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A little bit of my story

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Sanibelredfish ( member #56748) posted at 6:06 PM on Wednesday, March 14th, 2018

As I indicated in W’s thread I was sorry to hear you had a breakdown. However, it sounds like your breakdown might lead to a breakthrough. So, perhaps it wasn’t all bad. Scary for everybody, and certainly not the recommended approach (I would think), but if you can turn it to your advantage to heal yourselves and the M...

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harrybrown ( member #59225) posted at 10:13 PM on Wednesday, March 14th, 2018

hope you both find some happiness and peace together. Hope that the Wallops get good help in counseling and enjoy their dancing together soon.

Take good care of each other and your kids.

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SorrowfulMoon ( member #59925) posted at 10:31 PM on Wednesday, March 14th, 2018

Well done Mrs Walloped, well done indeed

Just one suggestion that at some point you should re-read this thread after your second reading of Walloped's threads and then re-examine your thoughts in that light.

Best wishes.

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hikingout ( member #59504) posted at 10:42 PM on Wednesday, March 14th, 2018

Get Well Soon Mrs. Walloped. I have been praying for you, your husband, and family. And, you have not one thing to be embarrassed about, I think Mr. Walloped just wanted to express how scary the situation was for him because he loves you so much. Be easy with yourself.

7 years of hard work - WS and BS - Reconciled

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WilliamM ( member #60910) posted at 12:07 AM on Thursday, March 15th, 2018

I am so glad you are doing better. You have helped me a lot. I want nothing but good things for you and your husband.

All things are possible.

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Owl6118 ( member #42806) posted at 10:31 PM on Thursday, March 15th, 2018

I think what affected me the most were two things. One was his anger. I experienced his anger and the yelling so that wasn’t a surprise. It was the way he talked about me. I always thought of his anger like that he didn’t really mean it. And he’d say he hated me but deep down I knew he didn’t really hate me. Maybe he was trying to hurt me back and of course he was angry and I deserved that and more but I didn’t know how real it was.

Now you do.

But... I don't think he hated you. There are times when he may have wished he did, wholeheartedly. But he didn't, not that way. He was just in tremendous confusion and pain.

But if he did hate you, at that time in that moment, remember... he also defended you. He was very wise to listen to the cautions people gave him -- some of which as you know were well merited -- but not to absorb or revel in the invective.

What invective he himself said to you was between the two of you. To others, he never invited it nor condoned it.

I protected myself. His anger was my punishment. My penance. And that’s why I never responded in a bad way to his anger. I was sorry. I truly was and am, and I thought that his anger was something he would work through and then I could help him heal from what I did.

Yes, you did protect yourself. That is very human. You could not really believe in his anger because you empathy was deeply impaired.

The sad truth of things is affairs are a consequence of the destruction of empathy, not the cause of it. It is the empathy that dies first -- that feeling of cut him, I bleed -- long before the first covert act.

No one comes back to empathy in an instant on D Day. You took enough right actions to give your marriage a fighting chance. Dyanu. It was enough.

But the way he talked about me. So callous and indifferent at times. So many FU’s. He wasn’t like that ever before. I kept reading it, well fuck her, I don’t care, she’ll deal or if not fuck her, she could fuck him for 3 months so fuck her if she doesn’t like it. So cold. The way he talked about me. Like I was a criminal (I know I know). And how he called me out on everything I said or did. I guess his brain helped him. But while you all read those words, I heard them. They were on the iPad but I read them with his voice in my head. And they stayed there.

He needed to protect himself. He was in immense confusion and pain. But above all, confusion. Those words were, I think, an effort, back at that time, to project himself into the mindframe he felt you must have been in, to do what you did to him. It was a very unnatural place for him to be in and he had to, to a degree, psyche himself up to get there. But he needed to be there for a time to protect himself. He did not know who you were or what you would do next. He did not know you. But it was never where he wanted to be and he was never comfortable there.

