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 Walloped (original poster member #48852) posted at 9:17 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

Hi. This is my first post - I just signed up today (my brother recommended this site). I apologize if this is somewhat incoherent but I'm a complete mess right now and I don't know what to do, or think, or feel. I just want it to stop.

My wife has been having an affair for the past 3 months. God. It took me 5 minutes just to write that. I found out on Monday. Not such a long story. Probably typical. My brother saw her holding hands with some guy in the city. Pure chance. Told me. I went through her emails (I have a key logger program on our computer, which I hardly every use - got it because we're overprotective parents and wanted to watch our kids' emails and web use for mention of drugs / sexting / inappropriate pics, etc.). Never really did anything with it other than the odd check in. Found emails. Nothing explicit, thank God. But confirmed the affair. Confronted her. Lots of yelling (me). Lots of crying (both of us). I am sleeping in the basement. Why the hell am I sleeping in the basement in my own house? How f***ed up is that? She's crying all the time. Why is SHE crying? This is what she wanted! To have some fling or whatever the heck it was with some guy, and NOW she's crying? Me? I can't stop crying. Last time I cried was our daughter's wedding. Before that? Each of our kid's birth. And my dad's passing. Now I'm a wreck.

I don't get it. I'm not overweight. Full head of hair. I'm 44 - she's 42. I have a good job - provide for my family. I'm generally home by 8PM and don't work weekends. Little work travel. I lived for my wife and kids. I don't drink, smoke, gamble. I've complimented her and told her I love her consistently over the more than 20 years we're married. Date nights. Mini gifts. family outings. Why? What did I do wrong and why is this guy better? What makes him so special? Was he there when we lost two kids to miscarriage? Was he there when my dad died? Did he help nurse her mom back to health and take over all of her parent's responsibilities so her dad could tend to her mom when she got sick? Was he up all night for a week straight when she was in the ICU when there were pregnancy complications? Did he have to make tough decisions that could result in losing her or the baby? What did I do wrong?

She says she loves me. BULL! I can't...bull. How do you do this to someone? I don't get it. I just don't get it. I think about it. I try not to think about it. I can't do anything but think about it. And I still don't get it.

I need to stop. I'm really sorry for this ranting. My brother said this site was very helpful for his wife's sister (I told him - he's my only family on my side besides my mom). I just can't wrap my head around this. I had to go to work today - and handle what I normally do and I can't work. I've had my office door closed all day - joining meetings via conference call, but being no real help. And instead of working, here I am. I don't even know what to say. Do. Feel. We haven't really talked since Monday. I can't even look at her without yelling and crying. I don't even know the whole story. All she says is I'm sorry over and over. Oh - and that she loves me. Ha. That's a good one. I can't even process how I feel about her. She wants me to tell her I still love her. How can I do that? I don't even know if that's true. What kind of person does that make me if I do? How can I love someone who would do this? I'm sorry. I'm falling apart. And my mind is going nuts right now. And I'm just typing this stream of consciousness. I need to stop. Maybe I'll come back when I get some of this under control. My apologies again. Really. Sorry.

Me: BH 47
Her: WW 46
DDay 8/3/15
"Every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa the bad things don’t necessarily spoil the good things or make them unimportant.” - The Doctor

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CanoeVA ( member #46071) posted at 9:33 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

Hi. This is my first post - I just signed up today (my brother recommended this site). I apologize if this is somewhat incoherent but I'm a complete mess right now and I don't know what to do, or think, or feel. I just want it to stop.

My wife has been having an affair for the past 3 months. God. It took me 5 minutes just to write that. I found out on Monday. Not such a long story. Probably typical. My brother saw her holding hands with some guy in the city. Pure chance. Told me. I went through her emails (I have a key logger program on our computer, which I hardly every use - got it because we're overprotective parents and wanted to watch our kids' emails and web use for mention of drugs / sexting / inappropriate pics, etc.). Never really did anything with it other than the odd check in. Found emails. Nothing explicit, thank God. But confirmed the affair. Confronted her. Lots of yelling (me). Lots of crying (both of us). I am sleeping in the basement. Why the hell am I sleeping in the basement in my own house? How f***ed up is that? She's crying all the time. Why is SHE crying? This is what she wanted! To have some fling or whatever the heck it was with some guy, and NOW she's crying? Me? I can't stop crying. Last time I cried was our daughter's wedding. Before that? Each of our kid's birth. And my dad's passing. Now I'm a wreck.

