mostly from AP trying to damage me as much as possible. But because of my honesty I don't see what she can say or do that BW doesn't know. Of course I've shared with BW that I said many things I shouldn't have such as I love you too, or I miss you. In my mind I was fulfilling a role. But whenever a conversation arose where she asked my plan I would say I have no plan and I was never going to leave my wife and kids. Sounds like I just wanted to keep having sex with this person and getting the best of both worlds - I didn't even enjoy it like I did with BW - but I was a world apart from BW emotionally for the first real time since we met and I knew it wasn't what I wanted. But all the while I kept it going and I'm going slowly mad. The toxic routine had taken over and I was left hoping for some miracle that would remove me from this situation. I didn't take any action other than keep this going ! I'm arguing at home more, I don't even see my BW trying to believe me and trust me even though she knows better. She wants so much for this not to be true and I think have everyone fooled - but mostly I have myself fooled. I'm the fool.

I spent my life building up to some professional success and we had finally found our forever home and were on the path we always wanted with mature fun friends, a stable home, in a great school district and my new important job giving us the promise of a great future. Everything we wanted... right? My BW made huge strides in her personal life dealing with various issues, and though it was tough, she always always told me how much she loved me and how she admired me. She identified herself as my wife which showed the pride she had in me. She now feels so silly and embarrassed for being such a faithful loving and proud wife. thank God her friends have supported her the way they have. This site has given her some advice that moves me down the ladder toward R which is fair, and some that has helped her. I saw something about regret and remorse. I seriously examined the difference beyond what I knew before. I feel I have remorse - I am appalled at my actions, I'm devastated I caused such hurt to my closest loved ones by being SO UTTERLY SELFISH, I wish it never happened obviously, and I want to do everything I can to help support the people I've damaged. i realize btw that I have spoken mostly from a personal perspective - this is because I believe it is me, and me alone is responsible for this A. Not my BW, not the AP, and not our relationship. Sure I've fished in all of those pools searching for reasons, but I've had to throw back those fish because they don't get to the heart of my issues.

Anyway, after D-day - we had the talk on honesty -and that has been a cornerstone of my self discovery. About 4 days later, my BW who knows me better than anyone wrote me a letter. A deep letter examining the Why's and the how's. She offered me insight about myself I wouldn't get with a year's therapy (no offense therapists). Many of my weaknesses she was able to draw correlations to my life - how I was raised, trauma's I've endured, lack of coping mechanisms. I've tried to take them on and dig deeper. I have a long way to go. I wish with all my heart my wife and kids will be waiting for me at the end of the journey - maybe there is no end in self discovery, but I hope they'll be my companions to a better a life together.

I've so much more to write. So much about my life, my self examination. So much about the healing process, and the support for my BW. I have had huge struggles professionally and obviously with BW. BW has been dating others already - she has been honest with me but it has torn me up inside but I have to accept it and accept the pain I deserve. Maybe I'll expand on this another night, but tonight I think I'll stop here. I appreciate any thoughts or support you can offer - especially if this is relatable to you.

Thank you.

[This message edited by TrustBreaker at 10:49 PM, May 28th (Monday)]

TrustBreaker
Me: WH (37)
BS (34)
Married 8 / together 12. 2 kids (11/7).
D-day 1-May-2018

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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 4:38 AM on Tuesday, May 29th, 2018

Hey there Trustbreaker,

You're right, this is a great thread and it has been helpful to so many Waywards just like you and me.

I'd like to encourage you to start your own thread in the Wayward Forum because your story will tend to get buried in this one.

Welcome to SI.

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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TrustBreaker ( new member #63906) posted at 5:10 AM on Tuesday, May 29th, 2018

Thank you Evolving soul.

I'm new to much of this site, and still the acronyms and symbols sometimes cause me some confusion. I hope I don't misuse any of them.

I've posted a new thread. It has been a bit cathartic for me but I hope will provide some support.

thanks

TrustBreaker
Me: WH (37)
BS (34)
Married 8 / together 12. 2 kids (11/7).
D-day 1-May-2018

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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 7:36 AM on Monday, June 4th, 2018

Bump.

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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Sixx1976 ( new member #64040) posted at 5:20 PM on Tuesday, June 5th, 2018

Such a good article, thank you for sharing. I’ve only just begun to realize the pain I’ve inflicted on my spouse and it’s tearing me apart inside, but what I’m feeling is nothing compared to what she is going through. I’ve done all the wrong things, and I mean all of them. Running, stonewalling, gadslighting...all because it was the only reactions I knew. My regret is not finding this article earlier and actively seeking help when there was still a chance for reconciliation, I wasn’t “getting it” when it came down to realizing what my actions have done and I fear the damage is far to great to continue as my spouse has shut down.

Anyone just now coming here and reading this and is new to this process heed its message.

[This message edited by Sixx1976 at 11:35 AM, June 5th (Tuesday)]

WS: Me
BS: Wife
DDay 1 - Sept 6th 2017
TT along the way...
Status: Separated, Living Together

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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 3:27 AM on Thursday, June 14th, 2018

Bumped for Affairsouth

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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AnotherIdiot ( member #55384) posted at 8:05 AM on Thursday, June 14th, 2018

SHARE YOUR FEELINGS OF GUILT AND SHAME: If you exhibit no shame or guilt for hurting them, they’ll wonder if you’re truly capable of being sensitive, caring or even feeling. They may see you as callous and self-absorbed, and question if it’s really worth another try with you. But if you’re like most people who have badly hurt someone you truly love, then you certainly feel shame and guilt, though verbalizing it may be hard for you. Of course, some people do find it difficult to express these feelings, but try.

Amen to the above. Mea culpas. Daily or often. Also written - cards with flowers, ad hoc occasions. My guilt and shame are daily thoughts. Actions of violence committed against the innocent. Much to atone for. Difficult to express but necessary.

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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 10:15 PM on Thursday, June 14th, 2018

Bumped for Lights.

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

posts: 2531   ·   registered: Oct. 29th, 2010   ·   location: The far shore.
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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 4:58 PM on Sunday, July 1st, 2018

Bumped for Cerda.

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

posts: 2531   ·   registered: Oct. 29th, 2010   ·   location: The far shore.
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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 3:02 AM on Saturday, July 28th, 2018

Bump.

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 8:22 AM on Thursday, August 9th, 2018

Bumped for YoNoTengoAlegria.

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

posts: 2531   ·   registered: Oct. 29th, 2010   ·   location: The far shore.
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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 1:41 AM on Thursday, August 16th, 2018

Bump.

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 3:58 AM on Friday, August 24th, 2018

Bumped for WWisSorry.

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

posts: 2531   ·   registered: Oct. 29th, 2010   ·   location: The far shore.
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EvolvingSoul ( Guide #29972) posted at 1:39 AM on Tuesday, August 28th, 2018

Bumped for BG95

Me: WS (60)Him: Shards (55)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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pinkpggy ( member #61240) posted at 1:32 PM on Tuesday, August 28th, 2018

Thank you for bumping. I read it last night before bed and it helped me to initiate a conversation about my affair with my husband last night. He said he liked to hear me be able to talk about it.

One 4 month EA/PA
DDay March 2017
Separated (my choice) August 2020 and working towards divorce.

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