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DeWittle ( member #50857) posted at 2:24 AM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

No matter what advice you get here, it is 100% your life and only you need to live in it. Take what you need and leave the rest. There is no one way to handle this trauma.

This^^^^^^^^ Equals: YOU are the quarterback on the field. If you feel you need to step away, I wish you well, sir.

There is a lot of information in the Heeling Library, yellow box upper left of the page, please read in your down time, we’re talking Dr Phil type stuff in there. Good Luck Brother.

[This message edited by DeWittle at 11:57 PM, March 1st (Friday)]

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paboy ( member #59482) posted at 7:27 AM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

Don't be too complacent. Although you have extended the Olive branch so early, still ensure all the work is done. NC letter is done She attends IC first before you do MC A timeline is completed to your satisfaction She reads the books that have been indicated and all the other good advice that have been given you There are plenty of old but wise sayings that you best consider Better safe than sorry One stitch in time saves nine Hope for the best prepare for the worse are but a few.

Hoping the best for you

[This message edited by paboy at 1:30 AM, March 2nd (Saturday)]

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ShutterHappy ( member #64318) posted at 9:14 AM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

Analogy time!

You’ve been living in Paradise City for a long time. One morning, you wake up in Infidelity Ciy. WTH???

Dazed, confused, you’re not sure what to do. That city is dark, confusing, depressing, no road sign, you want to get out of there, but you’re not sure how. Most get losts around that place. Sure, there was this spaceguy (or was it a ghost?) who just used his communicator and got teleported, But well, for most ordinary involuntary tourist, it’s the long road.

Along come some more experienced tourists, some of them who have been here many times, that give you direction. “You can follow Main Street there and cross D bridge further down or there’re a parallel street, 1st avenue, that will eventually lead you to R bridge. If you see some road blocks, just take a side street, and switch road,you’ll get out anyways. As long as you don’t run in circle, you’ll be fine.

Most directions were clear, some more useful than other (what do you mean I should put the pillow 3 inches more to the left on the back seat?) but you feel you have a good handle of things and you”ll take it from there.

If it turns out that you end up on “maim” street, let us know. Otherwise, have a safe trip!

Me: BH
Divorced, remarried.
I plan on living forever. So far so good

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steadychevy ( member #42608) posted at 11:56 AM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

I fear for you, Bahama. I don't believe she's at remorse yet. Huge regret, perhaps. Regret at getting caught, found out. Regret that her life is falling apart and her AP is tied up in his own drama. Regret that there would be consequences. Remember, she was cold until she went to see her lawyer who told her, according to her, that you should try to work it out. She went to a lawyer to see if she could end it with you with little pain for her.

Perhaps I'm jaded. I hope I'm wrong. This is a very common situation and is damage control, though. She's blaming you for her having sex with someone else. Blameshifting. And you should be a good guy and buy into her narrative.

I hope and pray you can come back here and show us here that we were wrong. If we weren't we will still be here for you. Actions over words. Best wishes.

BH(me)72(now); XWW 64; M 42 yrsDDay1-01/09/13;DDay2-26/10/13;DDay3-19/12/13;DDay4-21/01/14LTA-09/02-06/06? OM - COW 4 years; "dates" w/3 lovers post engagement;ONS w/stranger post commitment, lies, lies, liesSeparated 23/09/2017; D 16/03/2020

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Lifeexploded ( member #51196) posted at 1:56 PM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

I am sorry, but I just dont see how a WW goes from the affair tree thing to all in and devoted to her marriage within one week. This is coming from someone who felt the same way in the first months. Surely, MY marriage was different. It wasnt. I hope she is genuine, but I really dont think she is. Please be careful, and remember:

TRUST ACTIONS ONLY, WORDS MEAN NOTHING.

Married for 19.5 years to a sex addict. Filed for divorce 4/15/2020. Freedom July 22, 2020!

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longsadstory1952 ( member #29048) posted at 2:36 PM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

You have barely scratched the surface of the depth of feelings she has for om. It will take a long time to work through them.

Her contempt for you that she expressed is real and took years for her to mature. It hasn't gone away because she got caught jumping another. This is a serious issue that must be addressed no matter how she now says she feels about her FB.

This is a golden opportunity for you to take back some of the power in your M. Get back into your specialty. This wake up call shows you that you need independence from her financially.

Do not go back to the norms assuming things will be better. They won't be. If she is not living the work every day she will be mentally back to her former ways, which is taking you for granted.

[This message edited by longsadstory1952 at 8:37 AM, March 2nd (Saturday)]

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TheGuy123 ( member #59235) posted at 3:06 PM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

Here's something else I learned from infidelity....Bad behavior continues with out consequences.

So when you get done screwing the hell out of your old lady and reclaim her (hysterical bonding) you have to punish her.

