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Those who talked to OW- how did it go?

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SadieMae ( member #42986) posted at 1:13 PM on Tuesday, May 17th, 2022

I chatted with her online a couple of days after D-Day. She was also kind enough to tell me she knew how much he loved me.

I also called her about 3 months after D-Day. That was interesting. For the first 5 minutes I ranted at her then, after speaking to her I felt pity and tried to encourage her to change her ways.

I also read her blog. All about her feelings.

Me: BW D-day 3/9/2014
TT until 6/2016
TT again Fall 2020
Yay! A new D-Day on 11/8/2023 WTAF

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Want2BHappyAgain ( member #45088) posted at 2:27 PM on Tuesday, May 17th, 2022

All about her feelings.

Oh yesssss...those feelings rolleyes . My H wrote the adultery co-conspirator in his NC message that what they had was REAL...but in order to work on our M he couldn't contact her anymore. Wasn't he so NICE to sacrifice his REAL feelings that he had for her...for his marriage???!!! rolleyes . The adultery co-conspirator hung on to that word...REAL...for over 5 months. In an email reply to me 5 months later...she wrote that although my H MIGHT have been using HER...her feelings of LOVE for him were REAL rolleyes . I very truthfully and bluntly let her know that her thought of being USED was indeed true...no "might" about it wink . Her feelings changed after that because we haven't heard a peep from her since laugh .

It's funny how feelings can change so quickly isn't it? When I read that our THOUGHTS dictate our FEELINGS...it made lots of sense after that smile . When my H saw the reply that the adultery co-conspirator sent him the morning after his NC message to her...the feelings of EMBARRASSMENT came over him look . He couldn't believe that the adultery co-conspirator had LIED to him about her feelings toward him shocked . Even though he had admitted to lying to her about his feelings toward her duh . You just can't make this stuff up!!!

Honestly though...my feelings toward my H had changed multiple times on Dday as well. I saw it and felt it for myself that when a person thinks they have been USED...instead of LOVED...it doesn't matter WHO you are...your feelings toward the person USING you will change.

A "perfect marriage" is just two imperfect people who refuse to give up on each other.

With God ALL things are possible (Matthew 19:26)

I AM happy again...It CAN happen!!!

From respect comes great love...sassylee

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SadieMae ( member #42986) posted at 4:50 PM on Tuesday, May 17th, 2022

So I'll share this...

The funniest thing on her blog.... My phone call to OW and to OBS caused them to talk. And then (cue romantic music) they came together and that's when they conceived their first child.

Buuuuut.... on her amateur porn page she shared the ultrasound and the baby was conceived a month earlier.

Me: BW D-day 3/9/2014
TT until 6/2016
TT again Fall 2020
Yay! A new D-Day on 11/8/2023 WTAF

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Want2BHappyAgain ( member #45088) posted at 5:01 PM on Tuesday, May 17th, 2022

laugh laugh laugh

Like I said...you just can't make this stuff up duh !!!

Thanks for sharing that tidbit SadieMae...I needed the laugh today laugh !!!

A "perfect marriage" is just two imperfect people who refuse to give up on each other.

With God ALL things are possible (Matthew 19:26)

I AM happy again...It CAN happen!!!

From respect comes great love...sassylee

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Breachoftrust ( member #66252) posted at 5:38 PM on Tuesday, May 17th, 2022

My WH AP lied for him because the affair was still going on. Oh, we're just friends (who happen to be fucking.) I could call her now but I can't see me being nice. I would tell her what a whore I think she is and she should know when karma gets her I will be gleefully laughing. I have so many nasty things I want to say to her. Sad part is my therapist told me to write everything down about how I feel about her. Then, she told me to remove her name and replace it with my husband's. And THAT is how I really feel about him. Then she told me to ask myself if I still love him and want to work things out.

Married 21 years, together 27. 3 children. DD1 2/21/18. DD2 6/7/18 EA. BS 49, WH 50.DD3 3/30/22 PA

Actions prove who someone is; words prove who someone wants to be.

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crazyblindsided ( member #35215) posted at 5:40 PM on Tuesday, May 17th, 2022

I talked to the MOW on many occasions. The first time was D-Day I confronted her and her answers were snarky and blaming me. The second time was her contacting me to remove her from the cheater's website I put her on laugh The last time I spoke with her was the day I discovered I was in False R, had she not contacted me I never would have known and I thanked her for it. She also discovered many things she had not known, like the OOW during his A with her.

fBS/fWS(me):52 Mad-hattered after DD (2008)
XWS:55 Serial Cheater, Diagnosed NPD
DD(22) DS(19)
XWS cheated the entire M spanning 19 years
Discovered D-Days 2006,2008,2012, False R 2014
Separated 9/2019; Divorced 8/2024

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TheEnd ( member #72213) posted at 10:19 PM on Tuesday, May 17th, 2022

I talked to OW because she called me to tell me the affair, which I thought had ended, was still ongoing. In fact, he had ended it with her THAT day and being the sweet thing she is, she thought it only fair to immediately call me and let me know.

