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Jane Austen, Post-Wedding Hangovers, and Why You Need to Fix Your Picker

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 DRSOOLERS (original poster member #85508) posted at 1:34 PM on Sunday, October 25th, 2026

Note: I’ve spent the last couple of weeks writing and rewriting this. It ended up reading a bit more like a blog post than I originally intended, but hopefully there’s still some value in here for anyone navigating this stuff.

I’ll start by admitting this is merely my interpretation of a cinematic adaptation of Sense and Sensibility. As a rule, I tend to avoid costume dramas and the works of Jane Austen entirely. I haven’t read the books, nor have I voluntarily sat through any of the myriad screen adaptations churned out over the decades. So why on earth did I watch it, you might reasonably ask?

My wife and I recently eloped to Edinburgh. The day after the ceremony, we were nursing what was, without hyperbole, the single worst hangover of our collective lives. We had spent the wedding day on the receiving end of endless free drinks, courtesy of enthusiastic well-wishers. I always knew Edinburgh attracted plenty of tourists, but the sheer generosity of Americans upon spotting a newly wed bride and groom was genuinely unmatched.

Desperate for a quiet recovery, we decided to visit The Scotsman Picturehouse, tucked away deep beneath The Scotsman Hotel. It is an absolute gem of a boutique cinema if you ever find yourself in the city. However, when you pitch up to a luxury 48-seat screening room with a very boutique timetable, your cinematic fate is strictly at the mercy of the schedule. Ours led us straight into the arms of 19th-century etiquette and bonnet drama. To make matters worse, the cinema staff kindly served us a couple of complimentary bottles of prosecco to celebrate. Attempting to force down warm fizz while our stomachs were actively launching a military coup against the previous night's American-funded bar tab was a heroic effort, to say the least.

Yet, as I sat there battling mild alcohol poisoning in a velvet armchair, what struck me most about this adaptation was its heavy thematic focus on honour as the single highest currency in a partner. It got me thinking quite a bit about a message I frequently find myself preaching on here: the absolute necessity of fixing your picker.

I suspect many of us, particularly when stumbling into relationships in our youth (but certainly not limited to), aren’t paying a blind bit of attention to morality, boundaries, or basic integrity when choosing a partner. Instead, we chase chemistry, physical compatibility, surface charm, and how entertaining someone is on a Friday night. I fell into that exact trap for years. I was perpetually drawn to alternative women, fixating entirely on shallow aesthetic markers: their taste in music, how they dressed, and just how wonderfully chaotic or wild they were. Back then, if a woman listened to Radiohead, quoted Sartre, and professed a deep love for the deeply unsettling works of Yorgos Lanthimos, I was practically ready to hand over my life savings and line up for the inevitable emotional wreckage. I mistakenly thought a shared obsession with existential dread and surreal cinema was the ultimate proxy for actual human depth.

Instead, I eventually learned the hard way that chasing an aesthetic thrill—no matter how artsy, edgy, or intellectually captivating—is a fantastic recipe for finding short-term amusement, and a catastrophic recipe for finding a life partner. U-turning away from that mindset was easily the best decision I ever made, second only to breaking lockdown rules to invite my now-wife out for a walk.

Watching Sense and Sensibility through that specific lens made the central conflict hit surprisingly close to home, especially given the wreckage we dissect on forums like this every single day. The story drives the point home by contrasting two sisters and their rather dodgy romantic options.

First, you have the main dilemma involving the elder sister, Elinor Dashwood, and Edward Ferrars. Elinor is head over heels for Edward, only to discover he is secretly engaged to someone else. Edward eventually confesses that this prior commitment was made out of a misplaced sense of pity and duty to a family in dire straits. Despite his own utter misery and a desperate desire to be free of it, Edward refuses to break his word because he considers himself bound by honour. When Elinor finds out, her sister Marianne is completely baffled by her restraint, essentially arguing: If he loves you, and you want to be together, why on earth are you walking away? Elinor’s logic relies entirely on character. It is precisely because Edward is the sort of stubborn idiot who will honour a promise at immense personal cost that she respects and loves him. She values his moral integrity far above a convenient, easy shortcut to happiness.

If that lesson feels a bit subtle, Marianne’s own arc hits you over the head with a heavy frying pan. Marianne initially falls head over heels for John Willoughby, a dashing young rogue who is passionate, charming, loves a dance, and seems tailor-made for a high-drama romance. Naturally, he turns out to be entirely spineless, dumping her the second his inheritance is threatened when a bit of real-world adversity hits. Meanwhile, brooding in the corner is Colonel Brandon, a quiet, solemn soldier. To be entirely fair to Marianne, the man never cracks a smile, dresses like an undertaker, and looks like absolute anti-banter at a house party. You can completely sympathise with her writing him off in favour of the exciting rogue. But once Willoughby’s total lack of integrity is exposed, Marianne finally sees Brandon’s quiet, unwavering honour for what it actually is, and gives him a chance.