I don't get it. I'm not overweight. Full head of hair. I'm 44 - she's 42. I have a good job - provide for my family. I'm generally home by 8PM and don't work weekends. Little work travel. I lived for my wife and kids. I don't drink, smoke, gamble. I've complimented her and told her I love her consistently over the more than 20 years we're married. Date nights. Mini gifts. family outings. Why? What did I do wrong and why is this guy better? What makes him so special? Was he there when we lost two kids to miscarriage? Was he there when my dad died? Did he help nurse her mom back to health and take over all of her parent's responsibilities so her dad could tend to her mom when she got sick? Was he up all night for a week straight when she was in the ICU when there were pregnancy complications? Did he have to make tough decisions that could result in losing her or the baby? What did I do wrong?

She says she loves me. BULL! I can't...bull. How do you do this to someone? I don't get it. I just don't get it. I think about it. I try not to think about it. I can't do anything but think about it. And I still don't get it.

I need to stop. I'm really sorry for this ranting. My brother said this site was very helpful for his wife's sister (I told him - he's my only family on my side besides my mom). I just can't wrap my head around this. I had to go to work today - and handle what I normally do and I can't work. I've had my office door closed all day - joining meetings via conference call, but being no real help. And instead of working, here I am. I don't even know what to say. Do. Feel. We haven't really talked since Monday. I can't even look at her without yelling and crying. I don't even know the whole story. All she says is I'm sorry over and over. Oh - and that she loves me. Ha. That's a good one. I can't even process how I feel about her. She wants me to tell her I still love her. How can I do that? I don't even know if that's true. What kind of person does that make me if I do? How can I love someone who would do this? I'm sorry. I'm falling apart. And my mind is going nuts right now. And I'm just typing this stream of consciousness. I need to stop. Maybe I'll come back when I get some of this under control. My apologies again. Really. Sorry.

No "sorries" necessary, Walloped. We've been there, done that. You are in pain, and that is perfectly fine and normal. You should be concerned if you weren't.

Be ready to ride what we call the "rollercoaster" here. You will have ups & downs; you can expect to change your mind on the simplest things at the drop of a hat. You're in trauma -real, genuine trauma.

You will get a lot of advice here. 90% is really good. Take what suits you, and leave the rest. Don't let anyone here get under your skin -they are truly trying to help. It is helpful to realize that, while your head is spinning, and logic failing (again, perfectly normal), people here have seen what works (by experience, and by others on this board).

You're in a real good place here. welcome to the club no one would ever want to be in.

There's a yellow box top-left. Click the "Healing Library" and read around. Learn the acronyms (BS = Betrayed Spouse; WS - Wandering Spouse; WW = wandering wife; M = Marriage; R = Reconciliation; D = Divorce, etc ) There are a lot of very helpful articles in the healing library.

Learn what the 180 is. It is pure gold, even if if seems contrary to common sense to you right now. Trust us. It's gold.

You'll learn little adages here (Like, "you can't nice her back" or "don't play the 'pick me' game")

KEY THOUGHT- Don't blame yourself. It isn't that you have hair or are in shape or did or didn't do nice things in the marriage. She cheated on you because she made bad choices. THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. !! !! Get that straight right now. THIS. HAD. NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. YOU. This may be hard to grasp, but it will sink in.

Don't jump into MC (marriage counseling). What is needed pronto is IC (individual counseling) for your WW right now.

This can be repaired, believe it or not. I'm 8 months in, and in a very good place. Not totally healed by any stretch, but on the road there.

You're in for a very long and difficult ride. Buckle in. Take care of YOU. Eat. Sleep. Do the simple things. Exercise. Watch your temper. Don't drink (not now; it won't help).

Also- (and this is tough)- Be ready to learn that the affair was worse than she is saying right now. We call that "trickle truth" or "TT".

I always recommend putting a book in the WS's hands, Linda MacDonald's "How To Help Your Spouse Heal From Your Affair". It is only 90 pages or so. It saved my marriage, by changing my fWW's mindset early on. The sooner you do this, the better, IMHO. .........http://www.lindajmacdonald.com/Mini-Books.html.........

