sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 4:41 PM on Thursday, November 10th, 2022
Forgive yourself for loving? NFW, bro. Celebrate it. You are able to love. You've loved. You're a loving person. You can continue to love. That's a critical part of living a good life.
I'm just sorry you weren't totally loved back.
You may need to forgive yourself for missing some of your W's flaws. You may need to forgive yourself for loving your W despite her flaws. But that's different from forgiving yourself for being a loving person.
Your W's As say nothing about you. My model of how our heads work is that your are feeling awful because of your self-talk. Some of that self-talk is healthy. Some self-talk helps you act in your best interests. But some is unhealthy and keeps you down. So what are you saying to yourself about yourself?
The only way I can think of to heal is to hear what you tell yourself and evaluate each message. Then dump the unhealthy, self-damaging self talk and replace it with nurturing.
Your best approach is to create or adopt a model that works for you and use it to improve your health, either on your own or with help.
[This message edited by SI Staff at 4:42 PM, Thursday, November 10th]
fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sex ap
DDay - 12/22/2010
Recover'd and R'ed
You don't have to like your boundaries. You just have to set and enforce them.
RocketRaccoon ( member #54620) posted at 3:28 AM on Friday, November 11th, 2022
She was one of 5 kids of a poor family that moved around a lot and she was a bit reckless before we met from what I heard.
Kind of explains a bit. The moving around could make a person feel displaced. Like they do not being anywhere. So many siblings which could cause chaos, and lack of parental attention. The reckless behaviour could be a cry for attention (generally, kids act up to get attention), and she hadn't grown out of that behaviour then.
I should have known better what she was capable of.
Don't beat yourself up over this. How would you have known unless you have a hidden talent of clairvoyance that you are not telling us.
Maybe deep down I need to forgive myself for being so as they say love is blind.
As sissoon posted, why would you need to forgive yourself for loving someone? That is hogwash, and you know it. I would think that all of us would have gone through young love, and we see it clearer now, as we have grown older (and hopefully wiser).
I do think that your WW actually did love you, but her self-hate was stronger than her love for you.
ChamomileTea ( Guide #53574) posted at 1:34 PM on Friday, November 11th, 2022
If she's such a crappy person that you feel like you need to forgive yourself for loving her, why not just get a divorce and move on with your life? I can't imagine that either of you could enjoy your life if that's the dynamic between you.
BW: 2004(online EAs), 2014 (multiple PAs)Married 38 years; in R with fWH for 7
No one can make you into a liar but you.
Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 4:31 PM on Friday, November 11th, 2022
I seem to be getting this thing under control, put back in the vault in the back of my mind.
...the feeling like I'm kidding myself...
I just can't seem to get permanency and peace of mind after 23 yrs of knowing about something that happened 35 yrs ago.
I feel like a putz for not being able to get past my situation.
shouldofleft, I think you've got yourself one hell of an internal conflict. You've tried to keep "this thing" in the vault in the back of your mind, all the while knowing you're kidding yourself, and then feeling like a putz for not being able to resolve it.
You "should" have left.
Okay, do you regret that decision?
Do you think you made the wrong choice?
If you could go back in time, would you make a different choice?
If your answers to one or any of the above is "yes," then perhaps it's time to admit that to yourself and figure out what to do next. Putting "this thing" back in the vault in the back of your mind isn't going to help.
D-Day April, 2015
Divorced May, 2022
"The Universe is not short on wake-up calls. We're just quick to hit the snooze button." -Brene Brown
Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 5:54 PM on Friday, November 11th, 2022
I should have known better what she was capable of.
So in the last 10 years of marriage has she not shown something else she is capable of?
I agree with CT – if you truly think so little of your wife then divorce her.
Once again: My tag line…
"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus
shouldofleft (original poster new member #82234) posted at 2:20 PM on Sunday, November 13th, 2022
update, Thank you all for taking the time to share your advice and experience. I'm pretty sure I'm back to normal or back to my normal. Counting blessings and appreciating and acknowledging all the good things my wife has done over the many years of marriage. Once I get out of that depressive state I look back at the past few months and shake my head wondering how the hell did I get there and even more so how the hell did I snap out of it. Bottom line is all is good, hopefully forever, if not see you in a decade or two.
HardKnocks ( member #70957) posted at 3:48 PM on Sunday, November 13th, 2022
Rugsweeping never works (obviously), but best of luck to you!
shouldofleft (original poster new member #82234) posted at 10:53 PM on Sunday, November 13th, 2022
Hard, your right, she has been stellar for 35 years while being questioned for every move she ever made while being a broken up 23 yr old and leaving her makes no sense. I dont believe I swept anything under the rug. I grilled her and she is remorseful for the lies of omission while we were broken up. She saw the pain I went through and acknowledged her part and she has said and done everything possible to help me understand her actions.
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Trdd ( member #65989) posted at 1:27 PM on Monday, November 14th, 2022
Glad to see you are feeling better Shouldofleft.
shouldofleft (original poster new member #82234) posted at 12:52 AM on Thursday, November 24th, 2022
Thank you all and Happy Thanksgiving
jb3199 ( member #27673) posted at 3:16 PM on Thursday, November 24th, 2022
I think that when we KNOW that our issue(s) is a 'me' issue(s), it puts that problem right in our lap......where it needs to be.
Can our partner be of assistance? Sure. But ultimately, we have to settle our internal conflict. Whether that be third party help, more self-knowledge, more self-help....you name it....we have to address it. Easier said than done, but still a LOT easier when we KNOW without a doubt that the issue is now ours and ours alone to resolve.
Hopefully, your 'normal' stays around for at least another 35 years.
Married almost 30yrs.
All work and no play has just cost me my wife--Gary Puckett
Accepting that I can/may end this marriage 7/2/14