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redsox13 ( member #43391) posted at 2:36 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

I think every man who goes through this becomes obsessed with the feeling of powerlessness, and the sense of being weak.

I thought a good deal in my own R about what that means. I concluded if I pursued R because I was scared of being alone, or because I was scared of change, or if I somehow just wanted the whole thing to go away I was being weak.

Calling your wife in the middle of the night because you are scared and alone is in that definition being weak.

Some here I think believe pursuing R is ALWAYS a sign of weakness. I don't agree with that, but I understand it. If you are pursuing R because you believe that it is possible to build a new marriage (the old marriage is dead whatever you do) and if you have a good sense of what you need and what changes you need to see in your spouse then I do not believe you are being weak.

Calling your wife to say these are the things you need and explaining how she is not doing them is not weak. I do not believe that calling your wife and telling them the effect their actions have had on you is weak either.

FWIW

BS - 45
fWW - 43
Simply getting better.

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william ( member #41986) posted at 2:58 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

Why does it matter if its menopause or not? If that's an excuse to not control your body and cheat than i guess every woman over a certain age has the bulletproof reason. Its nonsense. You get focused heavily on crap that doesn't matter.

me - bh
her - lara01

from 09/11 - 05/13
2 ONS, 10 sexting partners, 1 LT EA/PA

??/06/13 DD/1 - admits to LT EA, begin false R.
01/13/14 DD/2 - LTA was PA.
01/18/14 DD/3 - sexting 5 guys.
01/19/14 DD/4 - 2 ONS with different guys

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 3:20 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

Why does it matter if its menopause or not? If that's an excuse to not control your body and cheat than i guess every woman over a certain age has the bulletproof reason. Its nonsense. You get focused heavily on crap that doesn't matter.

William, I'm not focused on menopause in relation to her affair. I became interested in menopause not because she listed it as a possible reason for her affair. I was interested in it because I don,'t understand it.

None of her alleged possible reasons for an affair are acceptable to me.

My wife did not enter into an affair because of menopause, a lack of attention, bad home life, lack of intimacy, lack of sex, communication problems with me or any of the myriad excuses WS's give as reasons for their behavior.

My wife entered into her affair because she chose to enter an affair.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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Catwoman ( member #1330) posted at 3:22 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

I have always been very protective of my wife. I never wanted to do anything that might cause her pain or embarrass her. But now, if I don't address the issue straight on, I'm the one who looks like a fool or an ass.

"Protecting" her at this juncture is abetting her behavior. I'm not saying go rent a billboard, but I am saying that you no longer need to be the keeper of her secrets. There's a saying around here: you chose the action, you chose the consequence. Other people finding out is a consequence of having an illicit extramarital affair.

I love my kids, but I have never let them see me cry. I was raised in the generation of real men don't cry. It is very difficult for me to let them see me weak, upset devastated or weeping. It's an entirely new paradigm for me.

This must be very difficult for a man to deal with, particularly with adult male children. However, when we share our vulnerability with trusted others, we give our relationship with them a chance to deepen and grow on more levels. I don't think you should feel embarrassed about how you feel. It's up to you how and what you communicate to your children, but it is perfectly normal to have some degree of upset, particularly in your case.

For the first time in my life I have developed an anger issue. It's all directly related to my wife screwing the POSOM. I don't want my children to see that component of this mess.

I think it's okay to be angry as long as it is controlled. This is an anger-provoking act on your WW's part. My former spouse used to make a big deal about "please don't hate me." My therapist at the time said, "It's OKAY to hate him--look at what he's done to you and what he continues to do. Again, sharing our emotions with trusted others gives our relationships a chance to grow and become deeper.

I know everybody here seems to have clear cut reasoning for what I, or anyone else in a similar situation, should do. Immediately file for divorce, go NC, do the 180, open new bank accounts, etc., etc. These are apparently tried, true and effective, but quite foreign to me.

It's okay to feel a bit at sea with all of these changes. You recognize, of course, that these recommendations are tried and true from people who have been there where you are now--people who wish they had done something completely different vs. the Pick Me dance and other demeaning things they thought would get them out of infidelity. You'll get there--we're here for you.

My wife has an affair and I'm the one who has to change who I am? She cheats and therefore I have to change my personality, character, thinking and everything I do?

This is not easy for me. It seems so unfair. I don't want to remain in infidelity, but I also don't want to become so far removed from who I am that I no longer recognize myself.

No, we don't want you to be someone you are not, but we want your ACTIONS to state firmly and without ambivalence that you are no longer willing to live in infidelity. What your WW chooses to do--remaining actively in infidelity, being a "dry drunk" with regards to infidelity (this would be not actively engaging in infidelity, but continuing to not work on herself, deal with her issues, help you heal, etc.) or actually become a remorseful person you can engage in building a new relationship with.

Again, actions, meet consequences. You no longer wish to live in infidelity. That is your choice. A potential consequence is that your marriage ends because your partner is NOT willing to get out of infidelity. You're still the same person with the same kindness and grace--you're just standing up and putting some boundaries around that kind and graceful person because your partner was actively hurting you and taking advantage of your kindness and grace.