Good luck, Walloped. Keep posting. Keep us in the loop. We care. We hear you. We've been there.

Buckle in.

[This message edited by CanoeVA at 3:35 PM, August 6th (Thursday)]

Me = BH
fWW- 2014 affair most of year; EA Feb/March became PA April until DDay
Married 1986
DDay- 12/08/14
2 adult children, mid 20s
OM = Wife's best friend's brother
We're both working on R

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HenryIIX ( member #46173) posted at 9:50 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

(((Hugs)))

Read Canoe's post again, everything he says is important. And, keep ranting - it is okay. We are here for you and we have all gone through our own rants. A lot of them.

You will get a lot of people that will help your through this as much as possible. We are all apart of a family here at SI, I am so glad your brother told you about this site.

Your WW (wayward wife) chose to have an A (affair). It had NOTHING to do with you. There is nothing wrong with you, nothing. Even if you aren't the perfect husband you do not deserve to be betrayed in this manner.

The OM (other man) is not better. There is a thread here about how WS (wandering spouses) always 'affair down'. Find it and read it!

As Canoe mentioned, read the healing library, and then reread it. You will take nuggets away from it each time.

Be kind to yourself. Make sure you are eating, sleeping and drinking plenty of water. Your life has been thrown into chaos and you need to remain as healthy as possible during the shit storm.

AND - quit sleeping in the basement!! She needs to get her ass out of the bed and sleep on the couch.

Keep posting, give more details. Eventually when you are ready you will need to get to a place where you start deciding how you want to handle the situation. But, you can't get there until you know the truth about the extent of the A. Do you feel you know all the details? Is this her only one? Things to think about...when you are ready.

Stay strong and post - we are here for you.

BS - Me (50)
Divorced 6/1/22
DS1 - 20, DS2 - 17
DDay #1- 12/26/14
DDay #2 - 2/6/21

~ Damaged people are dangerous. They know they can survive.

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HobbesTheTiger ( member #41477) posted at 10:02 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

Hi, I'm glad your brother told you about this.

I strongly urge you to try to find a good individual counsellor (with experience in infidelity, PTSD,...) as soon as possible, it will probably help you tremendously to deal with all this.

Also, I urge you to google "No more mr. nice guy pdf", it's a great book available online for free and it was a source of great strength when I was cheated on.

Time for MC, if you'll ever decide to give it a try, will be after both of you have done at least 5+ sessions of IC each, especially her. And when you'll be looking for MC, YOU select the MC and make sure the MC has a "no-nonsense" approach to infidelity, knows that it is 100% cheater's fault, knows that the infidelity must be dealt first (at least to a certain degree) before addressing any other problems that might have existed in the marriage.

If you want to come close to finding the truth, get her to write you a detailed timeline and send it to you via email. Then, set up a polygraph and ask her questions, including whether there were any guys before.

Be prepared that she might try to get "accidentally" pregnant to stop you from leaving. Don't have unprotected sex with her until you've both been tested for STDs and you've decided you want to risk getting her pregnant.

Go visit a lawyer IMMEDIATELY, just so you'll know your options.

What do you know about the other man (OM)? Is he married or has a gf?

Continue to reach out to family&friends, you need and deserve real-life support.

Go to the "I can relate" subsection of the forum and look for the "Betrayed menz" thread, it's an excellent one.

What are your dealbreakers? What would "certainly" make you file for divorce and not look back? It might be hard to reply to this, but think about it.

If you decide to try to reconcile (remember, you can always change your mind later!), both of you should google "How to help your spouse heal pdf Linda Macdonald", it's a great book available online for free and it might help you tremendously.

Go see your doctor to prescribe you some pills, herbal extracts etc. if you're having trouble sleeping etc. Exercise a lot. Force yourself to eat even if you don't have an appetite.

Buy a VAR immediately and have it on you, recording every interaction with her. She might try to falsely accuse you of domestic violence. You might think she wouldn't do this, but she might.

Keep talking to us. We're here to listen, support and help. The more you talk to us, the more we can help.