Lets face it you guys are spending the weekend in bed and rewarding her for the A, but in the end game if you sweep this under the carpet it's just a matter of time she does this again.

If your old lady sees the same husband she disrespected weeks ago you are screwed.

So trust me when I tell you this...she must see a husband that won't take any more of her shyt….so when she asks you a question you tell her exactly what you want no matter what the question is.

[This message edited by TheGuy123 at 9:11 AM, March 2nd (Saturday)]

Once both spouses just stop caring...anything can happen and usually does.

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 3:18 PM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

I am sorry, but I just dont see how a WW goes from the affair tree thing to all in and devoted to her marriage within one week.

They don't. But her starting down the path is enough.

I did this. The disrespect before. The fast forgiveness after. And then the long slog that follows.

We can have fears one way or another, but he is committed on a path, and the truth will emerge one way or another. He's taken a leap of faith, which is always eventually required if you want to heal.

Bahama, if she takes this on as life's big wakeup call, and I hope she does, you will do well. Keep encouraging her, but don't forget your own welfare.

There will be life before, and life after the affair, with a yawning chasm between.

Sending strength!

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver

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Tamers1955 ( new member #52802) posted at 3:44 PM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

Hope you get what you are looking for ,but don't quite see how she has come around to feeling terrible for hurting you and your children.Could it be something her lawyer told her that sharpened her view of her future .No other man no husband ,and seeing her children part time and having to work and pay for the privilege ? Hope I am wrong

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beenthereinco ( member #56409) posted at 5:14 PM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

Not even sure if OP is seeing any of this any more but I was looking back at this whole thread and saw that you said she said this:

I feel like I've become just a paycheck to you.

To me this is a dangerous statement that you need to think about. If she said that it has been in her mind. She pulled it out when it was convenient for her during the confrontation but she was and likely still is thinking this. I'm not sure that contrition over the A, if she is truly remorseful, will help get this feeling out of her mind and I wonder also how you feel about it. Something to explore. Maybe your marriage would improve if you got a job. She'd have less time to be the triathlete because she'd need to pick up more childcare responsibility and you might feel better about yourself. Just something to think about. I'm not trying to be sexist here, this same feeling can go the other way, I just think it is always healthier of both spouses have a feeling of equality in what is put into the marriage. If you feel inferior or she feels superior in the relationship because of financial contribution then maybe changing that would help and you'd get the added benefit of being less dependent if she is not as remorseful as you think.

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NuckingFuts ( member #47618) posted at 5:56 PM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

On the other hand, his lack of a job is what is making the divorce too expensive to her. If he gets a job he'll no longer be the primary care-giver, losing that custody advantage, and will no longer qualify for as much alimony.

In most cases I would say he needs a job, but in a case like this where I believe the only reason she isn't discarding him like yesterdays newspaper is how much it will cost her I think he needs to wait at least a couple of years to see if she's actually remorseful before making any changes.

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MickeyBill2016 ( member #56459) posted at 7:59 PM on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019

She came down also and looked at me and said "God, do we have to talk again right now?" I looked at her with the most stable, honest face and said no.

The evening goes from this to being forgiven. A week ago she was doing a divorce tree...

I bet she has no idea what to do , what she wants or much else right now. Her love life and family life are both in shambles as her lover has dumped her, her lawyer (not her) suggested to try to make it work, her dollhouse is a mess, her husband has stepped up and taken some control of the situation and she is not really used to that...

Both of your emotions are going crazy, this is a good "break" in the affair situation but far from being on the road to R. You now have before and after DDay. Time to take stock of the M after some hysterical bonding.

I hope that things work out. You both have a lot to work on, so far she has no consequences for her A.

If you need to stay away from SI it's understandable, but Si is here if you need it.

9 years married.
13 years divorced.

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TheGuy123 ( member #59235) posted at 1:38 AM on Sunday, March 3rd, 2019

I hope you caught DoesItEverStop's recent thread?

This is the other side of the coin from my experience.

That experience is what we all caution you about and in fact my experience seems to be rare, the common theme here is similar....false R and repeated deceit.

It sucks but please find the balance that is required to have the confidence to make her submit to what you need to heal, stop rewarding her for her past choices, and the grace for forgiveness....a gift she should bend over back ward for!

Once both spouses just stop caring...anything can happen and usually does.

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Trdd ( member #65989) posted at 4:35 AM on Sunday, March 3rd, 2019

But there are also stories here of WS being in the fog for months but finally realizing what they had done and becoming truly remorseful. Several very thoughtful WS that post here to help others were in that boat.

The dynamics are too complex to predict what will happen. But the need to see the core actions for successful R is well documented and can be counted on.

Adapt the process to your own situation but don't change it so much that you can't recognize it.