The other thing was how scared he was. He was so frightened and lost and in so much pain. We were always there for each other. Yes, we are codependent but in different ways. Almost our whole lives we had each other to help us get through things and now he had no one to turn to. And he wrote that he was a broken man and scared and alone and that’s because I did that to him. He didn’t know what was going to happen to his life. He never really told me how scared he was. He couldn’t. I never knew.

Now you know.

And now he does not have to be alone with it in his head when he is home alone with you. He is probably less alone now, this day, than he has been in two and one half years.

I never knew how alone he felt. How lost.

He doesn't have to be alone now. You can be with him, now.

Thank God for my BIL. And he still had to go to work and function and I’d see him cry but I didn’t know it was from fear. I never really knew or understood what I did to him. What I really did to him. I always thought I did but I didn’t.

No, you didn't. But now you do.

I know neither he or your therapist nor anyone else intended your acquiring that knowledge to be this traumatic. But... you know now. And maybe that is part of what he hoped might come of your coming to SI -- if not in this fashion.

Not really. Not until your husband says it in his own words without trying to soften things or change it around for whatever reason. I didn’t know. Maybe I didn’t want to know. Maybe I was protecting myself.

Surely you were. You are, in fact, a card carry member of what one wise man here calls the crooked timber of humanity. It's something humans do when they are stretched beyond what they can cope with.

And he was so alone and in situations like that I’d always be there for him but I wasn’t this time and he couldn’t turn to me because he didn’t know who I was anymore. My husband didn’t know me. We spent almost our whole lives together and he didn’t know me or trust me and worse, I was I the one who did this to him.

Gently, very gently -- true, he did not know you. But the not knowing started long before the affair. It started whenever it was that you began hiding your real self behind a mask, one you wore to avoid your mother's voice inside you.

People here said that his love for me came through in his posts, but I didn’t see that. I don’t mean it wasn’t there. I mean I didn’t pay attention to it. I got so wrapped up in the pain and anger and fear and all the talk about me.

You will, very clearly, someday when you read them again. But for now it will be enough if your just always remember: he gave you the fudge. He gave you the fudge. He gave you the fudge. He came home and gave you the fudge.

Don't let your mother's voice keep you from hearing his love, then, and now.

And I heard my mother’s voice in my head with all her sarcastic comments (she never yelled, just knew how to bite in the worst way) and then it was my voice saying those horrible things to myself and I knew I was right because it was all right there in those posts.

Her voice was always a lie. Your work now is to learn to believe that to your bottom most soul. She was wrong. You are loved.

And thank you all again for everything and for listening.

Anytime.

And... this is a joyful day.

Today, you are free. You can be your entire past and all your bad choices and still be loved.

For myself, the happiest day I have had in four years here was seeing your username for the first time. Because I was so happy to meet you, and see you had come here to do some work.

You titled this thread "a little bit of my story." You couldn't know that many of us knew a lot of your story. But... we were and are so happy to see you! We knew your story, or a lot of it. Certainly the facts of your affair. We came ready and eager to like you anyway.

You are free here to be liked for you. All of you.

And, the most joyful thing of all, your husband does not ever have to be as alone as he was for the last two and a half years. Now, you know. Now, you can be there with him and he will not be as alone.

You are free today. It is a joyful thing.

[This message edited by Owl6118 at 4:34 PM, March 15th (Thursday)]

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 MrsWalloped (original poster member #62313) posted at 12:32 AM on Friday, March 16th, 2018

You are free today. It is a joyful thing.

Thank you. From the bottom of my heart, thank you. I can’t even. Thank you.

Me: WW 47
My BH: Walloped 48
A: 3/15 - 8/15 (2 month EA, turned into 3 month PA)
DDay: 8/3/15
In R

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Wool94 ( member #53300) posted at 2:38 AM on Friday, March 16th, 2018

Owl6118

That was an amazing post!

Mrs, that's how we see you!

D-Day #1: April 7, 2016
D-Day #2: May 21, 2016
D-Day #3: June 7, 2016
Me: 1975
Her:WW (amn8r) 1981
Son 2006
Daughter 2009
"God not only loves you, but He actually likes you. "-Stephen Hooks

"My faith is mine now."

