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NotInMyLife ( member #67728) posted at 2:38 AM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

Get her number from your phone records and call her. Tell her that you heard the first two discussions and he was basically lying to her because he left out the that he is married and started his affair with her while you were pregnant.

Then inform his parents and tell him he has to find another bed to sleep in.

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Rustylife ( member #65917) posted at 2:41 AM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

So in the end he did it on his terms anyway. What an asshole. How's your health? I hope there was no bacterial infection.

Tell your loved ones. His parents should know too. Book yourself into counseling. Where is he sleeping? I hope it's not with you.

[This message edited by Rustylife at 8:42 PM, July 6th (Saturday)]

Me:BH,28 on Dday
Her:XWW,27 on Dday
Dday: Dec 2016, Separated in Nov'16
Together 8 years, Married for 3
8 month EA/PA with COW at Dday
No remorse, Unapologetic. Divorced her.

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Smillie ( member #51537) posted at 2:49 AM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

Take time to recover. You have laid it out and he has also made his promises. I don't want to analyze his contact with her too much because it's early days and he has a lot of "learning" to do. Just try and sit back and watch him. Put together a plan B (maybe A) exit strategy and wait and see if he steps to the plate. Don't listen too much to his words because you won't really believe him anyway (you won't for a while). Take care of yourself and keep posting, everyone is pulling for you.

Maybe read "the 180" in the healing library, it suggests various techniques to stabilize your emotions and detach slightly from the situation.

[This message edited by Smillie at 8:53 PM, July 6th (Saturday)]

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summerdowling87 ( member #46254) posted at 2:51 AM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

Also you said he proclaimed his love to her?? If she's nuts or dangerous Why did he do it???

You deserve the truth.

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MalibuBayBreeze ( member #52124) posted at 3:57 AM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

This time she was angry/upset etc asking why professing her love for him as he did as well

Wait. What? He professed his love for HER? Please do not buy what he's selling. You were not on screen when he Face Timed her. He didn't come clean immediately about being a husband and father. He had contact with her again without you present.

Do not believe for one moment that he ended anything or blocked her. As for the POS OW, if she truly did not know he was married and thought she was in a relationship with someone who was single she should be mortified to find out about you. Because that would mean he forced her into being the OW without her knowledge. If she had an ounce of integrity she would never want to speak to him again.

That's not the case.

I'm sure there were times of the day he wasn't available to speak to her or see her. What about weekends and over night? Why wouldn't he ever have had her over to his home? I'm sure there was much stealth like planning going on for this vacation. Unless she is a complete idiot, she knew.

He's going to talk so much bullshit in the coming days and weeks that you might want to put a bib on him to catch the runoff coming out of his mouth. Be very cautious and wary and take everything with a very large grain of salt.

What about your family and friends? Have you told anyone? There has to be someone. Truly you need the support more than ever as you take your first steps into your new reality. Please open up to someone.

For your throat gargle with warm salt water. It really does help. I hope you're somehow managing to get some rest. Have you said anything to his parents yet? I would expect them to at least help you have some time to yourself.

Strength sweetheart. It will increase over time. I promise. You will get through this.

A man or woman telling the truth doesn't mind being questioned.

A liar does.

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ChamomileTea ( Moderator #53574) posted at 5:54 AM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

I was there when he FaceTimed her to end it and it was a quick call but then she started texting and called for another FaceTime. This time she was angry/upset etc asking why professing her love for him as he did as well but blamed the break up on distance. He didn’t tell her he was married with a baby. I didn’t pop into the phone or anything either. The second conversation ended with her asking him why and etc. so since we were in the car going home from the doc office he said he’d block her. He drop me off to bring his mom for another appt and he was suppose to come right back but felt long so I text him where are you and he said they talked again but this tine I was not there and I was furious. When he came home I he said he told me that if they talk again he would let me know but it seem like she was still pursuing something with him I lashed at him the moment he stepped into the house to text her the truth. That he was married and have 7mth off was the real reason not distance. Whatever was said on the FaceTime when I was not there seemed to have sealed it for her because she responded to him goodluck with that life. He then blocked her and deleted her as a contact.

Typically, the reason a WS wouldn't give the truth at the time of the "break-up call" is because they don't really mean it. It's much easier to back-peddle with the OW when they've blamed something more innocuous (like distance) rather than saying that they're married with a kid and they don't want to wreck their home sitch. It's also easier to keep the OW from contacting the BW if she doesn't know there is one. And some of it is just straight-up cowardice. They don't want their side-piece thinking they're a bad guy. Illicit affairs feed the ego, and part of the reason the WS engages in cheating at all is that they're getting a lift out of it.