The film lands on a fairly blunt thesis: charisma, aesthetic appeal, and passion are entirely hollow without underlying character. And if that doesn’t sound like a post-infidelity wake-up call, I don't know what does.

So many of the relationship breakdowns we look at on these forums trace right back to the initial selection process. When you choose a partner based purely on butterflies, excitement, or how well they fit an aesthetic fantasy, you are completely bypassing the metrics that actually matter when life gets heavy: integrity, impulse control, emotional resilience, and a bedrock commitment to honour. If someone’s foundational character is built on sand, the first time they encounter an ego stroke, a rough patch, or a bit of workplace temptation, they fold like a cheap deckchair. They don't have the internal architecture to stay loyal because they were never chosen—or choosing—based on character in the first place.

Now, I want to be crystal clear here: This is not victim blaming. No matter wether your picker needs fixed, it's not your fault they cheated! I am also well aware that not all cases of infidelity fit neatly into the "faulty picker" box. Many people on these forums picked their partner for all the right reasons. You evaluated their character, watched how they treated people, and chose them precisely because they demonstrated outstanding morals, solid principles, and genuine integrity over years or even decades. You didn't fall for a charming rogue; you chose someone who genuinely seemed to have a rock-solid foundation.

The harsh reality is that people can change. Life events, personal crises, severe burnout, or mental breakdowns can cause someone to drift dramatically, temporarily disaligning their actions from the very morality they once held dear. In those tragic instances, I honestly doubt there is anything a betrayed partner could have done to mitigate or predict the betrayal. Even if you are exceptionally sharp, picking up on those subtle internal shifts before the line is crossed is nearly impossible, and I remain deeply skeptical that anyone can fully guard against a fundamental shift in their partner's psychological state.

Crucially, acknowledging that someone suffered a crisis, cheated, and subsequently restored their principles doesn't make their actions inherently forgivable either. A midlife crisis or psychological spiral explains a choice, but it doesn't excuse it. As we know all too well on these forums, countless people walk through the absolute darkest valleys of life, grief, and crisis, and never choose to betray their partner. Integrity isn't tested when things are smooth sailing; it's defined by what you do when the ship hits an iceberg.

Granted, in the real world, you would hope you don't have to settle for the bleak Austen choice between an exciting cad and a deeply honourable man who acts like a wet weekend. Ideally, you want to fix your picker so you end up with someone who is passionate, hilarious, and fundamentally good to their core. I did a lot of work refining my picker between being betrayed and finding my wife. A few failed relationships and many causal acquaintances acted as the unfortunate catalyst for this development. But fun was had along the way and it's lead me to someone who I think ticks all the boxes.

Character isn't just a nice-to-have bonus feature once the initial spark settles down. It's the whole ballgame. Society seems to have devalued honour. Id say bring it back

Move it to the top the list. While fixing your picker can't guarantee 100% immunity against someone fundamentally unravelling years down the line, prioritizing the quiet architecture of integrity remains the single best line of defense we have.

[This message edited by DRSOOLERS at 1:48 PM, Sunday, October 25th]

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 4:48 PM on Sunday, October 25th, 2026

I usually look at dogs on Instagram, however today I listened to a woman whose message was spot on.
We don’t just marry our spouse. We marry every single person that had an impact on them from birth. Every rule, every argument, school, etc.
As a social worker whose clientele was making poor choices I had to explain to foster parents what to expect. They had brought their own family histories into their relationships. Not only that they had then made a new family with entangled rules. Into that home comes a kid with a pretty distorted idea of behaviors and then try to figure out how to navigate their new but, hopefully, temporary home.
So marriage can be a crap shoot. You had better have the same sense of humor, the same moral structure, the same hopes and plans for the future but reality is going to hit at some point. My family NEVER used sarcasm. My husband used it all the time. It has taken me years to get him to stop. It is aggression disguised as humor. Don’t know where he got it because his parents are sweet people.
He cheated. I did not confront until years later. I am sure alcohol, traveling and a good time were the catalysts. I have never wanted to cheat. The only people I know who did wanted out of a bad marriage. When asked why they didn’t just leave all of them said they did not know how unhappy they were until they met another person. I guess you get mired down in the grind until very little daylight shows. Then a miracle occurs. Only two stayed w their affair partners.
We all think we are so mature. I beg to differ.

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 5:46 PM on Sunday, October 25th, 2026

Congratulations on your M. I wish you the best.

If you're going to get drunk, I can't think of a better place than Edinburgh, except, perhaps, Islay.

Looks like you solved the problem of taking money from your father. Let him buy you a couple of good English bicycles so you and your new W can cycle through the lake district.... smile

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I avoided Austen until the 'Masterpiece Theater' broadcasts of the 1995 BBC version of Pride and Prejudice. It got me to read the book. That version wasn't absolutely perfect, but it was close. It got me to read the rest of her novels, all of which are stil waiting for a good translation to video.

