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JS84 ( member #48148) posted at 3:24 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

Your wife doesn't sound anywhere near being a safe partner for reconciliation. Her attitude, treatment of you, dismissal of your kids feelings, and basically shoving the OM's feelings in your face while putting yours on the back burner?? Not even close.

A common piece of advice on SI is to pay attention to actions not words. Neither your wife's actions OR words indicate you should even be considering reconciliation with her at this point. Especially if she's just going to spew vitriol in your face when you tell her what you require.

I get you want to save your marriage, at the same time what you want isn't necessarily what you're going to get. You have to reconcile your wants with what reality is handing you, and act accordingly from there.

Continue with the divorce, but as I've told other BS's you've told your wife your requirements, she should be well aware of them at this point, and you should stop bringing them and reconciliation up if all it's going to get you is insults and verbal abuse.

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OrdinaryDude ( member #55676) posted at 3:34 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

...told her I am moving out of this mess with or without her.

Excellent!

Now, stick to that, and do NOT back down from that for any reason.

You are doing what you need to do, and that's getting out of infidelity.

Its completely up to her if she wants to come along by submitting willingly to your boundaries and owning her shit.

Whatever you do, do NOT let her turn it into a negotiation...she has no right to set any boundaries on you as you have been the faithful partner here.

She broke the trust, she has to live with the consequences, one way or the other.

I was young and dumb and stayed with a cheater.

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TimelessLoss ( member #55295) posted at 3:39 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

Yankees,

You are doing incredibly well given her abuse and actions since DD. You are weathering blow after blow.

We only know your wife through what you write in your posts. I believe you can tell from the members' posts that we can develop an accurate composite picture of her. This is because you are able to identify the most outrageous of her statements and pass them on to us.

Her selfishness is evident in the affair itself. Her self image has changed along with her body image, in fact her physical body. These statements from her scream to me that she is so severely self centered to the point that she has lost herself:

I'm sorry you feel that way

This is the best she could muster for her daughter?

she broke his heart for me.

This is her sense of self importance that she can have him back at any time.

Our kids heard and told their mom to leave. She said it's none of their business.

As if they were strangers on a sidewalk hearing the two of you have an argument.

Reconciliation requires remorse. Remorse requires empathy. These statements show someone devoid of empathy. IC offers her a chance to change that.

Whether you D or not is up to you, not her. Whether you R or not is up to you, not her. You are in control of the timetable. It is perfectly fine that you do nothing right now. Her actions will provide you the knowledge you need to guide your decision.

See if you can find a way to give yourself some relief away from her even if only for a day or two. When she says, "See, I knew you were having an affair, you're going to see her.", tell her, "No, you're the only one that has cheated and went to stay with your AP for a week."

Well done on laying out your boundaries and expectations. She is seeing that you are not backing down.

"You've got to learn to leave the table when love is no longer being served"

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 yankees99 (original poster member #57706) posted at 4:17 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

Well I think she needs to leave now. She came home and I had the bedroom door locked and she just started slamming and yelling (kids weren't home. Let her in because I was just sick of the noise.

Told me it's her house too and she'll be damned if she's locked out of her own bedroom. So hostile and just mean called me an asshole.. I don't even recognize her and just wanted to cry. I just left without telling her I was going. I'm at my brothers house at the moment. The kids are asking whar she did to make me leave and am I okay.

Now she's texting me to please come home. I'm worried please stop and come home. I am worried sick. Just text me telling me you're okay. I told her she doesn't give a damn about me so please just sign the papers and we can get the divorce going. She said that's not true and she does care about me. Told me she's not going to sleep until I'm home.

I just want my loving wife back. I need to learn I can't always have what I want. I am not thinking straight. She is just being so hostile towards me. She said if I don't come home she's going to come get me.

[This message edited by yankees99 at 10:25 PM, March 14th (Tuesday)]

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Alchemy ( member #57379) posted at 4:37 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

Well I think she needs to leave now. She came home and I had the bedroom door locked and she just started slamming and yelling (kids weren't home. Let her in because I was just sick of the noise.

Told me it's her house too and she'll be damned if she's locked out of her own bedroom. So hostile and just mean called me an asshole.. I don't even recognize her and just wanted to cry. I just left without telling her I was going. I'm at my brothers house at the moment. The kids are asking whar she did to make me leave and am I okay.

Now she's texting me to please come home. I'm worried please stop and come home. I am worried sick. Just text me telling me you're okay. I told her she doesn't give a damn about me so please just sign the papers and we can get the divorce going. She said that's not true and she does care about me. Told me she's not going to sleep until I'm home.