That's assuming he told you the truth. You only have the word of a proved liar that she didn't actually know he was married. If so, the reason for telling you she didn't know is to keep you from being overtly hostile toward her. She's just another victim, you see.

It's so tempting to believe the WS when you've just found out. We're still in shock. They sound so convincing. But they're practiced liars, who have sometimes been looking us in the eye and lying to our faces for years. I was astonished the first time I witnessed it, and even more so when I started putting the pieces together and remembering which lies went with which events.

It's NOT necessarily a hopeless situation though. But at this point of discovery, you've got to get this guy's respect and keep it. He doesn't get to lie to you anymore without consequence. He doesn't get to decide how much you're allowed to know anymore. And he damned sure doesn't get to say what he's willing to do and what he's not in terms of breaking up with his girlfriend. He's a married man. He's not supposed to have a girlfriend, right? It's absurd that they think they can set the tone for what's going to be tolerated after getting busted with their dicks still wet, and then think they can cry about how sorry they are, blame it on sex addiction, and cry to you about how they need help. This is YOUR life. This is your child's future. YOU decide what's good enough for you.

And that Facetime/texting nonsense would NOT be good enough for me. Why not tell him to get her on the phone and hand it to you? Tell her he's a married man with a child... and a history of seeing prostitutes. Tell her she's not the first and that he's already brought you home a scorching case of herpes from his last dalliance. Recommend she get tested. Then, tell her if she contacts you or your WH again that you'll be filing a restraining order, buh-bye. Say anything you want. It's not incumbent upon you to play nice in the sandbox with your husband's paramour.

After that, he closes his social media, changes his phone number, closes his email accounts, reroutes his bill-paying to a new email, and gives you passwords to every damned thing he owns. Hell, put him on a flip phone while you're at it. He goes to counseling and if diagnosed as a sex addict, he goes to meetings. His status as your husband is probational, because YOU DESERVE A BETTER MAN, and goddam it, if it's not him, it'll be someone else.

Sweetie, we all KNOW how hard it is to act tough when your heart is broken and your guts are jello. But if you don't get control of the situation, you'll be pushing uphill until you're finally so exhausted you just don't care anymore. It's kind of like dogs in a pack. You're alpha; he's a misbehaving beta. And you're going to tear his ass off if he doesn't capitulate completely to your will and show that belly. Not a very nice metaphor, but accurate enough.

This is not too much aggression. By everything that's holy you should be burning his shirts on the front lawn right now, so handing you that phone isn't too big of an ask. If he refuses, look him right in the eye and tell him 'that's okay, if he doesn't want you handling it, you'll go ask his mom to break up with his girlfriend for him.' No more Mrs. Nice Guy. Cheaters don't respect it, and his respect is so much more valuable right now than the tepid flavor of his "love". His "love" is cheap.

((big hugs)) You hang in there. Read everything you can. You got this.

BW: 2004(online EAs), 2014 (multiple PAs); Married 40 years; in R with fWH for 10

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MalibuBayBreeze ( member #52124) posted at 8:58 AM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

It's so tempting to believe the WS when you've just found out. We're still in shock. They sound so convincing. But they're practiced liars, who have sometimes been looking us in the eye and lying to our faces for years. I was astonished the first time I witnessed it, and even more so when I started putting the pieces together and remembering which lies went with which events.

ChamomileTea nailed it. Astonishing indeed and I also began matching up lies, comments and behaviors.

I am a bit over 3 years out from DDay. At the time I was rocked to my core. I felt utterly powerless, lost, desperate and broken. Like I had been finished off. That's what 3 months of confronting a WH who wouldn't own up to shit until I had the name of his married OW. Everyone kept telling me I held all the power at that time. I didn't feel that way at all. But they were right.

It was the one time in our entire relationship that I had him cornered. I should have nailed his balls to the wall and gone nuclear. No wiggle room. No evasion. My way or the highway. If I was able to go back to that day it's exactly what I would do. I'm not the same person I was then and my reaction and action would be much different.

I fell for his crocodile tears. I was still fresh from years of dealing with his narcissism and was too beaten down emotionally to find my anger and stand my ground. It allowed him to manipulate the situation. To not answer questions almost as soon as I began asking them and shutting down the conversations I desperately needed to have. It has taken a huge toll, caused endless speculation and placed me in limbo.

Don't be me. Don't let him take control. YOU take control because you have it now despite feeling otherwise.

