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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 9:48 PM on Friday, October 23rd, 2020

Firstly, many thanks to Bigger and Stevesn for your kind words. They are appreciated, and reciprocated. I wish I had more time to post, but work and domestic life are absorbing more of my time than they did before lock-down.

mrplspls,

Could my wife have been drawn in by the OM and then found herself turning on herself? Hating herself for what she had done, lacking the courage to tell the truth AND lacking the courage to leave the marriage.

She has admitted to me that she preferred the version of her that I blindly knew, loved, adored and wanted to have children with. She hated herself as the cheater and my rug sweeping choices made me the best place to be, the best man for her and the best road to a good life...

Your question could be considered and debated by us here, and you would get a range of views, but some of these questions can only be answered definitively by your wife.

And discussing these things with a wayward spouse can be difficult, because if you hand them a story or set of circumstances that makes them look good, they may jump on it and compliment your amazing insight, simply because it offers them an easy 'out'.

A lot of your posts focus on you, and people have come up with a lot of good information about ways a betrayed spouse can take care of themselves and methods that can be tried to counter mind movies, blaming yourself, rushing to make a decision too quickly, etc.

However, the big blind spot in your thread is what your wife is saying and doing.

You have said that you are seeing a therapist, but is your wife having individual counselling to investigate why she made the decisions and choices she made?

From outside your thread, it is very hard to get a sense of what your wife's attitude is, and how much responsibility she is taking for her actions.

I think there is a danger that if you or us start writing her story and creating her reasoning and decision-making processes for her, we will end up creating an image of her that may hang together logically, but which may not represent her reality at all.

And I think the issue of false image is central to the decisions you made in the 1980s, and could also be the key to creating a solid, authentic foundation on which a healthy but realistic reconciliation can be built, if you choose to go that route.

Going back to the aftermath of the affair you were not fully aware of, we find you loving an image of your wife that you did not want to damage by asking questions that might have horrible answers, and your wife buying into that image, despite knowing how false it was:

She has admitted to me that she preferred the version of her that I blindly knew

And the truth is, you also preferred it, or you would have dug deeper into her relationship with her boss. I am not criticizing you for that, many people have done the same.

The trouble is, it set up a dynamic where your wife was never challenged to address her issues, and you were hesitant to pry too deeply, because the image you had created was perhaps your idealized version of who you wanted her to be.

Both of you had vested reasons for not upsetting the applecart.

The problem with burying a serious issue is that it is like burying a land-mine in your garden. In time you forget where it is, but it is still there, and eventually you will step on it.

So I think it is crucial that you and everyone here does not create a new image or persona for your wife, because this is a time for the real woman to finally emerge from behind the character she played, and finally start dealing with her issues.

That woman may not be the way you idealized her years ago, but at least she will finally be who she really is, and that will enable you to finally make an informed decision about whether you want to stay married to her.

That may be a daunting prospect, but both of you need to abandon the image and embrace reality. It is the only way to avoid burying another land-mine in your garden, in the crater left by the explosion of the first one.

So when it comes to what your wife's motivations and decision-making processes were, and are, there should only be one voice speaking, and that is your wife's.

You, and all of us, can only guess about them.

The only person who can tell you what your wife was thinking is your wife.

The only person who can tell you why she stayed after saying she wanted to leave is your wife.

That does not mean we will not be here to help you with how you handle this process. That is what this forum is for, and I think all of us are here, giving our time, because people took the time to help us, and we want to pay that back.

However, we really must not speculate too deeply about what your wife was thinking; she has to open up about that herself, because that is a vital part of both of you getting past this. And an individual counsellor can help her to do that.

[This message edited by M1965 at 5:56 PM, October 23rd (Friday)]

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 mrplspls (original poster member #75665) posted at 11:25 PM on Friday, October 23rd, 2020

I withdraw mistake, she made a series of choices that she then kept secret for decades. A series of devastating to me choices.....