Best wishes

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ICaughtThem ( member #45041) posted at 10:11 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

Do you know who the Other Man is? Is he married? If so, you need to find and tell the Other Betrayed Spouse. It's the right thing to do. A side benefit is that a lot of Affairs die when exposed to the light of day. But, do NOT warn her that you are going to do this. It is a good test to see if her and the AP are still communicating.

Your WW needs to:

1) Be transparent. She gives you full access to e-mail, texts, etc. No passwords allowed. But, by now, realize that she's probably deleted all of the evidence, in order to "protect you". Which is bullshit, since Waywards all do it to cover their own asses.

2) Send a No Contact letter to the AP, that she shows you before it is sent. Then, no further contact is allowed between them.

3) Block his number on her phone, e-mail, etc.

That's a good start.

Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn’t.

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ICaughtThem ( member #45041) posted at 10:13 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

Like Hobbes said, go to Best Buy and get a Sony Voice Activated Recorder, and good lithium batteries. Velcro it somewhere in her car that she wouldn't look for it. You'll get a good indication what is going on by listening to who she calls and what is said when she thinks you can't find out.

Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn’t.

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WhatHappened654 ( member #48574) posted at 10:22 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

I'm so, so sorry for what you are going through. Don't be sorry for ranting, that's what we're all here for. The roller coaster of emotions is something we all want to get off of but you just have to ride it. Take your time. Breathe. Take care of yourself. Those are the most important things right now.

The healing library is amazing. I still read articles there very regularly, some over and over. It helps. We are here for you. Keep posting, we will read and we care. We've been there (are there). Hugs. I'm so sorry.

ME: 31
WH: 32
3 Daughters: 9, 4, 1
DDay: 7/12/15

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Crazytrain101 ( member #48200) posted at 10:22 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

Walloped, welcome to our club. You've already heard some advice that's important. SI has provided me with support, ideas and has been a true lifesaver in this nightmare.

I'll just touch on a few points, the reasons why are always the toughest, I'm like you, I try to rationalize the physical reasons such as being attractive and such, I'm a very pretty woman (no ego trip just necessary) but still my WH chose to have affairs with other women.

My point is that choosing cheating has nothing usually to do with the physicality aspect it's basically the broken piece of them that allows them to take impulsive choices without the rationale of what possibly they could lose by doing so.

As the betrayed spouse we rebuff the situations that would land us in a affair, WHY? We'll it's moral aptitude, it's a high-self esteem, it's the internal conscious that tells us the gain is NOT worth the short term gain. The WS's have deficiencies in one or more of these departments. Some from childhood issues, abuse and some just because the purely felt justified and wanted to.

The idea is, WHEN you choose to make a decision about your marriage your wife needs to get into IC and dig and work hard on the reason why and what she needs to fix about herself to let this happen again,

The choice takes time, don't rush into making any commitment quickly. I did just that only to find out that this was a many time thing for my husband, he wanted to sign our reconciliation agreement since I filed for divorce the very next day after discovery (best choice yet in my situation) that clearly stated there was only a one time PA.

We had been in MC with him basically lying just to get me back into the marriage, when after pushing for the polygraph test then the whole truth came out he was a serial cheater. I thank the good people here for telling me to get the poly if I hadn't I would've never known the full depths of his sickness and my WH wouldn't be in the serious therapy he needed.

We would have been back in a marriage with my only protection of a reconcilliation agreement/ post- nuptial with infidelity clause BUT he would've never owned all the truth and kept on with his lies of it and NOT started the long hard road of recovery.

Start by implementing the 180, this is in the healing hands library. This was the KEY to my healing, I'm 3 months out, 3 weeks from hearing the whole truth and I'm doing great. By detaching yourself from them and creating distance emotionally you will gain such a better perspective of it all. It takes time but the 180 will help you WHILE it gets your wife out of her fog. There's important realities she needs to face, one of them is a life without you.

Even if you choose to give her the gift of reconciliation, SHE needs to know what she had to lose in you and her family.

The saying goes, you never know what you've got until its gone, right? The 180 will show her, despite your zombie like state right now that you are willing to leave and her behavior will NOT be easily forgiven and definitely NOT condoned. The 180 has literally saved many marriages from divorce. Follow it diligently and I promise as it has for me will be a real lifesaver when navigating this horrible mess.

