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Gender inclusive language?

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FaithFool posted 4/22/2021 14:25 PM

Attaining equality shouldn't involve stoking hate, which is what this particular transwoman politician is known for doing in a very disingenuous way.

She will drop information on social media and urge her very vocal group of followers to show up to harass and intimidate women gathering for discussion.

One particular transwoman has become quite notorious for terrorizing immigrant women who refuse to give her a Brazilian because they don't deal with male genitalia in their home-based business.

These women were so traumatized they chose going out of business over further harassment via human rights tribunals.

This individual has also tried to sue gynecologists for refusing service.

Trans folk have every right to be who they are, that's not even a question. However, there's advocacy, and then there is hate. That's not the way to foster goodwill IMO.

BraveSirRobin posted 4/22/2021 14:39 PM

I agree. This sounds like an asshole, irrespective of gender.

DevastatedDee posted 4/22/2021 14:48 PM

I don't know who this person is. The transworld I'm aware of here is the one where if you're trans, you're lying, insane, going to hell, should get the shit beaten out of you, are a rape suspect for even existing, are just gay and acting silly, should have no rights, only identify that way because you want to play women's basketball, just need attention, so on and so forth.

If you have a trans badass who is being confrontational like that, you know...sometimes that's what is needed. It doesn't make her right, but it does maybe drag things more to the middle when you have an extremist. Minorities are so often told to sit down and shut up and stop making everyone so uncomfortable with their existences. Let us pretend that things are as they always have been and keep yourself in your place. If such attitudes have driven someone to defiance and anger and they have a public platform, that's probably what it takes to get things done.

I have no sympathy for the "but my feelings trump your rights" thing. When I see a transwoman in the bathroom, I prepare to join her in battle if anyone says anything because this woman has taken more than enough shit from those who think she shouldn't exist and I'm not here for it. If she went into the men's room, she'd likely get beaten up and hey, maybe raped. She endures more hatred than I ever will. Maybe I got the period cramps and have to worry about menopause, but she got despised for existing, so she has more than paid her dues to be a woman. Honestly, if you had to logically choose whether to be female or male in this society, you'd choose male all day long. So to want to be female is pretty big.

And, you know, as a woman, the idea that the only thing that matters about me is what my genitals look like is offensive. It reduces me to a vagina and ovaries. I'm a person. We have laws here proposed that would allow school officials to look at the genitals of a student to confirm their gender. I cannot fully express the wrath of God that would come down from me upon any school official who looked at my daughter's trans friend's crotch and I'm not even her parent.

It doesn't surprise me that Canada might be more accepting than the US is of...anything. I say good on you guys. It ain't that pretty here.

FaithFool posted 4/22/2021 16:06 PM

Minorities are so often told to sit down and shut up and stop making everyone so uncomfortable with their existences.

Yes, and this is what's happening when women gathering to talk are labelled with a hateful acronym, shut down and driven out with death threats and intimidation. It isn't right.

DevastatedDee posted 4/22/2021 17:34 PM

I'm not okay with death threats. I'm also not okay with people suddenly acting like victims as soon as a marginalized group starts getting rights. I'm not victimized by "pregnant people". I don't give a shit what any particular woman's genitals look like. The only reason I worry about anyone's genitals is if I'm having sex with them. As I don't have sex with women, it doesn't matter to me what they have going on down there. The only way a trans-man's genitals affect me is if I'm dating that person. Otherwise, so totally does not matter and isn't my business.

Whomever this person you guys are talking about is, she might be a nut. There are nuts in every possible configuration of people. I don't like anyone killing an animal to threaten people (the killing of the animal alone is uncool). But hateful acronyms can sometimes be earned by what those groups gathered together actually stand for. I can think of tons of groups of people who stand for bigoted stuff. If that's what you stand for, don't be offended when it's pointed out.

DragnHeart posted 4/22/2021 17:42 PM

What about the woman who ended up closing shop because they were being harrassed to do Brazilians on the male genitals of trans woman?

Or a gynocologist being sued for not having a transwoman patient? If they don't have the parts why need a gynocologist? Even those who have had the surgery, it doesn't include the internal parts does it? Couldn't a regular GP work?

Arent they (wax ladies and doc) being treated inappropriately?

DragnHeart posted 4/22/2021 17:52 PM

I'm not victimized by "pregnant people

I dont feel victimized by it. I feel its incorrect and misleading language.

When in medical school the terms and language they use is technical and very specific.

