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CaptainRogers (original poster member #57127) posted at 8:40 PM on Sunday, October 11th, 2020
This is the week. The week of preparation for our Adult Sunday school class. I've been the "even" guy, but next week, my teaching partner is out of town, so I get to teach "Do not commit adultery."
This isn't a canned curriculum that we are using. I get to write the lesson all on my own. There's some fun research!
Today, my wife learned for the first time that I'm teaching the class, not just sitting in. She thought that, since I had the evens, I would be sitting through the class as a participant. Today, I got to tell her that no, I am teaching next week as my partner is out of town.
So, although I didn't think that this far out I would be feeling the stress of planning the class...well, I am. I know that I'll be able to "get through" teaching it. I've been on panels that have discussed marriage issues and infidelity has been a topic. I know how to switch into teacher mode and then let it all out after class.
But, boy am I feeling the stress of playing the lesson.
Thanks for listening to the stream of consciousness. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
BS: 42 on D-day
WW: 43 on D-day
Together since '89; still working on what tomorrow will bring.
D-Day v1.0: Jan '17; EA
D-day v2.0: Mar '18; no, it was physical
HFSSC ( member #33338) posted at 9:43 PM on Sunday, October 11th, 2020
Please note: I know that not everyone believes the same thing and I’m not inviting debate on the merits of religion or faith. This was and is my experience. YMMV and probably will.
When JM and I first separated, I was teaching our SS class. And the entire month of lessons was from the book of Hosea. I was FURIOUS. I went to my pastor and said, “I can’t teach this.” He said, “Yes, you can.” I said, “Well, I won’t do it.” And he said, “You can and you will. Because you made a commitment to God and to this church to teach.” He went on to say that nothing about my situation was a surprise to God.
Oh, how I grumbled through that month. But one Sunday as I was talking about Hosea’s wife, I realized I was no better than her. Which led me to a place where I knew I was no better than my H. That moment was the key to opening my heart to the possibility of R.
I know you’re at a much different place in your R than I was at that time. But I hope that this will be something that brings you closer together as you consider the impossibility of righteousness under the Law and the miracles of grace and redemption.
Me, 56
Him, 48 (JMSSC)
Married 26 years. Reconciled.
CaptainRogers (original poster member #57127) posted at 10:01 PM on Sunday, October 11th, 2020
I've had more than one opportunity to see where I was to teach on something that was the perfect subject at the perfect time. More than once, I couldn't have put everything like that together if I tried (which is why I'm not in charge of things like that 😄
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Just wasn't quite expecting the stress to sit on my shoulders as heavily as it is. But, I don't have broad shoulders for nothing...
Can't imagine having to teach through Hosea, though. Woof!
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BS: 42 on D-day
WW: 43 on D-day
Together since '89; still working on what tomorrow will bring.
D-Day v1.0: Jan '17; EA
D-day v2.0: Mar '18; no, it was physical
Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 10:19 PM on Sunday, October 11th, 2020
I hope you will be blunt and unvarnished - speak truth and let people know that adultery is abuse.
"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."
BH: 50, WW: 49 Wed: Feb.'96 DDAY1: 12.20.16 DDAY2: 12.23.19
CaptainRogers (original poster member #57127) posted at 10:41 PM on Sunday, October 11th, 2020
There is certainly the unvarnished aspect of adultery and not allowing the "shades of gray" parts. Thus far, I have moved more to discussing what marriage is supposed to be/represent and how adultery "unpaints" that picture.
BS: 42 on D-day
WW: 43 on D-day
Together since '89; still working on what tomorrow will bring.
D-Day v1.0: Jan '17; EA
D-day v2.0: Mar '18; no, it was physical
Justsomeguy ( member #65583) posted at 11:29 PM on Sunday, October 11th, 2020
Yup. I use to teach a short story called "The Painted Door". Spoiler, the husband finds his wife in bed with another man and kills himself. I leave that one off the syllabus now.
I'm an oulier in my positions.