Please don't apologize for your rambling, we've ALL been in the same place emotionally after having the bomb dropped. What you are feeling is totally normal, this is a major trauma.

Keep posting whatever questions or advice you need and you'll find that it will offer you the support you need.

[This message edited by Crazytrain101 at 4:26 PM, August 6th (Thursday)]

8 years ago-found out he was a serial cheater-Reconciled-2015 Back again September 2022 as WH is a cheater again Heading to Divorce

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nononsense ( member #45598) posted at 10:31 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

Walloped

I need to stop. I'm really sorry for this ranting.

Don't be sorry. That is what this place is for. Probably no one reading this has not felt like you do right now. You can say anything you want here.

One suggestion you might want to think about is seeing your doctor to try to get some meds to help you calm down a little. There is no shame in that, and it will help you focus and gather yourself for what is ahead.

You already got some suggestions about

NO CONTACT AT ALL WITH OTHER MAN

TOTAL TRANSPARENCY OF ALL HER ELECTRONICS

COMIMITMENT TO MARRIAGE.

She needs to write you a time line of everything that has occurred. The reason you want it in writing is so she cannot change the story later and say she never said this or that. You do NOT need every sexual detail unless YOU WANT THEM. But understand she is probably going to withhold info and use all sorts of excuses why. That is pretty standard.

You do need to find out who this OM is and like you were told out him to his spouse if there is one. Don't accept that she is not going to tell you who he is.DO NOT TELL HER YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS.

The reason you should do this is that if he is trying to save his own ass he most likely will stop chasing your wife.

This stuff plus the VAR that has been recommended is a place to start and if you need them get the meds.

I don't get it. I'm not overweight. Full head of hair

This means nothing. None of us are immune to getting whacked by this disease. its what we do after it hits us that matters.

Try to catch your breath and keep listening to the folks here.

BH - 50 (me)
WW- 48 (her)
M- 27 years
3 daughters- 26, 24, 21
DDay1 7/5/2014 (PA- 2 different OM)
DDay2 11/28/2014- setting up another meeting new OM
5/1/2015- Looks like we are making it.
8/3/2015- Reconciled but watchful
11/10/2015- We made it

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doggiediva ( member #33806) posted at 10:59 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

I never realized until I was married 40 years what a risk marriage is...

It has nothing to do with what you did or didn't do why your wife cheated..

It is all about how she copes and gets her perks when life is a plain of lethal flatness...When she doesn't have what it takes to get her thru..

People need to have enough inner resources to deal with being at an all time low when it comes to getting them thru life's patches of boredom..

Otherwise they may turn to stuff that is destructive..

If you were a total Pri###44K to live with all of these years, she probably would have found a more efficient way to get out of the marriage that didn't involve cheating..

Cheating/cake eating (and hiding it) in a marriage is the coward wayward spouse's way of coping when he or she doesn't want to deal with any immediate conflict..

[This message edited by doggiediva at 5:04 PM, August 6th (Thursday)]

Don't tie your happiness to the tail of somebody else's kite

63 years young..

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doggiediva ( member #33806) posted at 11:12 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

What nononsense says is true..

But keep in mind, us the betrayed spouses, may be at an all time vulnerable low when cheating hits our lives..Our own or kid's chronic illnesses, bankruptcy, kiddos in college, elderly sick parents to care for etc, etc...

Meaning we may have to spend time getting our ducks in a row if or before we decide divorce is the option to deal with this..

So be kind to yourself and don't judge yourself if you take the time that you need to think / get affairs in order before you take any decisive action.. If it means extricating yourself from your marriage..

[This message edited by doggiediva at 5:12 PM, August 6th (Thursday)]

Don't tie your happiness to the tail of somebody else's kite

63 years young..

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mharris ( member #46683) posted at 11:25 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

Most importantly of all the advice you have been given, I think:

1. No contact with other man. Make her do it in front of you. I wish I had. I didn't, and it continued for 4 years longer. They took it underground.

2. Total transparency of electronic devices, social media, including work email and phone. Look for hidden apps. I also made this mistake.

Also. After this is done. Check her credit report for secret credit cards that mat be used for hotel trysts, and secret burner phones. Don't be an i ft iot like me.

And remember, these first few days, she will be all about damage control and covering her ass. Don't give her time to delete and destroy evidence.