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alsdaboss ( new member #60126) posted at 4:42 AM on Friday, March 16th, 2018

Both threads?!?!

Talk about suffering the slings and arrows.

Anywho, honesty like yours is rare, and i am grateful for it.

Thank you.

I am not well at all, but I am getting there.

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RocketRaccoon ( member #54620) posted at 8:04 AM on Friday, March 16th, 2018

Owl

*standing ovation*

Edit to add: Mrs. W, kudos on your bravery, and you are the personification of True Remorse. The empathy you have shown towards your BH is what a lot of WS should aim for.

[This message edited by RocketRaccoon at 2:09 AM, March 16th (Friday)]

You cannot cure stupid

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steadychevy ( member #42608) posted at 3:15 PM on Friday, March 16th, 2018

MrsWalloped, welcome back. I would suggest you ease back into being so active on SI but your presence is valuable so please do come back.

I thought you "got it" before, as we say here. I mean really "got it". That's why I said I was jealous. Some posters on your thread were pretty harsh or suspicious. That could have been because of their experience and projecting or because they sensed something I didn't.

Now I believe you do really "get it". I think now you really do see and understand the effect of your adultery on the man who loved/loves you. It seems that you really went into the deep, dark, ugly sealed box and had the demons exposed. To me the real healing for you and Walloped can now really begin.

It was good for me to read some humour back in your post above. I hope Walloped got a clean shirt. I think your IC must be pretty damn good. Perhaps she knew your were still minimizing the devastating effect to some small degree. I hope your session went well and would like to hear about it (not details, of course, but theme or something like that).

I believed you were looking like a real asset to SI like some other FWSs are. You were well written and thoughtful. I didn't agree with all you wrote but that doesn't matter. I really think now you can be an inspiration and guide for WSs (and BSs). Look after yourself and Walloped first and then ease back in.

Maybe re-read Owl a few times. My prayers continue for Walloped, your children and you.

BH(me)72(now); XWW 64; M 42 yrsDDay1-01/09/13;DDay2-26/10/13;DDay3-19/12/13;DDay4-21/01/14LTA-09/02-06/06? OM - COW 4 years; "dates" w/3 lovers post engagement;ONS w/stranger post commitment, lies, lies, liesSeparated 23/09/2017; D 16/03/2020

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pureheartkit ( member #62345) posted at 5:54 PM on Friday, March 16th, 2018

Mrs. W,

Dear lady, I believe you have given great gifts all through life. You have tremendous capacity and generosity. I believe you and Mr. W chose each other for this life long before you were born. You are old souls doing this together. It is clear that both of you have amazing stregnth.

I am sad that your childhood gave you pain. Mine did too but it was my dad, not my mom. I have been a perfect pleaser all my life. I felt I gave and gave more than my partner. That's not an excuse or skewed thinking. You may very well have been the one who did most of the giving. Mr. W gave in his own way and continues to. Men and women are different. We see things differently and we feel them differently. I really resented giving so much especially during his A. But I don't want to change my desire to give, just to have a fair balance. It sounds like you and Mr. W have that.

I really admire you. I don't think anyone's opinion matters really, just yours. So it made me very sad when you were deeply hurt by Mr. W's words. I hope someday all this will fade and not come up in your thoughts often. That's what I hope for myself. In many ways, I believe the more painful road is for the remorseful spouse. So I have more compassion for them even though betrayeds have it plenty tough. We don't have to do the self searching on the level that WS do.

I wish my WS could open his heart as much, I don't think he can and that saddens me. You have something quite rare and beautiful with Mr. W as everyone can see. We all pray for your happiness and our belief in human goodness, mercy and love is strengthened because of what you have shared with us.

Thank You

Thank you everyone for your wisdom and healing.

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shellbean ( member #56536) posted at 7:17 PM on Friday, March 16th, 2018

I have little to say that will be of any value to you, but may I just tell you that your story from the start to where you are today (b/c there is no finish, is there?) is truly eye opening, heartbreaking, and inspirational. I am so glad that you are home and are in a better place than you were.

May peace find you and stay with you and Walloped.