Me:57 STBXWW:55 DD#1: false confession of EA Dec. 2016. False R for a year.DD#2: confessed to year long PA Dec. 2 2017 (was about to be outed)Called it off and filed. Denied having an affair in court papers.
Divorced
CaptainRogers (original poster member #57127) posted at 11:41 PM on Sunday, October 11th, 2020
Certainly understand why, JSG.
BS: 42 on D-day
WW: 43 on D-day
Together since '89; still working on what tomorrow will bring.
D-Day v1.0: Jan '17; EA
D-day v2.0: Mar '18; no, it was physical
Mindjob ( member #54650) posted at 4:42 AM on Monday, October 12th, 2020
Noting quite like personal experience to gain a bit of perspective on the love of God, eh?
"For even when we were yet enemies..."
I don't get enough credit for *not* being a murderous psychopath.
CaptainRogers (original poster member #57127) posted at 7:57 AM on Monday, October 12th, 2020
Amen, my brother! Amen indeed!
Good to hear from you, Mindjob! How you doing, my friend?
BS: 42 on D-day
WW: 43 on D-day
Together since '89; still working on what tomorrow will bring.
D-Day v1.0: Jan '17; EA
D-day v2.0: Mar '18; no, it was physical
WilliamM ( member #60910) posted at 4:01 PM on Monday, October 12th, 2020
I bet this will be one of your best teachings. How has your wife reacted since she learned you will teach this clash?
Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 4:22 PM on Monday, October 12th, 2020
Thou shalt not commit adultery and here's why!
If it were me, I think I'd talk about my own journey. I'm absolutely certain that such a degree of vulnerability would be frightening. On the other hand, nothing speaks like experience. You know? You can't fake your way through this shit.
Plan the lesson? Brother, you've been planning this lesson for nearly three years. Think of the lessons you've learned here and the wisdom you've gained.
Maybe the "stress sitting on your shoulders" is the fear that teaching this class is going to be a mini-vacation in Triggersville. At least, I'm sure it would be for me.
So, let's break this down. How many lessons do you have? Nightly? Twice a week?
What does infidelity do to the wayward?
What does infidelity do to the betrayed?
How does it affect the family?
How does it affect one's relationship with G-d?
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Married 2005
D-Day April, 2015
Divorced May, 2022
"The Universe is not short on wake-up calls. We're just quick to hit the snooze button." -Brene Brown
Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 4:55 PM on Monday, October 12th, 2020
After justsomeguy posted about “the painted door” I read the story. I had never read this one. It describes almost perfectly the wayward thought process, the false narrative she has concocted (expecting her husband to read her mind) and the intellectual laziness and selfish need for ego kibbles that allows her to sin.
The WW realizes too late with dawning horror what she has done. It also describes the steady faithfulness of a good man she took for granted, as well as the “insolent” nature of the WW’s AP who is perfectly content to come into their home and defile it.
I’m not the “plodding” rancher described in the story as the betrayed husband, but in many respects I felt I could relate to this metaphorical story.
I’ve talked elsewhere about how adultery is abuse and akin to a form of rape. In some ways I think it’s a soul murder too. BS’s can heal and get out mojo back but for a time it feels as if our WS has murdered our heart and soul.
This story did a good job of portraying the compound abusive nature of adultery — as well as the intentionality of the WW.
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"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."
BH: 50, WW: 49 Wed: Feb.'96 DDAY1: 12.20.16 DDAY2: 12.23.19
Westway ( member #71747) posted at 6:24 PM on Monday, October 12th, 2020
Justsomeguy
Yup. I use to teach a short story called "The Painted Door". Spoiler, the husband finds his wife in bed with another man and kills himself. I leave that one off the syllabus now.
I remember that short story from college, by Sinclair Ross. I did a report on it. Very sad tale. I think they made a short film from it too.
[This message edited by Westway at 12:26 PM, October 12th (Monday)]
Me: 52;
XWW: 50 y.o. serial cheater
Married 22 years, Together 24
2 Daughters: aged 16 and 20
DDay: 9/20/19
Divorced 12/03/20.
sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 7:04 PM on Monday, October 12th, 2020
I think I understand being stressed by this, CR.