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solus sto ( member #30989) posted at 11:40 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

((((Walloped))) I'm so sorry for your pain.

Here's the thing: you don't need to know what to do yet. You don't have to make any decisions today, tomorrow, or even the next day---you can take your time and let things unfold.

In the meantime, rant away. If there's one place that's great for this, it's SI. We're here for you.

BS-me, 62; X-irrelevant; we’re D & NC. "So much for the past and present. The future is called 'perhaps,' which is the only possible thing to call the future. And the important thing is not to let that scare you." Tennessee Williams

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eric1 ( member #47762) posted at 11:55 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

Just know that he is still her boyfriend and through all her crocodile tears she has still been I contact with her.

Ask her if she is telling the truth then confiscate her phone if she is not. DO NOT LET THAT PHONE LEAVE YOUR SIGHT. She decides - the phone or your marriage NOW. Go read ICO's thread to see what happens when you don't stand up for yourself. No exceptions. I can't stress this. If she wants that phone she is sleeping somewhere else.

We will help you forensically recover every single bit of info on it

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eric1 ( member #47762) posted at 11:56 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

And listen to every single word that nononsense says. You are deep in shock. He has called the last 50 affairs here right on the nose. The dude is the Cheating Wife Whisperer.

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Dyokemm ( member #40254) posted at 11:59 PM on Thursday, August 6th, 2015

So sorry you are here.

What you're going through is par for the course....it will get better with time.

"How do you do this to someone? I don't get it."

Eventually, this is something you are just going to have to forget about, whether you choose to R or D.

IMO, there will NEVER be a logical or good reason for what she did.

There is never an 'a ha' moment when your understanding of the mind of a traitor crystallizes and makes sense.

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happyman64 ( member #33212) posted at 2:00 AM on Friday, August 7th, 2015

Walloped

You are going to realize in time that your wife's affair has very little to do with you or the marriage if anything at all.

Take some time to get your emotions under control.

Stop fighting or arguing with your wife. Do not have any conversations until you can both talk rationally.

Your wife needs to come clean 100%. She needs to start being honest. And this very rarely happens over night.

There will be plenty more advice but I will leave you with one of my favorite quotes that applies to your crappy situation. Think about it. The print it out for your wife. Because she has a lot of thinking and soul searching to do.

And she has forced you into a situation where you will have to make life altering decisions.

"Very often we don’t go elsewhere because we are looking for another person. We go elsewhere because we are looking for another self. It isn’t so much that we want to leave the person we are with as we want to leave the person we have become."

by Esther Perel

HM

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nekorb ( member #40306) posted at 4:33 AM on Friday, August 7th, 2015

Walloped - welcome.

What the others have said is spot on.

It's going to be OK. It really is. May not seem like it right now, but it is.

BREATHE.

You're going to get through this. We are here to help when you need us.

Me: BS 44; Him: WH 47 M - 22 Years
D-day: 7/2013; D filed 7/2014; Divorced 7-27-16
...the WS affair starts off in a dreamland where everything is all Golly, Wow! and Meant To Be! and Soul Mates drop from the trees to frolic in the mist. -devotedman

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wk55hn ( member #44159) posted at 6:33 AM on Friday, August 7th, 2015

My wife has been having an affair for the past 3 months.

How do you know how long? Do you have evidence, or just her word on it?

Who is the guy? How did she know the guy? How did they meet initially? Is the other guy married? If so, does his wife know?

This is what she wanted! To have some fling or whatever the heck it was with some guy

Is this what she told you? Why a fling? Have there been other flings? Pretty brazen to hold hands with her in the city where anyone could see it, don't you think? Why did your wife say she cheated? Did your wife say she was in love with him? How many other people did she tell about the affair? How many people know about it now?

Did she have unprotected sex? Did she have sex with you during that time?

How do you know she is not in contact with him?

Has she done any actions? Like change her email, change her phone number? Has she made an appointment to test for STDs? Has she offered to leave the house, or the bedroom, if that's what you want?