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TheGuy123 ( member #59235) posted at 7:53 AM on Sunday, March 3rd, 2019

I think he had a solid confrontation. Were as the OBS confronted way back and with jack shyt and they all laughed it off.

Granted no one know what his WW is thinking but I believe she knows what the end game is and if she phucks the OM again it better be worth the alimony and child support she will be forking out.

At confrontation....

I think most guys will bail on their AP and stay with their old lady. But I also think most chicks will bail on their old man to be with their AP.

I mean there are no set rules here but a wayward will bail the A if it benefits them.....think about it....it's a selfish motivation to do what's best for them.

I really think the length of the "fog" after the confrontation depends on the way the betrayed confronts.

Once both spouses just stop caring...anything can happen and usually does.

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MrRadical ( new member #69908) posted at 9:04 PM on Sunday, March 3rd, 2019

just remember she HAS to heal you. not the other way around. tell her its a process that could take years with no guaranteed ending. methinks she is going to try to rugsweep…..

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NuckingFuts ( member #47618) posted at 9:37 PM on Sunday, March 3rd, 2019

You might want to consider a post-nup.

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Unbroken78 ( member #68860) posted at 9:54 PM on Sunday, March 3rd, 2019

Brother-

It's hard to stay true to reality when your heart pulls you so hard. You love your wife and your life...you want the life you had to be real.

Hard truth...it was a lie...and you know it.

You have real pain to process. It can hurt a lot for a short time or it can hurt forever while you try to soothe it with fantasy love that isn't real and can't be trusted.

Write yourself a list of known facts.

She cheated...a lot.

She lied...a lot.

She blamed you...a lot.

She planned a life with the other man.

She planned to dump you via decision tree and leave your life in ashes along with your kid...

She planned to destroy you and replace you.

She met with a DIVORCE LAWYER...to destroy you after cheating on you.

Only after finding out how her plan would fail, did she magically become so sad and weak. When she thought she had power...she was a dragon.

What does that say about her character?

What would she be doing right now if she had the power to actually execute her original plan?

Where would she be right now if it had worked?

Where would you be?

What life situation would you be facing forever...?

We've seen it plenty of times...the "I love you" after plan A crashed and burned. You ain't plan A.

There will be another plan A and plan A will be better next time as she learned the flaws in her plan.

Think with your head.

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 Bahama (original poster member #69853) posted at 10:56 PM on Sunday, March 3rd, 2019

I'm still here.

I don't really feel like writing an elaborate novel about the last 48 hours. I just wanted to stay semi-connected to this group for perspective. I could type all day on here and you all would not be able to see the situation through my eyes. In my interactions with my WW, only I have the intimate knowledge of reading her and the situation. Could I be duped? Sure. But right now I feel like I have also come out of a fog. A fog of denial? I'm in control and laser focused on it all.

Updates since my last post:

WW and I have both been wrecks. She has expressed both regret and remorse for what's happened. I would almost describe her look as "shell shocked". She's having a hard time coming to grips with the reality of what she's done now that the fantasy is over. She is taking a lot of action, most unsolicited by me, to try and help comfort me and stabilize the situation.

She has written a NC letter to her AP and included the OBS and I on it. I had asked her to do this earlier, but had not asked again. It was just as it needed to be. Not emotional, just to the point. It just relayed in plain terms that she'd made the the biggest mistake of her life by having the A and that it was over forever. I was surprised by the layer of relief it gave me to read it. Just today I also was copied onto the NC letter from her AP. Her AP also sent me a private email apologizing for what he had done.

We've talked about her visit to the lawyer and I believe she's being truthful. She said she went as I suspected on the urging of her parents after she expressed concern about the financial misunderstandings to them. She was fearful I was going to take the money and leave her. I asked her point blank if the reason she said the lawyer told her to try and work it out was because of the financial damage it would do to her. She said that it was something that hit home, but that wasn't the reason. She said she wanted to see if we could try to fix this based on her discussion, not about finances, but about me and our family. She said the lawyer was asking her questions about me to see if there was any leverage there for her. "Is he a good husband? Has he every been physically abusive to you? Emotionally abusive? Abusive to the kids? Does he fulfill his responsibilities around the home? etc." She said she burst into tears in his office when she could only say there was nothing there to use. She said it hit home what a good husband I actually was. It hit home what she had put at risk.

She has proactively kept me in the loop with all of her communications and encouraged me to spy on her as much as I feel I need to. I've looked at her phone and electronics in front of her and all the corrective work to eliminate communication channels has been done. I admit I also had looked at her phone without her knowledge before this and found she had deleted her contact with the AP. I scrolled through the call records and found the last one with the AP's number where she last spoke to him before the confrontation. I opened the contact info for the number and it was not attached to his name. It also showed that the number had been blocked by her from being able to be received. I'm not reading too much into this. I know underground channels could be in place, but this was still a tiny something. I will continue to be vigilant.