I struggle with this all the time. I struggle with the thought that I should reach out to this woman whom I have loved for nearly all of my adult life.

Of course it is difficult. For decades, you have shared life's difficulties with this person and she has been a source of comfort for you. Now she is not. That's a huge sea change. It will take time for that to feel like your new normal. IC will help. Trust us.

I want my children to know they should never put up with infidelity, but I also want them to know that where sin abounds, grace abounds more abundantly.

What's important here is that grace should be shared with those who are actively working to get out of infidelity and heal the relationship they wantonly broke. "Cheap Forgiveness" does no one any good and actually can provide a path to more infidelity and harm to the relationship.

And don't believe that malarkey about "forgiveness is necessary for you to heal." If the person is still actively hurting you, why should you forgive them? I strive here for acceptance of what has happened, not to forgive someone who continues to engage in hurtful, deliberate actions designed only to cause me pain.

In my view, forgiveness is earned, not bestowed to make someone feel better about themselves. The first step to earning forgiveness is to cease affair behaviors of deception, non-transparency, etc. She's not there, and she has told you she doesn't WANT to be there. So bestowing any forgiveness on her is cheap. Meaningless. She hasn't earned any of this. She may never earn any of this (particularly if she is indeed disordered, which I think is more likely than not).

I have no doubt that if you had a partner who was truly willing and capable of doing the hard work it takes to rebuild a marriage after an extramarital affair, you would find within you a veritable well of grace, understanding and acceptance as you work through the process.

Cat

FBS: Married 20 years, 2 daughters 27 and 24. Divorced by the grace of GOD.
D-Days: 2/23/93; 10/11/97; 3/5/03
Ex & OW Broke up 12-10
"An erection does not count as personal growth."

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 3:30 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

TimelessLoss

36,

The hyper technical term is cognitive dissonance. It defines the battle you are experiencing with yourself. Read about it. See if it resonates.

For me, I dumb it down to the heart and mind are not aligned.

I am absolutely experiencing cognitive dissonance. It's real. It's depressing.

Regarding the template and telling family members: Adultery betrays a covenant. The lies and deceit betray the entire family. Because it steals from everyone. Lying and deceitful behavior destroys trust and relationships. Honesty restore a firm sense of what is real versus the otherworldliness created by deceit.

Yes, adultery betrays a covenant. Yes, everyone in my family is affected by her adultery in certain ways. Honesty has, so far, not circumvented feelings of cognitive dissonance

Examine why you would tell your children. What you would tell them. Not because of a "paint by number" template. But because of your own sense of what they deserve to know.

I am still pondering this.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 3:44 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

sopainfulstill

I have much to say about this post. I will keep it brief and whats most heavy on my heart. I believe what we do most poorly here at SI; most particularly on JFO is what you've just described. We tend to be so focused on getting people out of infidelity... telling new members what they should be doing, what they are doing wrong, go NC, see a lawyer, tell the kids, expose, call HR, get a VAR, tell OBS, etc etc - that we ALL forget how incredibly heartbroken we once were. I agree that the advice given here is good advice. But... it is so difficult to hear when new posters are barely functioning.

I think you nailed it. The shock of discovery is difficult enough even without the template advice. But, of course, the reason I am on SI is to receive the benefit of of other BS's experience.

However, I still need to process all that has and will happen because of her affair. It takes time.

I was where you once were. I had no idea who I was. The puzzle pieces no longer fit together. I am 3 years out; I am still married. We are in R and in a decent place. I am just now able to remember who I once was. I am banged up and scarred forever.... but I can remember me again. You will get there. It will take way too long. But it will happen.

Right now I have zero hope of getting there again.

PS. I was particularly irritated at all of the comments about menopause. I felt you were unfairly criticized. You were advised that she told you of a pregnancy as manipulation and then we all became monkeys in the circus. Its so easy to get caught up in. BTW - because of this post - I sat down and explained to my husband that I have been in the stages of menopause for exactly 24 months. I told him what this means and that I will officially be in menopause when my periods stop for 12 months. I told him that though it is VERY unlikely that I can get pregnant, it is possible. His response was - "why are you telling me this, I was snipped 14 years ago. And I want to sound interested but it makes no difference to me." Hopefully no one will ever criticize him - thanks to you. :)

I personally wish I had never brought up the topic of menopause. But I did and suffered the consequences. I have a natural curiosity about things of which I have no familiarity. Whether it's hearing someone use a phrase, terminology or new word I've never heard or my WW referring to her alleged experience with menopause, I want to know what these things mean.

I'm still, and probably always will be, the guy who doesn't want to walk down the feminine products aisle at the supermarket, but I want to understand certain female experiences. When I don't understand I ask questions.

I appreciate you telling me that you took action after reading the menopause threads and discussed it with your husband. He may not fully appreciate it yet, but he will.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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Wool94 ( member #53300) posted at 4:10 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

I believe what we do most poorly here at SI; most particularly on JFO is what you've just described. We tend to be so focused on getting people out of infidelity... telling new members what they should be doing, what they are doing wrong, go NC, see a lawyer, tell the kids, expose, call HR, get a VAR, tell OBS, etc etc - that we ALL forget how incredibly heartbroken we once were

This is so true. I think I suffer from doing this to others as well. It's a great reminder.