A man or woman telling the truth doesn't mind being questioned.

A liar does.

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MalibuBayBreeze ( member #52124) posted at 8:59 AM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

Duplicate post....

[This message edited by MalibuBayBreeze at 3:00 AM, July 7th (Sunday)]

A man or woman telling the truth doesn't mind being questioned.

A liar does.

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 12:17 PM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

Please know that he is still cheating by having contact with the OW.

For reference my H ended his Affair with a 73 minute phone call. I was not “allowed” to be there. He did it privately. Let’s just say NO ONE believes he ended it. When the OW called 6 weeks later the Affair resumed. Or started up again.

The point is when he finally ended it on DDay2- he told her it was over and then deleted her and blocked her. She emailed him again and he blocked her and never responded to anything. She finally gave up after a few more attempts and she got no response.

See the difference? When it’s over - it’s over. No contact. No response. No texts. No “wondering”.

Your H is lying to both of you. Whatever he told her is most likely more lies. And he’s telling you more lies and acting in a way to continue cheating and disrespecting you.

Just do you know this is a typical cheater move. Been through that. Unfortunately I made some mistakes as I did not have the benefit of SI at the time.

But you do. Do not accept this behavior. Do not allow it to continue even one more time. Get access to his phone and go through every app to see if he is still in contact with her.

And start the hard 180 now. He is still dragging you along his infidelity path and you need to get off that train.

So sorry for you. You deserve better than this.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 11 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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Can Not Believe ( member #30508) posted at 2:50 PM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

You are being played.

You are also following the cheaters handbook.

We can literally write the script and predict the outcome.

By not taking control, by not telling his parents, by believing his lies - and please know - he is LYING to you, you are basically playing the “pick me” dance, and the only sure thing that I can see for you, is Discovery Day 2

Why? Because with no consequence, he has no incentive to change.

Why should he?

What are you going to do? Except cry ? What?

You are accepting his behavior and also CONDONING it by covering for him.

I guarantee you it will hurt him more for his parents to find

Out than it did for you to find out.

He does not value you because you don’t value you.

You value HIM, not you. So he has no reason to change.

He will continue to do as is, and you will find out - like a lot of other people - that the affair never stopped and he will continue the status quo.

Everybody is telling you the same thing and we all hate the road you are on. We know where the road is leading, and until you stop covering for him, we all sadly know where it will end -DD2.

Tell his parents and and start helping yourself please.

Just my opinion

Can Not Believe

I cannot believe this is a part of my life.

Me: BW - 68 FWH - 68 years old
Married: 48 years (2020) - 2 sons (1978 &1983)
Possible OC: 29 at the time
DD: Friday - August 13, 2010
OC refused paternity test
No Contact since June/2011

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 4:27 PM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

You know he is lying to her. So you can believe he is also lying to you.

Start looking for a burner phone. He got one last night.

[This message edited by HellFire at 10:28 AM, July 7th (Sunday)]

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 5:11 PM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

Do not share this site with him.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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Justgettingbye ( member #69429) posted at 5:12 PM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

I was going to say the same thing about a burner phone. Hellfire beat me to it.

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Odonna ( member #38401) posted at 5:23 PM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

You see the level of anger here at your husband? We are all re-living what you are going through. The rage is not just against him, but against our spouses who did the same thing to us.

But the advice is all the same. Demand don’t ask; kick him out if he does not comply; expose.

Has he opened up all his accounts for you? Has he told you every indiscretion over the last six years? What about before? What was so special about that one year when he started this? Or has it been going on all along? Really think about that.

I know you are exhausted and in such pain you just want the oblivion of sleep but sleep is its own torture.

One step at a time Dear. But the first step HAS to be to take control.

Come talk to us please.

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OneInTheSame ( member #49854) posted at 5:41 PM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

First let me offer my support and sorrow for the terrible situation you have found yourself in at the hands of a cheating spouse. You have received some very sound advice.

A few things things I have not seen mentioned (pardon me if I missed them):

#1 At some point counseling will be a topic of discussion. Do not agree to couples/marriage counseling! Marriage counseling is not for dealing with infidelity, and can often create new issues. He is to get individual counseling. It is also a good idea for you. You should each have your own counselor. His counseling is not negotiable.

#2 I would consider hiring a private investigator, especially since he has already made contact without you present, and has already fudged on how completely he ended it with OW. If nothing else, a PI can help with ID of the OW(s) and may provide documentation of any continued betrayal or breaches of promises. The sooner you get someone on this the better.