She's been reading "After the Affair" without me asking. I had ordered a hard copy of a different book for her, and she said she didn't want to wait and just got the ebook of what she thought I had ordered. Despite working 12-hour shifts in a hectic environment, she's been consuming it. She also gently suggested that I might get something from it and that it was on her laptop if I wanted to read a little too. I did today and while some of it was hard to read, painful, it was also very comforting and helpful as it gave some understanding to my thoughts, and also hers.

She's been over the top telling me exactly where she is, when she's leaving work, if she needs to stop at the store, etc. She said she's never going to go for a run or bike ride again without me without activating the live fitness tracker feature with our workout programs.

She's turned off her Facebook. She said it was a time suck and that she needed to be present here.

She's given me a rough verbal time frame for the A. I haven't asked for more or anything in writing as some here have suggested I demand. I don't know that I want it. At least not right now. I asked how it happened the first time they got physical and she says that the AP initiated the contact. She described it as an out of body experience that took her by surprise and she doesn't know why she didn't stop it. I asked how she felt afterwards. How she felt when she returned home to me and the girls. She cried and said she felt nothing but soul crushing guilt and shame. I asked how she could continue seeing him with those feelings. She just said she didn't know. She said it was like she was in a dream. She said that it was just making her feel happy for the first time in years and couldn't stop. There's more to discuss here, but neither of us could handle it at the time.

She keeps checking in on me from her work to see if I'm alright. This is heartfelt. My BS alarm is hypersensitive right now, and I believe her inquiries are genuine.

She keeps coming up to me an hugging me out of the blue. Even if she's mid-task sometimes she will just stop and walk over to me for a hug. Most of these are accompanied by heartfelt "I'm so sorry." comments.

She sought out and has set up individual counseling, as have I. We both agree that we need IC before we consider MC, but know that we will eventually go to MC.

She's been purging all memories of her AP. All photos on phones, computers, etc. Any small nick knacks that have a connection to the AP. I've been doing the same. As some point we will need to do this together. Try to eliminate triggers. Make plans to avoid them.

She has shown some very dark and negative feelings towards herself. So strong that I'm watching her closely. She says she takes all the blame and hates the horrible person she's become. I listen and try to remind her that she's not a horrible person. I would not have married a horrible person. I express anger and hurt for what action she took with the A, but also know who she is. She fucked up. She fucked up big time. Time will tell when it comes to full forgiveness.

All of these actions, observations, and discussions have helped me to feel a little better. I'm still in pain. I'm still angry. But at times, I've been able to think about something else aside from the situation. I'm eating again. I was prescribed some antidepressants but haven't taken them yet. I'm off the anti anxiety meds and I feel I've got some basic control of my mind and body again. I'm thinking more clearly. I've been staying busy including getting a little bit of exercise. It truly is a roller coaster ride as many have described. I'm sleeping without aids.

I feel that we both know that we are in a bad spot. That our marriage is on life support. That the task of even trying to fix it is going to be the biggest challenge of our lives.

I have asked her to begin thinking about a plan of action that she can share with me for how she is going to try to repair what she's done. For how she's going to repair me. Repair our home.

The dust is starting to settle. The aftermath of the explosion will become more evident in time I'm sure.

For now I'm cautiously hopeful. One day at a time. So much for not writing a novel I guess....

One day at a time, one moment at a time.

D-Day 2/22/19
Confrontation 2/25/19

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Unbroken78 ( member #68860) posted at 11:11 PM on Sunday, March 3rd, 2019

You are in a hard place. Best of luck to you.

I'll be honest here...and take this for what it's worth as a random stranger on the internet...

That sounds like a lot of Plan A got blown up and Plan B would be expensive to divorce...so better love bomb Plan B and throw some overt examples of sadness/victimhood/can't remember/wasn't me/never stopped loving you/so confused/so sorry/flattery/and how about a BJ to make you feel better.

Respectfully...she showed you who she is. She showed you what she values.

You learned that lesson in pain and tears.

Forget that lesson and take back the cause of that pain...and you are very likely to learn it again, harder next time.

Cheaters lie. They lie a lot more and fake a lot more when they think their safety net is going to get yanked out from under them. She lost Plan A...and now you are Plan B and thinking about taking that away from her. Of course she will put on the show to keep her last option.

Just remember...you were not the first choice...you were the fallback plan. She showed you this and showed it via evidence...not words. Words are lies. Evidence is real.

When dealing with a wayward, always watch the actions and what they say to others when they think you can't see them or hear them.

Evidence...not explanations. Head, not heart.

Good luck to you. I hope you find peace.

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