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 Walloped (original poster member #48852) posted at 4:12 PM on Friday, August 7th, 2015

So, I'm back. Frankly, I never expected to come back here. After I wrote my incoherent ramblings, I logged off and just put my head down on my desk and cried. Thank god I have an office. I couldn't imagine what I'd be like if I were in a cubicle. After I don't know how long, I called my brother and told him I just thoroughly embarrassed myself in front of a bunch of complete strangers. He told me it was probably normal and then said even writing things down would be helpful - even if people think you’re nuts or a fool. I feel so weird relying on him to keep me upright. He's my kid brother. Anyway he called me late last night to tell me to go back here and look at all the replies and support. I did. I was also floored. Thank you to all who have posted offering support and advice. You don't know me and I don't know you. To do that is pretty special and, I don't know what, but it just is.

I want to thank whoever said I need to take care of myself. Until I read that late last night, I hadn't fully realized that I'd been essentially subsisting on coffee and scraps of whatever I find around. And of course I haven’t been sleeping. So I ate something at about midnight and took melatonin to help me sleep. It helped. This morning I forced myself to eat breakfast. I feel a great deal more clear-headed than I have all week, and it’s helping me keep my emotions in check so I can function like some semblance of a human being, so thank you for that.

So, last night sucked. I was a different person last night then the previous few days. At work, I'm Mr. Analytical. I'm a finance exec, a problem solver, even keeled, handle crisis regularly. Don't miss deadlines. Don't yell at my staff. Expect issues to arise, problems, and develop contingency plans to keep projects on track. These past few days I've been wrecked and don't have a handle on anything. So last night, I came home determined to find out more and talk, without all the emotional stuff devolving everything into yelling and crying. It mostly worked.

Here's what I now know, or at least what she told me - some of which I was able to verify. Please keep in mind I had not read anything you all wrote until afterwards. Oh, and I'll try to reply to questions, etc. as best I can afterwards. My wife is a stay at home mom. She volunteers at numerous organizations. One of them is a children's services organization helping kids with severe illness (my wife was a social worker back when she worked). Some of what she did was visit the children's ward in in the Upper East and West Side of Manhattan (we live in the suburbs. The A-hole volunteered as well. He's older than me. High 40's. Divorced. About 2 years apparently. Yes, she told me his name. He's in real estate so he has plenty of free time. I mentioned we have a married daughter. The wedding was about 4 months ago. He has a married son. She was sharing wedding preparation stories with him. She was stressed due to all the effort and details. The cost. Due to my job I couldn't be part of the plans as much as I wanted to. Thing took a year to put together - the dress, the hall, the caterer, the hotel to put everyone up, the orchestra, flowers, planner. You know. He commiserated. Was helpful. He gave her advice about the wedding. Understood what she was dealing with. Then it was that she deserved a break. He complimented her. He was helpful. Supportive. Not that I wasn’t, according to her, but it was nice hearing it a lot. Told her how impressed he was with her. Volunteering, maintaining a household and making a wedding. Bit she was overdoing it. She needed to do something for herself. Took her for coffee. To lunch. Then accompanied her shopping. to MOMA for an afternoon. She felt old. Becoming a mother-in-law. He validated her. Made her feel young. She’s only 42! She’s not 80. POS played her. According to her, started little touches. She swears he instigated. She felt weird at first, didn’t stop him though. Then pecks on the cheek goodbye. Hugs. I’m sorry. I can’t write the details. Basically, she felt close to him. He told her how I didn’t appreciate what I had. Wasn’t spending enough time with her. She believed him. Started resenting me. My job. My supposed lack of involvement with the wedding. It got fully physical about a month after the wedding. He lives in the Upper West Side. Has an apartment there.

I don’t know how much to believe. She apologized over and over and over again. She loves me. I asked her if she was leaving me for him. She panicked when I said that and swore up and down that she didn’t love him, she doesn’t know why she did this. She loves me. She wants to be with me. Lots and lots of tears. It was sometime hard to get coherent sentences from her. She kept mumbling how she can’t believe this is happening. That her life was over. Her life? How dare she cry about this now! I mostly stayed calm. I really tried. I was dying inside. I still am. But I need answers and to talk and it’s like I’m a hot mess inside right now and am trying to pull whatever info I can. I feel like I’m dealing with my kids when one of them played ball in the house and broke their grandmother’s vase. Like pulling teeth. She kept saying she didn’t want to hurt me anymore. I told her it’s too late for that.