When i was going to have the birds and bees talk with my twins, one male the other female, i didn't say some people menstruate. I said females do. This eliminates the possibility for the boy to think that he's going to bleed out his penis

Luckily they have witnessed enough animal mating practices to understand the ins and outs of reproduction and an older sister who has started puberty.

WalkinOnEggshelz posted 4/22/2021 17:56 PM

DevastatedDee posted 4/22/2021 18:04 PM

What about the woman who ended up closing shop because they were being harrassed to do Brazilians on the male genitals of trans woman?
Or a gynocologist being sued for not having a transwoman patient? If they don't have the parts why need a gynocologist? Even those who have had the surgery, it doesn't include the internal parts does it? Couldn't a regular GP work?

Arent they (wax ladies and doc) being treated inappropriately?

Who is this so that I can google it and read what in the world happened?

DragnHeart posted 4/22/2021 18:06 PM

Faithfool mentioned these two situations.

DevastatedDee posted 4/22/2021 18:06 PM

I dont feel victimized by it. I feel its incorrect and misleading language.

If you believe that it is incorrect, then you dispute the existence of trans-men. Right?

DragnHeart posted 4/22/2021 18:06 PM

And i believe it was Loukas who mentioned the father thats in jail for not calling his son his daughter.

Loukas posted 4/22/2021 18:08 PM

Who is this so that I can google it and read what in the world happened?
Jesscia Yaniv

DragnHeart posted 4/22/2021 18:11 PM

If you believe that it is incorrect, then you dispute the existence of trans-men. Right?

Where do you get these ideas?

Just because I FEEL that when describing/teaching about biological functions that the proper biological terminology is used i somehow don't recognize the existence of the trans men?

Oiy!

DevastatedDee posted 4/22/2021 18:16 PM

Thank you, Loukas. Okay, now I've read up on her a bit. She might be a bit...much. Thankfully she isn't every transgender person and it looks like a lot of trans activists aren't amused with her either.

DevastatedDee posted 4/22/2021 18:17 PM

Where do you get these ideas?

Just because I FEEL that when describing/teaching about biological functions that the proper biological terminology is used i somehow don't recognize the existence of the trans men?

Oiy!

Where I get this idea is that you are bothered by "pregnant people" because it isn't accurate. The only people who can be pregnant are female. That leaves out the possibility of a trans-man who is biologically female and is pregnant. Is he a he only before and after the pregnancy or is he never to be recognized as a he?

DragnHeart posted 4/22/2021 18:23 PM

Taken from the October 27th 2020 issue if the New York post:

“For reasons of safety and security, it is imperative that biological women and girls, and fully transitioned transgender females, have spaces where they can associate free from the presence of individuals with male genitals. This is particularly so in situations where women and girls are exposed or vulnerable,” Allison Kindle Pejovic, an attorney with the Justice Centre, said in a statement.

^^^^^ this i can agree with.


I am of the opinion that the teaching of biological reproduction and the teaching of heterosexual/homosexual and gender identity should be separate sections within the same sex ed curriculum.

DevastatedDee posted 4/22/2021 18:27 PM

I think I've found this man you're talking about too.

So to break it down, he and the child's mother are separated. He sues the mother for allowing the child to transition from female to male. The court sides with the mother.

The high court ordered the dad to not stand in the way of the 15-year-old’s hormone therapy and to try and better understand gender dysphoria, the outlet reported. He was also told to stop speaking to the media about the case and warned that his public attempts to undermine his child’s wishes was a form of family violence.

Outing his transgender child to the world and repeatedly violating court orders led to him being held in contempt of court. He's essentially emotionally and psychologically abusing his child and all the sympathy is directed towards him? Why? The child himself asked that his father not out him and that can't be respected? This dad is not impressing me.

DevastatedDee posted 4/22/2021 18:31 PM

“For reasons of safety and security, it is imperative that biological women and girls, and fully transitioned transgender females, have spaces where they can associate free from the presence of individuals with male genitals. This is particularly so in situations where women and girls are exposed or vulnerable,” Allison Kindle Pejovic, an attorney with the Justice Centre, said in a statement.

So a penis automatically makes a person unsafe? Is it time to slay them all and just keep a couple of men per thousand around for reproductive purposes, safely under guard in cages, of course?

EllieKMAS posted 4/22/2021 18:35 PM

So a penis automatically makes a person unsafe? Is it time to slay them all and just keep a couple of men per thousand around for reproductive purposes, safely under guard in cages, of course?
Also reaching things off high shelves, shoveling snow, moving heavy things, and fixing cars.


Totally kidding of course!

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