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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 11:53 PM on Thursday, September 29th, 2022

Folks, I blew it. FAD's d-day did not register with me. I jumped to the coclusion that he was a BS who had rugswept for a relatively long while. Obviously I did not get that right.

On my other thread, I got accused by a mod of being a WS trying to figure out BS's. I'm sorry if my approach isn't fitting the SI cookie cutter needs, or is too fucking abstract. My work is in science....

Gently, I think you misread that. Since I didn't note your d-day, I wrote more bluntly than usual.

I did not accuse you of being a WS trying to get inside the head of your BS. I wrote, in essence, that your words could be interpreted that way.

The paragraph in which I actually stated my real interpretation of what you wrote said that I believe you are a BS who rugswept.

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You can post pretty much in any way you want, as long as it's within the guidelines. That's important. The guidelines offer every member wide latitude. The guidelines are here: https://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums/guidelines/.

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If you post very abstractly, you'll get abstract responses, at least from me, and you'll respond like the person who is lost in the fog in a balloon who is told that they're lost in the fog in a balloon when they ask, 'Where am I?'

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I do apologize for being the catalyst for your leaving, and I urge you to reconsider. You'll get a lot of support from SI. You won't mesh with everyone, though. And some counsel may be heard to accept, even when it may be true.

My reco is to try out propositions that are offered to you. If they don't seem to fit for you, try 'em on again. If they still don;t fit for you after after being as objective as you can, you can reject the proposition - but if it sticks in your mind, you have more work to do with it.

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If you want to use your posts to heal, experience shows that sharing your own experience is the best approach.

The only experience that applies to your healing is your own. There are loads of similarities between BSes as a class, but so far we have only the most general rules for healing, and they are too general to apply to even the vast majority of cases - except the general principle of dealing with your own pain - i.e. your own variations/differences from the 'norm'.

Also, healing goes better when you start with you. What do you want, irrespective of what your WS wants? If you want to stay together, do you have requirements? If so, what are they? If you're unaware of what you want, you need to figure out how to bring your wants to the surface in observable measurable terms; otherwise, you are too likely not to get what you want.

And you can't heal if you try to keep your pain at a distance. Trying just never works. You do and then succeed or fail to do what you aim to do. Sometimes failure is more rewarding than succeeding, though usually success is more enjoyable. But as Yoda said about trying: 'Do or don't do.'

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What your WS goes through is simply something out of your control. Your WS's experiences are your WS's responsibility. You can provide emotional and other support if you want to, but that's not a requirement.

IMO, though, a WS who aims to R without healing is a weak partner for R. I suggest reading the 'Beyond Regret and Remorse' thread in the R forum and the 'What every WS needs to know' thread in the Healing Library (or the WS forum) for more on that.

This is why: R is difficult. When the WS is in R for the BS or for R, it's too easy to blame the BS or R for 'making' the WS do the hard work. That builds resentments. If the WS is in R to heal, the WS knows they're responsible for choosing the hard work.

In any case, SI is not about D or R. We're about surviving and thriving. Sometimes the best path to thriving is through R, sometimes, D.

You heal you. Your WS heals your WS. Together, if you both want to, you heal/build/rebuild your M.

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It only seems like you are the pivot point. In fact, you and your WS both have power and autonomy.

You can't R(econcile) unless both you and your WS are willing to do the necessary work. If one or both of you are or become unwilling, you can only D, wait, or r(ugsweep).

Separate what is within your scope, hwat is within your WS's scope, and what is shared. Your recovery starts with you. Your WS's recovery starts with your WS.

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RealityBlows ( member #41108) posted at 6:30 AM on Friday, September 30th, 2022

Hey FAD, I’m trying to reconcile (wrangle) your two posts and get oriented with your situation.

Can we start over, from the beginning? You’re just four weeks from D-Day and you’re, quite understandably, going through a flight of ideas trying to make sense of something so utterly nonsensical.

As a person of science, this has to be driving you nuts.

Let’s start from the beginning, let’s lay this out on an examination table and study, with a methodical and objective scientific approach, the evolution of her affair, as best you can recount, from alpha to omega, including her behavior after D-Day.

And then we can all climb into this with you and get on the same page, on the right foot.

[This message edited by RealityBlows at 6:33 AM, Friday, September 30th]

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BreakingBad ( member #75779) posted at 8:09 AM on Friday, September 30th, 2022

I may be too late to the party, but I'm hoping you're still reading responses out of morbid curiosity if nothing else.

I get that you are in a science field, but you can't "logic" your way out of this pain. You have to feel it.

You'll make yourself crazy with "what ifs?" "what about?" and other theorizing. You have to deal with what happened, what is, and how you feel right now.

It's raw. It's overwhelming and terrifying. We get it. Truly. We've lived it.

It took me months to even admit to myself how much energy and time I was wasting on thoughts that basically boiled down to "I wish I could go back in time and do this or say that or know this...and somehow magically prevent all this destruction and pain." Once I realized I was spinning my wheels on this emotional distraction, I had to take myself in hand and really accept: THIS HAPPENED--every lie, every secret, each and every choice to betray me and our relationship. It happened. I had accept that it was never going to change and face it.

Then I had to ask myself, "Knowing all of that, can I continue to be married to someone who did these things? If I can, what would it take from that person to make me stay?"

Your form of emotional distraction seems to be theorizing (instead of my magical thinking distraction).

I can tell you that, once I made myself face the horrible reality that my WS had laid at my feet, my own healing began.

Let us walk this terrible path you are now on with you. We know the ground.

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