I don't regret it but then again, I didn't reach out to her. I had refused to do that earlier. My pride wouldn't let me.

In some ways, it helped me. I let her talk and learned what kind of person she is. So, so dumb, like seriously dumb. Also, manipulative. She was so sweet and breathy telling me just how awful she feels and sooooo sorry
meanwhile she's calling me to blow up my life. Had he accepted the blow job she offered not 20 minutes ago, she wouldn't have called me. She was such an obvious fake (see also: dumb). I realized she is used to this working. On men. Sweet and breathless, say the right things. Ew. Also, she unwittingly confirmed some things my Wh had told me.

She blew up my phone after the call with texts, all about her, looking for my empathy. What a tool.

It made me angrier with my WH. You risked everything for this dumb whore? More importantly (and still gets me riled up if I think about it): Why is someone this low and useless anywhere near me or my life? What crime did I commit in another life that resulted in this moron piece of trash being in my zip code let alone my husband's pants?

Anyway, OP, don't know if that helps. But cheaters lie and APs will either want to cover their asses or hurt you. Know what you want/need before you engage.

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FireandWater ( member #80084) posted at 12:00 AM on Wednesday, May 18th, 2022

I emailed the OW a few weeks after D-Day. In the days after I confronted him, WH had a couple of break-up conversations with her in which he expressed the need for NC. These were late-night conversations on D-Day and the next day after I had gone to bed. I didn't get to hear exactly what was said or agreed to. So, I took it upon myself to email her and clearly state my boundaries and expectations for her.

I totally tried to take the high road. I told her I wasn't writing to berate her or call her names. I simply wanted her to know that WH and I expected her to respect our boundaries. She was not to attempt to contact him by any means. I had access to his phone, email, Facebook, etc. and I would see if she tried to reach him. I also told her that he would be telling me if she tried to contact him and that we would be responding together (if we felt a response was even warranted). I also told her not to think she knows anything about me, my life, our relationship or our marriage. I know he told her some things that weren't true to gain her sympathy and make himself appear vulnerable. She, in turn, also fed him a load of crap to reel him in. I reminded her that as much as he was lying to me, he was also lying to her.

I had noticed immediately that she blocked me on Facebook (we were never friends but I was able to see her profile before), while attempting to remain friends with him. I watched as he unfriended her and blocked her from seeing his profile or attempting to friend him. Just last week, I noticed that she had suddenly unblocked me on Facebook. I suspect she didn't like not being able to see his posts, so she unblocked me in an attempt to get a glimpse into our lives. I promptly blocked her ass! Now I'm the one in control.

In the email I laid out, in detail, the places she needed to stay away from. He is heavily involved in our local theater scene, both as an actor and a volunteer. She started coming down (she lives about 35 miles away) and going to shows, volunteering on his committees, getting to know his friends, etc. He says he introduced her as a co-worker who likes theater and wanted to donate and help out. He said they kept it professional and cordial whenever she was around. I warned her to stay away from our local theater events, especially if she knew he was going to be there. I told her I would be taking her place on the volunteer committees and that her services were no longer needed. I also suggested that she spend her new-found free time dealing with the issues in her own marriage, and examining her own morals and values.

She never responded, which I suppose was to be expected. Thanks to trickle-truth, I found out a few weeks later that she had been in our house a few times and they had done it on our couch. This angered me all over again, so I fired off another email. I said, "You know, I thought perhaps you would have a shred of decency left and would respond to my last email. I thought you might say something simple like, 'I understand your boundaries and will respect them.' But no, you have no decency. I should have known as much when you snuck into my house through the garage. I very much expect that you will stay away from my family. We need the space and the privacy to heal. Be gone. Stay gone."

Of course, she still didn't respond. I don't expect her to. I'd just better not see her face anywhere in our vicinity! The really funny (and sad) thing was that she sent WH a long email the day after D-Day. He never even read it! I know he didn't because I saw it for the first time last week and it hadn't even been opened. It turns out she got the idea that they should create secret email accounts a few months ago, which didn't make sense because WH only has one phone and one laptop. Any accounts he's using will show up on his devices. He says he forgot about the secret account since he never thought it was necessary and never really used it. He didn't check it after D-Day (which I believe due to the email being unread). I opened it and read it to WH. Man, this woman is a piece of work! She listed the "conditions" under which he should agree to R with me! She discussed my "antiquated" view of marriage (that spouses shouldn't cheat), my strict moral code under which I force him to live (again, that spouses shouldn't cheat)! She admonished me for "tracking him like an animal" because our family is connected by a "find my friends" app that he would frequently turn off and on when he was with her. I noticed months earlier that he sometimes turned it off. That made me suspicious, but I (stupidly) didn't pursue it with him. I hardly "tracked him like an animal." Anything he said about me watching the app like a hawk was his own fear. My favorite part was her admonishing me for watching our bank account and credit card! She was ticked off because he was never able to pay for anything when they were together. I routinely check the credit card for fraud because we've had that happen a few times. I also always know how much is in our checking account because I pay the bills, transfer money to savings, etc. That poor little b-word had to pay for everything because I am responsible enough to stay on top of our finances! Boo-hoo!!! She felt used in more ways than one. She also said she "deserved" to spend her birthday with him (which was just a few days after D-Day). She said he should put his foot down and tell me that they would be going out "as friends" to celebrate her birthday and to wind-down their "relationship." Oh well. He never even read the email. I'm also positive that he would not have asked me to "allow" a final meeting between them. Nor do I think he even wanted one. Poor thing. She got ghosted right before her birthday.

