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Do cheaters not care about their kids?

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hikingout ( member #59504) posted at 8:05 AM on Wednesday, November 30th, 2022

Hi former ws here.

Cheaters run the gambit in terms of the bigger picture of their parenting. Some were never a parent in the first place and may never be, while for others this is more of an aberration to who they have generally been as a parent.

I agree with the posters that most of us (including myself) felt that we would never be caught. I did not associate what I was doing with them much at all. In my case we were empty nest and it was easier to compartmentalize them as they weren’t living with us.

Most people who are actively cheating share the following traits:

-at least a temporary set of narcissistic tendencies. So much so I worried I had undiagnosed NPD. (My situation was love addiction and I put the fix before everyone including my own best interests like any other addict and once that was managed the Narc tendencies went away)

-fantasy world/magical thinking/projection of things into the AP that aren’t really there.

-a sense of entitlement over some unresolved resentment (Examples might be "I make more money and have to kill myself providing", "I do everything for everyone", in other words some form of martyrdom narrative or a narrative they are special and above the rules

-feeling that they are clever enough to get away with it

-poor coping skills combined with a new stressor. Thus the extreme escapism.

Also some percentage of them are in active love or sex addiction. I experienced love addiction. I do not blame my affair on this addiction, like all addictions the choice to start has to come first. But once it began I was really no different than a heroin addict and that became my primary focus over ever other thing in my life. It created more decisions created by the need to feed that addiction making me more erratic and not rational at all.

People often scoff at this but there is scientific research that supports there is a physical dependency on the flooding of dopamine for some brought on by an affair. Nothing matters as much as getting that fix and there is often true withdrawal that happens when it ends as a result. None of this has anything to do with the AP being great at all- they are almost always someone inappropriate and a far step down from the spouse.

To answer your question more directly now that I have given some background:

No I do not feel I was a good parent during my affair. I compromised the future of our family, and I abused their father who they love. I didn’t consider them in it at all and became less connected and distant with them during that time and the year following the affair. If love is actions, which I believe that it is, then certainly by that definition I wasn’t loving them. In my mind, my feelings of love for them never left but that doesn’t count for much with everything else needed is out of alignment with that. (The same is true in regards with love towards my bs)

However, I think that outside of this period of my life I was an excellent mother and loved my children more than anything with all my thoughts and actions in alignment with that.

We all have periods of time that potentially checks us out of being the best attentive parent we can be. The struggle I faced during my recovery was this was a willful choice whereas most other examples of that sort of distraction is cause by something life thrusts on you - whether it be grief, depression,etc. And even worse, you take down the other parent at the same time limiting their ability to be present as well.

For me, I had to accept that I could only change things moving forward. A remorseful ws will work their ass off to do the work to ensure this will not be a decision that will be repeated. And that deep work I did on myself through those years actually did make me a better parent moving forward in countless ways.

I will always hate the reasons that brought me this growth but have found that I can still be grateful that growth occurred. Today, I am a genuinely happy, authentic, loving person who has figured out her relationship with herself. And it changed all my relationships for the better.

I am almost six years out, though I think I could have made those last statements around the three year mark. Change is slow and hard, and it’s done in layers. You can’t see x needs changed until you accomplish y. And each thing can have varying levels of depth/levels of difficulty.

Your ws may be a bad parent right now. I hope they do the work and can show up differently in that role moving forward. It’s hard to see right now that nothing has to be true forever. But also that the only one who can change that is them.

[This message edited by hikingout at 8:21 AM, Wednesday, November 30th]

8 years of hard work - WS and BS - Reconciled

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Emptyglass ( member #80295) posted at 11:22 AM on Wednesday, November 30th, 2022

Hikingout- thank you for sharing this. It is incredibly well thought out.

I constantly wonder questions such as this one and this explanation was very helpful

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Squish ( member #79546) posted at 1:29 AM on Tuesday, December 6th, 2022

Hiking out- thank you for your thoughtful answer. I hope my wh finds it in himself to being the best person he can be for our family.