#3 I am 3 1/2 years out from d-day and I now can see that I should have blown my wife's affair up with her friends and family . . . but I was afraid to. If you have not yet told his parents, please sit down with them and bring them up to speed. Your living situation is likely to be under a great deal of stress soon, if it isn't already, and and it may even be necessary that it change. You want to be the one to tell them the truth that you know, as your cheating husband has already shown that he is willing to lie.

(I edit to correct typos)
I am the BS in a lesbian marriage. My WW's ex-girlfriend was the AP.
D-day of the 6 mo A was 10/04/15
We are doing okay, but by now I wanted it to be better

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MalibuBayBreeze ( member #52124) posted at 5:57 PM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

You see the level of anger here at your husband? We are all re-living what you are going through. The rage is not just against him, but against our spouses who did the same thing to us.

So on point. That's exactly what's happening. We are trying to prevent you from mistakes we made and help guide you. I wish I had found SI months before I did. It would have been a game changer.

Our stories all vary from situation to situation but yet you will come to see there are also many common factors. We can all relate to each other which is what makes this an amazing place to be.

This is going to change you. In some ways for the better believe it or not. I am now the person I wish I had been throughout my marriage. You will go through different stages and we will be here for you to help you through each one. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, the next several months will be some of the most difficult. Read. Post as often as you need to. Your support will remain.

Someday it will shift and you will be at a point in your healing where you will be giving support to future newbies. People who have yet to discover an affair. It's a cycle. We all try to pay it forward for all the help we receive.

We're rooting for you! I hope by now you have opened up to someone. Do not make the mistake of keeping it to yourself because of any shame. There is nothing for you to feel ashamed or embarrassed by. You did nothing wrong. People who love and care for you will be there to catch you as you fall. You can bank on that.

Please keep us updated as to how you are. There is obviously much concern for you and I agree, there's a burner phone somewhere.

A man or woman telling the truth doesn't mind being questioned.

A liar does.

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FLYAKITE ( new member #58204) posted at 10:45 PM on Sunday, July 7th, 2019

Oh honey please please just watch out for PPD/PPA as you navigate this shit show. That, and, everyone’s advice is spot on, as shitty as it is to hear. ((Hugs mama))

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 Devastated2018 (original poster new member #70931) posted at 2:23 AM on Monday, July 8th, 2019

Sorry Ben MIA posting but I took the advice to remove myself completely from this to have time to think alone without any distractions. I have decided to end it and seeking for a divorce lawyer. I realize I can’t live this way even if I give him a second chance. I can’t live having to always worry if he is or not cheating again. I don’t want to be that person that has to check on your own husband, it’s going to drive me crazy. I know it’s the best for my son and I and he will have to let his parents know why they may no longer see their grandson everyday. I plan to fight for full custody. I can’t and don’t want to live a life of suspicion. During my alone time I went to the mall and everything is different to me now as I see men, couples, families walking around. Looking at some of the ladies that remind me of her in this photos and videos and telling myself she’s his type. I plan to confide in a friend of mine tomorrow as I will be meeting up for lunch. In addition I am thinking about IC as well because this has just shocked me to the core and I feel if I don’t seek professional help I will sink into deep depression. I can’t belive I have come to this after all these years. It’s too much and painful. I am so broken.

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Hurtmyheart ( member #63008) posted at 2:35 AM on Monday, July 8th, 2019

This is going to change you. In some ways for the better believe it or not. I am now the person I wish I had been throughout my marriage.

<<<This>>>

You will be better, stronger and wiser as you learn to navigate this journey you are now forced to deal with. Hard to believe right now but it's the truth.

I am sad for you because this should be the most happiest time of your life, young marriage and baby. Saddens me that your WH has done this against the ones who he should have loved and protected and held in the highest esteem. But he didn't.

I agree, find yourself a good support network and get yourself into IC. Stay with SI, you are in the early stages of infidelity and you will learn so much here. This is very important to your healing.

I don't believe you mentioned why you live with his parents. And how old are you and your WH?

[This message edited by Hurtmyheart at 8:35 PM, July 7th (Sunday)]

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ShutterHappy ( member #64318) posted at 3:05 AM on Monday, July 8th, 2019

I plan to confide in a friend of mine tomorrow as I will be meeting up for lunch. In addition I am thinking about IC

This is an excellent plan.

Do not be afraid to seek help.

In the long run, you will be fine. Give yourself time, but I assure you that you will be ok. Hang in there

Me: BH
Divorced, remarried.
I plan on living forever. So far so good

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