Together 29 years, M 20 years
Dday1 11/3/16 Dday2 11/1/17
PA '96-'98, PA Aug.'15-Nov.'16 Same AP
EA '09-'11
We are reconciled and doing well

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skerzoid ( member #55962) posted at 9:57 PM on Friday, March 16th, 2018

Hoping you feel better.

[This message edited by skerzoid at 6:08 PM, March 19th (Monday)]

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paboy ( member #59482) posted at 4:28 PM on Saturday, March 17th, 2018

(((hugs)))

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squid ( member #57624) posted at 3:41 AM on Sunday, March 18th, 2018

I've only been on SI for just over a year. But I can tell this thread will go down as a really important reference point moving forward for WS's and BS's on the journey that's possible if we're simply open to the experience.

MrsWalloped, your honesty and candor has been very important in my healing. I know that my WW isn't in the same league as you in trying to "get it". But your story has been really important in my path to healing. Although our outcome isn't that of R, I can at least try to R with myself that my WW's A was not about me. Sure, I'm sad that my WW didn't want to join me. But being able to understand her "why's" has helped me to gain more empathy for her. Even if she may not deserve it.

BH
D-Day 2.19.17
Divorced 12.10.18

This isn’t what any of us signed up for. But it is the hand that we have been dealt. Thus, we must play it.

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Booyah ( member #60124) posted at 11:29 PM on Monday, March 19th, 2018

Mrs W, wanted to chime in here.

I read your story and it broke my heart to hear the stuff that you went through growing up. Despite going through all of that you rose above it and from what Mr W says you're a wonderful loving mother to your children.

I have a question for you. It's one thing for Mr W and your children to forgive you, but have you been able to forgive yourself?

It took a lot of courage for you to come on here and share your story as it did to go back and read your H thread.

I think The Lord has a plan here, and you sharing your testimony has given quite a few people hope (and countless others will have it as well in the future once they read your story).

Mrs W your children and your husband are blessed to have you (as is SI).

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 MrsWalloped (original poster member #62313) posted at 4:58 AM on Tuesday, March 20th, 2018

Hi Booyah,

I have a question for you. It's one thing for Mr W and your children to forgive you, but have you been able to forgive yourself?

My husband hasn’t forgiven me. I don’t ask him to and I don’t expect him to. Forgiveness means different things to people I guess. I know he connects it to condoning what I did so unless he thinks of them as two different things, I don’t think he’ll forgive me anytime soon. That’s okay with me. I haven’t forgiven myself either. I can accept what I did. I can even believe for a while that I’m not a horrible person even though I did it. I’m getting better at that. But I can’t move past the hurt I caused him and the damage I caused to my family. And honestly I don’t even know what that means. How do I forgive myself? He’s going to deal with this for the rest of his life. What does forgiving myself mean? I don’t know. It sounds so self serving to me. I’ve forgiven myself. Who am I to say that? It’s the people I hurt that can forgive me if they choose too, but I don’t think I have the right to do that.

Despite going through all of that you rose above it

I think I have to disagree with you. I didn’t rise above it at all. It affected me so so much and it drove so many of my behaviors. It’s such a part of me that trying to overcome it is like performing an exorcism over and over again.

I’m sorry. I know you were trying to be kind. Thank you.

Me: WW 47
My BH: Walloped 48
A: 3/15 - 8/15 (2 month EA, turned into 3 month PA)
DDay: 8/3/15
In R

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deephurt ( member #48243) posted at 5:53 PM on Tuesday, March 20th, 2018

I haven't forgiven my WH either. We don't discuss forgiveness. I don't know if he forgives himself or if he will never forgive himself. I think people put too much emphasis on forgiveness. Like you can't move forward without it. You can

WH and I look at him as two different people now. What he became during the A and who he is now.

It doesn't mean the pain isn't there and the work doesn't need done but it helps with moving forward.

me-BW
him-WH


so far successfully in R

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WilliamM ( member #60910) posted at 6:43 PM on Tuesday, March 20th, 2018

It is good to hear from you. No questions or deep comments. Just saying hello there.

All things are possible.

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