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20yrsagoBS ( member #55272) posted at 3:19 AM on Tuesday, December 6th, 2022

WH let his AP plan to be a mother to my infant son, he never shut down the conversations she initiated. She planned to be my son’s stepmother.


No, I don’t share my kids. Not with the town slut

BW, 54 WH 53 When you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas

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LittleRussian ( member #36658) posted at 1:25 PM on Tuesday, December 6th, 2022

I'm sure in his way XWH loved and loves our children. But he had little enough to do with them before we split (to the extent that he wouldn't have known who their friends were, what subjects they were taking at school ......) So it was no great surprise to me when 2 out of the 3 refused to have anything to do with him once we split. I'm sure I'm the evil ex keeping him from him children, but since the children are now all in their twenties and 2 don't live with me I really don't think I can be blamed any more! And I never stopped them seeing him anyway

Me - firmly middle aged
Him XH - slightly younger (but not much!)
3 young adult children

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CaptainRogers ( member #57127) posted at 1:43 PM on Tuesday, December 6th, 2022

If I may quote my WW, her words were that she was "ready to be done." She had in her mind that she was going to walk out and have a new life where she was no longer my wife, nor was she the mom of 6.

Waywards are, by definition, selfish. They generally do not think/care about anyone except themselves. That is all part of the wayward mindset.

BS: 42 on D-day
WW: 43 on D-day
Together since '89; still working on what tomorrow will bring.
D-Day v1.0: Jan '17; EA
D-day v2.0: Mar '18; no, it was physical

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Chaos ( member #61031) posted at 11:48 PM on Tuesday, December 6th, 2022

I think that a huge portion of cheaters, certainly the compartmentalizers, truly do not consider the ramifications and consequences of what they are doing and what would happen if they are caught. They don't truly think of what it would do to their spouse and they don't truly consider what would happen to their kids.

This sums it up. hikingout also has an excellent list.

The compartmentalizers really have iron gates on those compartments. And they believe the lies they tell themselves. I won't get caught. I can't keep doing this. This will be the last time.

It wasn't that WH didn't care about his kids. It that they didn't even factor into the equation.

BS-me/WH-4.5yrLTA Married 2+ decades-2 adult children. Multiple DDays w/same LAP until I told OBS 2018- Cease & Desist sent spring 2021 "Hello–My name is Chaos–You f***ed my husband-Prepare to Die!"

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Mene ( member #64377) posted at 7:38 AM on Saturday, December 10th, 2022

Selfish, delusional.

I just couldn’t do it to my children. They’re the reason I have stayed. In hindsight it was the right decision. Even today I’d still do the same. In my children I see the only thing good about this "marriage". I sacrificed my ego, my sanity and my health to ensure they weren’t going to live across two households.

Life wasn’t meant to be fair...

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Naamah ( member #79634) posted at 8:11 AM on Saturday, December 10th, 2022

I asked this question to my WH in the early stages after DD. His mind was still foggy. He replied that he thought that no one will find out his A - no knowledge equals no harm. He also decided that he felt unnecessary and had the impression that our son was already old enough to manage without him. When I mentioned a few recent occasions where both my son and I needed him, he replied that he felt used 😳 I don't know how you can feel useless and used at the same time, but I guess that's how a cheater's brain works.
Currently (two and a half years after DD) he believes that he would give his life for our son and for me and would not let anyone hurt us... I have already stopped trying to understand, and I sift his words through a thick sieve.

Naamah

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BootsAndJeans64 ( new member #82466) posted at 12:55 AM on Tuesday, December 13th, 2022

No they do not.

All they care about is their selfish needs.

They rationalize that the kids will be OK. That their fantasy future will be amazing for everyone.

The kids will be damaged and that damage will last a lifetime. Rarely does a cheaters new life turn out as good or better than the life/family they destroyed.

Cheaters with kids, should be flogged.

58(m), Wife 56. Married 38+ years. Two grown children.

When my wife says "I've been thinking", I just put on my work boots. I am about to be digging, fixing, moving or doing something".

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