In my last email, I told her I did not plan to contact her again unless she decided to violate our boundaries. I added that I hope further conversation will not be necessary. She can bite me!

[This message edited by FireandWater at 1:13 AM, Wednesday, May 18th]

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crazyblindsided ( member #35215) posted at 12:20 AM on Wednesday, May 18th, 2022

She discussed my "antiquated" view of marriage (that spouses shouldn't cheat), my strict moral code under which I force him to live (again, that spouses shouldn't cheat)! She admonished me for "tracking him like an animal" because our family is connected by a "find my friends" app that he would frquently turn off and on when he was with her.

MOW was this way towards me as well. She laughed at me that I made xWS go to therapy (only good thing that came out of that was his NPD diagnosis). I also used the tracking, MOW said I was controlling and that is why he was cheating on me duh

fBS/fWS(me):52 Mad-hattered after DD (2008)
XWS:55 Serial Cheater, Diagnosed NPD
DD(22) DS(19)
XWS cheated the entire M spanning 19 years
Discovered D-Days 2006,2008,2012, False R 2014
Separated 9/2019; Divorced 8/2024

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Luna10 ( member #60888) posted at 12:10 PM on Wednesday, May 18th, 2022

AP said the SAME things to me..."he doesn't love me, he loves you...I am no one"....thanks lady for the validation!

It must be part of the ow’s playbook because I got that also.

In our case she went into one to tell me how horrible my WH was. She was on speaker as my WH was there too (she knew). I’ve actually recorded the conversation which turned into a he said/she said type of conversation. I wasn’t interested frankly in her interpretation of the facts or my WH’s for what mattered. Example: ow "he told me he wanted you to leave him with the kids and go back to your own country for good, just disappear" (I’m from another European country). If that’s true what can I say, father (and husband) of the year, right? WH response: "that’s not what I said, I said my wife mentioned she wanted to visit some friends in her home country and I wish she’d go and leave the kids with me for a while as we both need a break from each other". (This was post dday, they were "friends" 🤦‍♀️)

WH: "you were trying to tell me my wife is manipulating me by fake fainting (I fainted in the middle of the night post dday because frankly I wasn’t eating, drinking or sleeping much) I know my wife and she wouldn’t do that"

OW: "I never said that, I told you she needs your support"

And so on and so forth. My IC listened to the recording and said it appeared I was the only adult in that conversation and they were like two kids at each other’s throat trying to dig a bigger grave for the other one.

It all ended with "I know he loves you, he loves you so much because I can see how he’s trying to damage control to make sure he doesn’t lose you". Ah gee, thanks, now you told me that I feel so much better.

In effect I only had that conversation because it was on dday 2 when my WH decided to confess he fucked up and kept in contact with AP to support her through her heartbreak and now she was threatening him (that was true, she kept calling me and hanging up to keep him on his toes) so I wanted to listen to them throwing each other under the bus.

Other than getting the satisfaction of listening to true love becoming ashes and soulmates hating each other laugh (the shit she was posting post dday 1 on social media was all along the lines of "we meet people for a reason" soulmate stuff) I have no way knowing if my husband truly said he wanted me to disappear (he probably did, most WSes wish their BS just poof, disappear) or if she did say I was trying to manipulate him by fake fainting apparently she said to him "ooooh she’s good!" (Probably, affairs are about manipulating each other so she was most likely putting me on the same level as her). There were other things they kept throwing at each other on the same lines. All interpretation of events and things said, unless I was there, there is no way of knowing.

I knew by then though that I had all the facts: where/when/how.

Funny enough on the factual front she abstained from recounting that "romantic" moment when she was giving him BJs in a car park nearby their work place. I wonder why…


ETA: the most enlightening thing I took from it is how delusional it all was. She kept calling him a liar, constantly and told me that she wouldn’t remain married to a liar. Yeah you have that right, apparently my WH turned into a liar the moment he was actually truthful to me, his wife, and was lying to her. Apparently she had a revelation, cheaters lie, wow, breaking news, it took her 9 months to realise that a man lying to his wife will also lie to her… 🙄

[This message edited by Luna10 at 12:24 PM, Wednesday, May 18th]

Dday - 27th September 2017

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