I just want my loving wife back. I need to learn I can't always have what I want. I am not thinking straight. She is just being so hostile towards me. She said if I don't come home she's going to come get me.

yankee24,

You need to get control of the situation. Some time away from her would help you immensely. Just do it in a way that doesn't expose you to a claim of abandonment (speak to your lawyer).

I also think that filing for D would help you. At the very least, it would let your WW know that she can't bully you into reconciling. You can always put the D on hold if she starts to demonstrate remorse (although, based on what you've told us, I think you have to consider this a long shot).

This is your life, yankee24. Take it back from her.

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OrdinaryDude ( member #55676) posted at 4:41 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

Sounds like she has some serious issues...she needs help.

Find an IC that specializes in infidelity if at all possible.

That may be the only thing that might bring her back from wherever she has wandered off to.

I was young and dumb and stayed with a cheater.

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5454real ( member #37455) posted at 4:51 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

Honestly my friend, your reactions, your kids questions of *what did she do* seem to indicate a pattern.

How long has she been abusing you?

Strength

You're among friends

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DS 31(Mine),SD 29,SS 28(Hers),DS 16 Ours, DGS 11, DGD 8, DGS 3
D=Day #1 5/04EA (Rugswept)
D-Day #2 3/10/12, TT til 3/13/12
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Drumstick ( member #55013) posted at 5:11 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

I have the same question ad 5454real, Y99. Has she always been this selfish, maybe borderline abusive even, to some degree? Po

I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned, but have you read "No More Mr. Nice Guy?" How about "Co-dependent No More?"

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence - John Adams

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 yankees99 (original poster member #57706) posted at 5:24 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

No she was never like this. She was a good caring loving wife. Told me she just had a bad day at work and she's sorry. She has made my life hell for weeks. I was attempting to get drunk but my brother stopped me. I told him and my sister in law the story, it's a shit show now. It's all coming to light now.

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longforgotten ( member #48997) posted at 6:37 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

Told me it's her house too and she'll be damned if she's locked out of her own bedroom. So hostile and just mean called me an asshole..

YEAH... That sounds nothing like remorse, sounds more like contempt!

I just left without telling her I was going. I'm at my brothers house at the moment. The kids are asking what she did to make me leave and am I okay.

So basically your kids know how abusive your wife is, and are wondering if you are alright.

I told her she doesn't give a damn about me so please just sign the papers and we can get the divorce going. She said that's not true and she does care about me. Told me she's not going to sleep until I'm home.

More lying and manipulation.

I just want my loving wife back. I need to learn I can't always have what I want. I am not thinking straight. She is just being so hostile towards me. She said if I don't come home she's going to come get me.

Forget getting your loving wife back. You absolutely are not thinking straight. Don't worry about her coming to get you, worry about your reputation with your kids. If she does try to come and get you, it will only be to save face with the kids and family. Don't give her cheating ass that satisfaction.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 9:16 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

You are a victim of abuse. You need to extract yourself from this situation.

'I am not going to sleep until you get home' is even abusive and manipulative. You need to have her served and to go dark. The lawyer will tell you how/how long to go dark for.

Next time you leave just say 'I am out for the night' then shut your phone off.

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nlwsrw ( member #55828) posted at 9:46 AM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

Hey..sorry about your situation...i've been following every day or so.

You i believe are facilitating her behavior...'draw the red line in the sand immediately'..if papers are filled..then put meat behind it..have a set down with the kids,,formulate a common plan and execute..if kids are in college...send them to their residences..all of you cut all contact with her..move to your brother's if possible...work out long range lodging for you and kids..she may infact end up at OM's place...ok...if so...discuss with your lawyer the options of 'abandoment' as it relates to the primary residence...maybe be able to change locks on house and move back...keep her in 'lock out' mode both physically and emotionally..you and 'dear kids' form a NATO pac..if she attacks one...she attacks all...

Good luck..she currently is controlling all of you and 'winning'...be prepared to go thru with D... your life and 'dear kids' lives are most important..at this point it is NOT about getting her back..it is about your and dear kids' sanity and eventual happiness...it's going to hurt all of you for awhile...but she WILL hurt for ever..but it was HER CHOICE

BEST TO YOU AND ESPECIALLY YOU KIDS

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ChamomileTea ( Moderator #53574) posted at 12:12 PM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

So, the last two interactions you've had with her have been abusive. She's acting like a child who's had her cake taken away and she's throwing a tantrum. Everybody knows her dirt now and she's angry about it.