36, you are not weak!

You aren't given a step by step guide when she cheated on you.

You do you. You won't disappoint most of us here.

Only you really know how you feel. Just look at us as cheerleaders for you.

D-Day #1: April 7, 2016
D-Day #2: May 21, 2016
D-Day #3: June 7, 2016
Me: 1975
Her:WW (amn8r) 1981
Son 2006
Daughter 2009
"God not only loves you, but He actually likes you. "-Stephen Hooks

"My faith is mine now."

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k94ever ( member #11176) posted at 7:44 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

Yes 36....you are lost right now and don't have any idea where the "you" went to.

Sadly that "you" is gone. You have been forever changed.

And it's not necessarily a bad thing. You get the chance to rediscover who "you" are now. Sure...there will be things from the old "you" that are still there and always will be. But there are also new "yous" waiting for you to find them.

It's scary, but not a bad thing.

k9

BS:61
WS: 53
Betrayed: 24 years
Affairs: 15 (2 lasted 3 months. Rest were ONS)
WS died: 16 May 2011
Do not stay in your hurt forever. Choose to move out of it.

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Everychance ( member #60698) posted at 8:50 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

36 hope your feeling better today. Part of me was sorry I suggested you talk about your emotions then I read the replies - all so spot on and M1965 you nailed it as always. 36 your selflessness is awesome but when it comes to surviving infidelity it's your worst enemy. It's not what happens to you it's how you deal with it that matters. We all know bad things happen to good people everyday and none of this is fair or right but you can hold your head high knowing you have been considerate, kind and caring through adversity. No one on SI can ease your deep pain but the repeat message here is LOOK AFTER YOURSELF!!! Sending you strength, hugs and anything you need to have a better day.

Me - BW
Married 26 years
Surviving Infidelity is a journey not a destination.

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 8:52 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

36 hope your feeling better today. Part of me was sorry I suggested you talk about your emotions then I read the replies - all so spot on and M1965 you nailed it as always. 36 your selflessness is awesome but when it comes to surviving infidelity it's your worst enemy. It's not what happens to you it's how you deal with it that matters. We all know bad things happen to good people everyday and none of this is fair or right but you can hold your head high knowing you have been considerate, kind and caring through adversity. No one on SI can ease your deep pain but the repeat message here is LOOK AFTER YOURSELF!!! Sending you strength, hugs and anything you need to have a better day.

Thanks. I appreciate the good thoughts from down under.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 9:09 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

Someone PM'd me and mentioned that this thread may top out at 50 pages long and a new one will need to be started. Does anyone know if this is true?

[This message edited by 36yearsgone at 3:10 PM, November 2nd (Thursday)]

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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tiredofcrying59 ( member #56180) posted at 10:13 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

personally wish I had never brought up the topic of menopause. But I did and suffered the consequences.

Actually, I think I asked you about this on like page 2. Because the whole story sounded so completely crazy to me and I have known a couple women who did go completely batshit crazy during menopause. This is rare, but I have seen it happen.

BW
Me-59
Him-57
M-33 yrs, not that I "celebrate" it
D-day-10/30/16 2mo.PA w/COW attempting R

new news- like a 5 year A w/COW, no longer attempting R. What am I, an idiot?

Getting on with life, without him.

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Emil ( new member #61279) posted at 10:14 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

inappropriate response

[This message edited by SI Staff at 4:47 PM, November 2nd (Thursday)]

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 10:19 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

I guess your little vacation didn't help you just registered with a new screen name.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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xhz700 ( member #44394) posted at 10:31 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

Emil,

You are very well spoken, but with a lot of bullshit ideas. MGTOW? I am guessing that you are fat, white and single, probably 33. Sorry the PUA stuff didn't work out for you in the early 2000's. Maybe step away from World of Warcraft or whatever you play and step out into the sun.

If there was any chance that David Duke could use a computer, I might have thought you were him.

[This message edited by xhz700 at 4:32 PM, November 2nd (Thursday)]

Behold! The field in which I grow my fucks.

Lay thine eyes upon it, and thou shalt see that it is barren.

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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 10:32 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

Yeah, limit is page 50.

BH
DDAY Mar 2014
Widowed 2022 - breast cancer

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MidnightRun ( member #59434) posted at 10:38 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

Your wife cheated because she wanted to. Hell, it could very well have happened with another woman who brought her the right bullshit line. That's the mindset of a cheater.

You did absolutely nothing wrong.

You're simply getting out of infidelity.

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notalking ( new member #59797) posted at 11:41 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

Wondering if the inappropriate poster could be the AP.

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antlered ( member #46011) posted at 11:48 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

Xhz700 you owe me a mouthful of beer.

And the three paper towels needed to clean my laptop screen!

"Being cheated on was at once the worst and best thing that has ever happened to me.

"There is a huge amount of strength to be had from walking the path of integrity."

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 11:58 PM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

Wondering if the inappropriate poster could be the AP.

That's an interesting thought. But I don't think so.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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