Experience is the best teacher ... but exactly how can you best use your experience? How will you keep yourself from saying what you don't want to say? Or is what you don't want to say exactly what you need to say and what the class needs to hear?
It's not your shoulders that will get you through this, but you know that.
Next Sunday could be a peak experience for you and the attendees. I wish you the best.
fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sex apDDay - 12/22/2010Recover'd and R'edYou don't have to like your boundaries. You just have to set and enforce them.
CaptainRogers (original poster member #57127) posted at 7:24 PM on Monday, October 12th, 2020
Her response has been supportive, if not a little timid. Her initial reaction was "Ohh...so you're teaching it...you going to be OK?" and that's been it. Didn't expect a lot more since she had just gotten back from a week-long trip with most of the kids to see her family.
Two parts of craziness to this lesson:
A. It's a single, 45-minute lesson
2. No one in this class knows about the past (nearly) 4 years
The biggest pieces I'm going to hit on are why the prescribed "penalty" in the OT was death (basically, why was adultery considered a capital offense) and how has it increased in society in the last 100 years & what has been the result?
So, most of those questions, Unhinged, will get answered in that 45 minutes, as well as the question of how does infidelity depict the Church?
There will certainly be things that aren't shied away from, including the statistics from Barna that say infidelity is just as present inside the church as it is outside the church. I thought about doing the whole "look to your left - look to your right" thing to then go with "statistically speaking, two of the three of you have been affected by infidelity in some way".
That should get people thinking!
BS: 42 on D-day
WW: 43 on D-day
Together since '89; still working on what tomorrow will bring.
D-Day v1.0: Jan '17; EA
D-day v2.0: Mar '18; no, it was physical
HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 8:39 PM on Monday, October 12th, 2020
If you teach it with a focus on those who get caught, or what happens when you get caught, then you are teaching to the minority audience. Because the majority of adulterers never get caught and they take it to the grave.
I thought about doing the whole "look to your left - look to your right" thing to then go with "statistically speaking, two of the three of you have been affected by infidelity in some way".
Definitely.
Or you could just pick a story line from here (not your own) and use it as a case study. Maybe 2-3 of them, highlighting a couple of aspects. Include one with a religious figure.
DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.
“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver
Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 9:22 PM on Monday, October 12th, 2020
You could talk about what happens when a WS doesn’t get caught and takes it to the grave and the poison it invites into families nonetheless.
"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."
BH: 50, WW: 49 Wed: Feb.'96 DDAY1: 12.20.16 DDAY2: 12.23.19
CaptainRogers (original poster member #57127) posted at 9:52 PM on Monday, October 12th, 2020
This is why I need a month of Sundays for this topic. Woooo!
BS: 42 on D-day
WW: 43 on D-day
Together since '89; still working on what tomorrow will bring.
D-Day v1.0: Jan '17; EA
D-day v2.0: Mar '18; no, it was physical
Thissucks5678 ( member #54019) posted at 1:46 PM on Tuesday, October 13th, 2020
One thing that might be nice for people to hear/learn is how hard it is for the people going through it. I have a male acquaintance who is going through it and my WH and I are pretty close with one of his best friends. The friend we are close with knows about me but still struggles to be empathetic with his best friend. He wants him to just get over it and move on and doesn’t want to hear about it anymore. Normally this guy is very empathetic, but when it comes to infidelity, he’s very lacking.
I don’t know how you could incorporate that into your lesson, just a thought I had. I know how lonely it can be when dday first hits and people around you just don’t get it. Good luck with your class.
DDay: 6/2016
“Every test in our life makes us Bitter or Better. Every problem comes to Break Us or Make Us. The choice is ours whether to be Victim or Victor.” - unknown
HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 2:26 PM on Tuesday, October 13th, 2020
That's a good idea...teach a course on how to help someone get through it. You're not in their face accusing them of it, just explaining that when their relative or neighbor encounters it, this is what they are going through and what you need to do to help. The subliminal message of don't do it yourself will come through too.
DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.
“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver
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