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faithfulman ( member #66002) posted at 11:29 PM on Friday, October 23rd, 2020

My sister is best friends with my wife (and knows nothing of the infidelity). She would have been angrier than me that her best friend had done such a dirty to her brother. But healing would have been in her heart.

My wife's stepfather was a judge and had presided over our wedding. Not the sort of man who would have just shrugged his shoulders and let the split happen. He would have felt a duty to patch things up.

And to this day, due to late mother in law, I have never told a. mother in law joke. She was my biggest fan and would have been another factor in bringing us back together.

So I do look back, take my initial logical reaction into account, but don't think it would have been the final word.

Here is the problem with this entire line of thinking... your wife didn't cheat on any of them!

She certainly disrespected her family unit by dishonoring you and her vows, but they are not the ones who would have to sleep in bed with her, knowing she allowed another man carnal knowledge of her, and not only that, planned to abscond with him until he hit the road, leaving her behind!

THIS IS YOUR LIFE. NOBODY can tell you what you that you need to stay with her.

They can offer their perspective, and they should offer (you in particular) their support. But NOBODY has "the final word" but you. Not them. Not your wife either.

And NOBODY can "patch things up" from outside of you and your wife.

In the end, it is up to you and only you if you can accept living with this woman after her betrayal.

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mrplspls - I feel like you are looking for a way to get past this without facing the full scope of this betrayal and without your wife putting it all out there. As others have mentioned, rugsweep. That will eat you up form the inside out.

If you are the kind of person who can forgive and reconcile with a woman who had sex with a man outside of your relationship, you need to know the truth.

And you need a truly remorseful and repentant wife. Most cheaters simply want to "get out of trouble". Everything you have written thus far leads me belive your wife simply wants to get out of trouble.

Others who have been very active in this thread appear to have a different point of view, but here is mine which is an opposing POV: Adults don't change that much. People who are selfish and callous tend to remain so, and people who are honest and true tend remain so.

Changing oneself as an adult is a monumental task and requires a ton of hard work and it has to be done for the right reasons - not to get out of trouble.

And even then, even if your wife turns herself around from being a cheater and a multi-decade liar who had to have the truth pulled out of her over weeks - you do not "owe" her anything. You owe yourself happiness and the ability to trust the person you share your life with.

If you cannot trust the person you are with, you risk your mental stability. Suspicion, rumination, and moodiness will be common in your life.

And without truth, their is no trust. Pursue the truth.

[This message edited by faithfulman at 6:35 PM, October 23rd (Friday)]

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 11:31 PM on Friday, October 23rd, 2020

I withdraw mistake, she made a series of choices that she then kept secret for decades. A series of devastating to me choices.....

That's a healthier way to perceive it. I think you can see how that changes the equation quite a bit from framing it as a mistake.

I only mention this and I tend to react to it strongly because my own WW tried this "mistake" gambit for a long time.

At first, I accepted it but then someone jolted me out of this on SI -- and once I saw it differently I began to perceive the true nature of infidelity.

Then my WW tried it again and I said, "a mistake is picking up baking powder instead of baking soda at the store. You make it sound like you tripped and accidentally fell on another man's genitalia. It wasn't a mistake. It was a series of willful, intentional decisions and actions and multitudes of lies."

Not my exact words but close.

This shut down any more talk of "mistake" from then on.

I share my own experience not to project onto you, but merely to give you a real world example that may be prove elucidating to some extent.

A lot of gassy, equivocating doublespeak comes out of WS's mouths.

As you read more here, you'll learn how to spot it and call it out.

[This message edited by Thumos at 5:32 PM, October 23rd (Friday)]

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."

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faithfulman ( member #66002) posted at 12:38 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

I withdraw mistake, she made a series of choices that she then kept secret for decades. A series of devastating to me choices.....

Keeping that secret for decades is also a devastating series of choices.

That is why I disagree with the suggestion that the years of your married life between your wife's cheating (that you are aware of) and when she finally admitted to it as standing alone from the cheating itself.