Too bad. Those are her feelings to feel, not yours. You are at no obligation to be affected by them. You've got enough on your plate feeling your own emotions right now. Do not absorb hers. Take a pause, breathe deeply, identify which emotions are actually yours and separate them from hers. Acknowledge your own feelings, sit with them, observe them, let them pass when they're ready. Emotions are always in flux. They come and go, so no matter how crummy we feel in one moment, a new moment is coming. Be sure of it.

What it looks like from here is that you are re-acting instead of acting. Your actions are yours to choose. Sometimes, yes... it will be in response to hers by necessity. Say, she breaks in the bedroom door, you respond by calling the police or she throws something at you and you respond by ducking. That's kind of an unavoidable, immediate need to react. In all other areas though, you need to avoid being reactive. Be active instead. Decide what it is that you really want to accomplish and work toward those goals.

I'll be honest with you, reconciliation after betrayal is extremely difficult. And as many people have told you here, BOTH partners need to be 100% committed to it. I can't see that either one of you are in a position to do put forward that commitment. For you, the betrayal is still too fresh and you haven't had time to process it or know what it is you really want. For her, she's still of a wayward mindset, trying to control the outcome, focused on herself, and projecting her emotions onto you.

If it weren't for the fact that she's apparently incapable of behaving like a civilized adult, I'd say allow the divorce to proceed while you continue to reside together. Give it time and see how you feel. But if she's throwing things at you, refusing to allow you space, and screaming obscenities at you, that's abusive. Under those circumstances, separation may be a better option.

Just so you know... the longer a couple is separated, the less likely they are to reconcile. That said, when one or both lack self-control and physical/emotional damage is being done, this increases the odds that a separation will become permanent as well, and sometimes on a more sudden basis, say for example a restraining order becomes necessary.

Meanwhile, your kids are of college age, but they're still emotionally immature and need your guidance. They need to understand that their relationship with you is entirely separate from their relationship with their mother and that no matter what is going on between you and your WW, they are still loved by BOTH parents. They need to understand that having a continued relationship with their mother is not a betrayal to you and that everybody is going to be okay. Hard times come and we deal with them, but everything will work out for the best.

Finally, no alcohol. And I mean none. It's a depressant and while it provides temporary relief for your anxiety while you're imbibing, the anxiety rebound is worse than the hangover. If you need help, see your doctor and get some medication which will help relieve your symptoms but not cause that terrible rebound effect.

Hang in there Yankees. You're in a tough situation, but it will pass. Have faith.

BW: 2004(online EAs), 2014 (multiple PAs); Married 40 years; in R with fWH for 10

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wk55hn ( member #44159) posted at 12:33 PM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

Did she talk to her boss about no contact like she said she would?

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Freeme ( member #31946) posted at 1:05 PM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

She said today she is going to her boss and is going to ask to be out of the contract.

She said she had a bad day and took it out on you but didn't mention the above.

I wouldn't move back in unless she promised to get all of her stuff out of the bedroom. You need to have a safe place to go when she goes off if you are going to stay in the same house. You need to be able to lock her out.

I think you did really good leaving the house and talking to your brother to diffuse the situation.

Your wife not only doesn't sound remorseful it sounds like she is blaming you for all the repercussions of her affair. You made her break OM heart. Those texts last night were all about how unfair this is to her... she can't sleep, she is worried, she wants you home...You are making her quit her job...

Do you have any idea how long the affair with OM was/is?

I know you want her to be safe but now is not the time to tell HER about OM. She will take it as you badmouthing OM, you lying to look good, you being jealous, you not understanding OM... She will not take it at face value... OM has a criminal record.

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redsox13 ( member #43391) posted at 2:49 PM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

Not sure what state you are in, but I did pass the Bar in New York.

Be very careful of leaving like you did. If there a custody fight that can be used.

I have been right where you are. I wish you the best.

BS - 45
fWW - 43
Simply getting better.

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OrdinaryDude ( member #55676) posted at 3:03 PM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

He has nothing to worry about leaving for the evening...he isn't the one that shacked up with the AP for a week, so she would be the one that needs to be careful.

I was young and dumb and stayed with a cheater.

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wk55hn ( member #44159) posted at 3:25 PM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

The kids are young adults in college.

[This message edited by wk55hn at 9:26 AM, March 15th (Wednesday)]

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 yankees99 (original poster member #57706) posted at 4:03 PM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

I stayed the night at my brothers house. I have to go back home today as I can't run forever. The kids said their mom was drinking and crying. Text from her telling me that she went to her boss about leaving but now has to get a lawyer because it might not be that easy. They need to find a replacement for her.

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OrdinaryDude ( member #55676) posted at 4:11 PM on Wednesday, March 15th, 2017

[This message edited by OrdinaryDude at 10:13 AM, March 15th (Wednesday)]

I was young and dumb and stayed with a cheater.

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