I've been especially unhappy with the translations of Sense and Sensibility, and your comments make me fear this new one is lacking, too.

You really need to read the book.

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Instead, we chase chemistry, physical compatibility, surface charm, and how entertaining someone is on a Friday night. The girl I dated on and off when I was 15-16 had a fantastic, fully adult, truly voluptuous body. Think the young Sophia Loren. She wasn't very nice, though. IDK ... youngsters of all genders need time to mature physically and emotionally. So by the time I was 16, I knew enough to look deeper than outward form. I never thought I was uncommon in that regard.

Don't get me wrong. Outward form could spark interest, but for me, by the time I was 18, conversation was more powerful than looks. I just wasn't going to commit much of myself on the basis of a spark alone.

So many of the relationship breakdowns we look at on these forums trace right back to the initial selection process. When you choose a partner based purely on butterflies, excitement, or how well they fit an aesthetic fantasy, you are completely bypassing the metrics that actually matter when life gets heavy: integrity, impulse control, emotional resilience, and a bedrock commitment to honour.

Once again, I have little doubt that strong glutes and, for men, good lungs attract attention, but by late teens, don't most people know there's more to life than limerence? I mean limerence is part of what makes 2 people a couple, but don't the vast majority of human beings know that's not enough to sustain a relationship?

My bet is that most of us have a pretty healthy selection process - and zero ability to predict the future.

I don't see many SIers demonstrating that they ignored character. Rather, they express shock that the person they thought was honest and humane broke character. Most BSes here say the A(s) seem so out of character.

The harsh reality is that people can change.

Exactly. I know you (and others) assume character is defined by a person's worst behavior. But perhaps most of us are people of character until they weren't.

IMO, the vast majority of us break down because of a combination of pressures, not because we're evil. That is, we all can do evil; we all can do good. We're (virtually) all some combo of our worst, our best, and our in between.

Granted, in the real world, you would hope you don't have to settle for the bleak Austen choice between an exciting cad and a deeply honourable man who acts like a wet weekend.

IDK if this is your preconceptions talking or just a bad interpretation of the book. Read the book. You may find you've misinterpreted the character.

Ideally, you want to fix your picker so you end up with someone who is passionate, hilarious, and fundamentally good to their core.

I think one of Austen's best abilities is to describe real people with accuracy. A few are caricatures, but I see her making successful attempts to show us that people aren't on thing or another. Everybody is sympathetic, except those who represent rigid convention, and even most of them seem to have aspects that aren't totally awful (Senior moment - I can't think of the names right now). I think one of her points is that there's something in all of her characters that are part of us.

Character isn't just a nice-to-have bonus feature once the initial spark settles down. It's the whole ballgame. Society seems to have devalued honour. Id say bring it back

I read of an experiment in a college psych class some years ago:

At the start of the class, the students were asked to rank the desirability of their classmates. They were then separated into teams to complete a weeks-long project. After the project was completed, the students were again surveyed about their classmates' desirability.

The researchers concluded that the 1st survey, done when the students presumably knew little about each other, got answers based on looks - desirability was based on what the researchers thought were the best looking class members.

But the 2nd survey was based exactly on character, as much as character could be determined on the basis of of a project that lasted weeks. That is, the researchers concluded the people who were the best teammates moved way up in terms of desirability.

Maybe my optimism isn't misplaced.

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d-day - 12/22/2010 Recover'd and R'ed
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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 8:31 PM on Sunday, October 25th, 2026

It got me thinking quite a bit about a message I frequently find myself preaching on here: the absolute necessity of fixing your picker.

Oh... the irony!

I've given you a lot of grief over the last year for reasons I'd imagine you're well aware (although I suspect you've dismissed most of it out of indignation). While this post was well written and insightful, the irony has had me laughing out loud for quite a while.

For someone who - or so you claim - has analyzed hundreds (or was it thousands?) of cases, I find it hard to believe you’ve missed that a good many betrayed spouses contemplate this very notion. I couldn't possibly remember how often members here have discussed or questioned their broken picker, even if in different ways or words.

You’re preaching to the choir, which is only a part of the irony.

Most of the members here are are older, wiser and more experienced than you. A good percentage will offer the gift of reconciliation for all sorts of reasons, good and bad. The lesson you seek to impart is a little too late. It would certainly benefit a much younger crowd, which, for me, only adds to the irony.

There's an underlying theme here that is also very dismissive. While I cannot speak to accurate statistics, a respectful number of couples have successfully reconciled and are quite happy with their picker. I know you find that difficult to accept. In that regard, your assertion is insulting.

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D-Day April, 2015
Divorced May, 2022

"The Universe is not short on wake-up calls. We're just quick to hit the snooze button." -Brene Brown

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