The lying is part of the cheating.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 1:16 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

Keeping that secret for decades is also a devastating series of choices.

That is why I disagree with the suggestion that the years of your married life between your wife's cheating (that you are aware of) and when she finally admitted to it as standing alone from the cheating itself.

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 1:24 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

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Just so.

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 1:25 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 1:32 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

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Precisely. Laser precise observations. Spot on, bravo.

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 1:38 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

Thank you.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 1:47 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

...And then, they used their brains to try and come up with something creative and positive to help Mrplspls to move forwards, out of infidelity, towards a point in his life where he can feel that the relationship has finally reached a point of open honesty after three decades where two people chose to look the other way.

The point of this - for me - is that I 100% want Mrplspls to be able to make this journey and reach a point where he and his wife can move forwards positively, in a state of honesty.

Simply repeating that cheating occurred, or suggesting that nothing in the past three decades is 'real' contributes nothing. If that is the conclusion, the name of this forum should be changed to, "Just Divorce, Already. What Are You Waiting For".

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 1:54 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

I guess you could have made that point without all the drama.

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 1:55 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

Simply repeating that cheating occurred, or suggesting that nothing in the past three decades is 'real' contributes nothing. If that is the conclusion, the name of this forum should be changed to, "Just Divorce, Already. What Are You Waiting For".

this is a straw man argument

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 2:02 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

I guess you could have made that point without all the drama.

Thank you. I will endeavour to improve my performance.

this is a straw man argument

Okay. Please list your positive suggestions for how Mrplspls can move forwards and salvage his marriage.

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 2:04 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

I already did at the beginning of this thread and then agreed with sisoon’s outline for helping him get on the path to healing

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 2:09 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

That's great. So no need for any more posts reminding OP that he is dealing with cheating. He probably knows that by now.

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faithfulman ( member #66002) posted at 2:16 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

M1965 - I find you tiresome even before your infantile "Yeah, but she cheated" posts. But instead of trying to have a go at you, I simply made my own point and let him make his decisions.

...And then, they used their brains to try and come up with something creative and positive to help Mrplspls to move forwards, out of infidelity, towards a point in his life where he can feel that the relationship has finally reached a point of open honesty after three decades where two people chose to look the other way.

"Creative and positive" has nothing to do with anything.

"Creative and positive" does not move someone out of infidelity, which by the way, he has been in a state of infidelity for 33 years despite your seeming to suggest the opposite.

You come up with all the "creative" platitudes, and "positive" placations you want.

What I try to advise on is what somebody actually needs in order to begin to move out of infidelity: the truth.

That's what he needs to begin to move forward.

Yeah, but she cheated. (X100)

That's what you think I wrote? You need to work on your reading comprehension.

Or is it that you cannot deal with somebody who offers a different point of view?

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Hey! I have an idea! Why don't you worry about what you want to express to the people who come seeking help, and I'll worry about what I want to express to them?

You know, like an adult?

Give it a shot and report back to me. Thanks.

[This message edited by faithfulman at 8:28 PM, October 23rd (Friday)]

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 2:16 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

You do you, M1965. I’ll be me. The hectoring and scolding seems like a thread jack and highly unhelpful to OP

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 2:31 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

M1965 - I find you tiresome even before your infantile posts.

How kind of you. Thank you. I am so glad that I come here after a week of working nine-hour days to try and ease the burden of people reeling in the wake of infidelity to be told that I am infantile. I guess I must be doing it for the huge pay-check.

However, this is not about me. Please, everyone, contribute ideas about how Mrplspls can move forwards positively.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 2:35 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

Hey! I have an idea! Why don't you worry about what you want to express to the people who come seeking help, and I'll worry about what I want to express to them?

You know, like an adult?

Give it a shot and report back to me. Thanks.

And your suggestions for positive ways for Mrplsplas to imrpove his marriage are...

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