I asked her if she’s still in contact with him. She told me she broke it off with him on Tuesday. Told him I know about it and that she can’t see him again. I called her a liar. I asked how do I know she’s telling me the truth. She swears. So I asked if he was contacting her. She started crying again. Said yes. Blamed it on him. He kept calling. She told him not to. He didn’t listen. She’s talked to him. But she says she keeps telling him it’s over and not to call or text her. I did ask for her phone so I can verify this. Only one outgoing call to his number on Tuesday. 21 minutes. Can you believe that? 21 minutes to say it’s over? She said he kept trying to convince her otherwise. I count 14 calls from him since. Each one no more than 2-3 minutes. She said he keeps saying they had a good thing going. He wants her to leave me for him. She swears she never even entertained the idea. She doesn’t know what happened to her. Apparently I’m her whole life. Fat good that did me.

I’m going to tell you some stuff about us. We were our firsts and only. Were teenagers when we met. Never dated anyone else. Friends, then dating. Married young and had kids right away. Totally in love with each other. Never made sarcastic wife/husband jokes about each other – we were in the googly eye stage for what seemed like forever. We totally supported each other. We’re well off now – not rich, but upper-middle, but we were dirt poor when we started out. Our first dining room set was third hand and cost $250 from an older couple who was moving to Florida. We couldn’t afford boxsprings at the beginning so it was mattresses on the floor. She kept the family together while I was in grad school. She was supermom and superwoman. Always smiling. Always a positive outlook. Believed in the best of people. Gave everyone the benefit of the doubt. She supported me and kept me string when my dad died. He was in his 40’s. I was 22. With a new baby. My brother was a teenager and my mom became a basket case. That whole time I had to be strong for them. Plus, I had to call my grandfather and bring him home for his only son’s funeral. I lied to him. Told him my dad was sick and in the hospital and that he needed to fly to New York. Picked him up from the airport. When he saw me he just started crying. He knew. I had to make all the funeral preparations. At 22. I signed the interment forms. Dealt with the funeral parlor, the cemetery. Took care of his estate, the will, the bills. Took care of my brother (that’s why I feel so weird about him helping me now – I always took care of him). Through it all my wife was there for me. 6 months after he died I had what I guess was a panic attack and broke down. My wife held me for an entire night while I cried like a baby. I even remember what triggered it. There was a classic movie marathon on cable and I had picked up the phone to call my dad to tell him to tape it. I literally started dialing before I realized what I was doing. That’s when I lost it. My wife never complained about me. We were equal parents – each shouldering responsibilities. Diapering, feeding (when she had stopped nursing), toilet training, the works. My kids make fun of me for being so in love with her. You know how kids rank each each other in terms of which are the parent’s favorites? With me, the kids always put my wife first. They’ll say, “We all know mom’s your favorite, dad. Obsessed much?” And it’s true. I never really fully realized how totally dependent on her I am. Not for laundry or cooking or crap like that. For how I feel about me. She validates me. Soothes me. Stands me up. And I always believed I did that for her.

I’m not a saint. Not even close. Neither is she. She does things that drive me crazy. I’m organized. She’s not. I probably drive her nuts some time. Hell, we’re married 23 years. Whatever. Point is, I couldn’t care less about her faults. Never have. But right now I don’t even know what to feel or do. And I’m scared. I don’t know what’s happening to my life. What do I tell my kids. My oldest is married and my second is in college (taking summer courses). Third is in camp for the summer. We told my two boys that I’m sick so I’m in quarantine. We have a guest suite in the basement for when her parents or my mom comes over to visit. That’s where I’m staying now. I can’t imagine being in that bed. I asked her if she ever brought him to our home. She looked shocked and swore she didn’t. They always went to his place during the day. That she’d never disrespect me like that. I almost lost it then. I shouted and said what did she think screwing him for 3 months was! Of course she fell apart. I had to leave the room to calm down.

I didn’t realize how long this was. Sorry. I need to take a break. I actually can’t believe I was able to write this much. I’ll answer what I can as soon as I can. Sorry again. And thanks for all your replies and advice – I’m going to re-read it all. Thanks.

Me: BH 47
Her: WW 46
DDay 8/3/15
"Every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa the bad things don’t necessarily spoil the good things or make them unimportant.” - The Doctor

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