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Whatslove (original poster new member #74490) posted at 2:17 AM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
I've been working on a list of things I need to feel safe enough to consider R. I'm supposed to be having the conversation tomorrow with him. I'd love feedback and hearing what were yours.
1. Weekly IC
2. Sobriety with the involvement of a program
3. Couples therapy when we're ready
4. Full transparency of the cheating timeline and answering questions. Willingness to take a polygraph if I feel he is not providing the whole story.
5. Full transparency going forward (GPS, passwords, financials, and deleting social media)
If he agrees to those,
6. Exclusivity while we're working on things
7. No timeline on my healing and no sex until I'm ready.
GTeamReboot ( member #72633) posted at 2:27 AM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
Those are all good. One thing you might add is asking him to read some resources you choose. IC is great, keep it on the list (weekly may be a bit much, or at least not that often for very long). However... finding a perfect-fit IC can be hard (maybe he has already?) and some of the resources here are tried and tested! For example I copied the pinned post in the Wayward side into a Word doc for mine. Also the book “How to help your spouse heal from your affair” (or something like that) by Linda MacDonald is good, short read, inexpensive or maybe even free. I also have had my FWH watch videos that resonate with me from the channel Affair Recovery. They cover every topic and angle in bite sized pieces! Lol!
Best of luck!
Me- BW, 45 (FWH, 47); DDay Oct 2019 - Double Betrayal (x2) during Aug-Sept 2018. Hard at work in R! Whole story in Bio
I tend to make little edits for clarity and typos!
Goldie78 ( member #61390) posted at 2:59 AM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
I would add to your #6 no contact.
Me: BW 50+Him: WH 60’sDS, DD 4 awesome GKidsMarried almost 40 yearsPA1 2002 to 2007(?) with COW, they stopped working together in 2002PA2 summer 2007DD both Nov 2016Working on r
secondtime ( member #58162) posted at 5:33 AM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
I would ask for an occasional session with your SO's IC and your SO.
I would also ask for a reflection after activity with regards to his sobriety. (support group, exercises, reflection of step work, telling you what he shared out during his meeting)
Really, though, I would focus on yourself. Get strong enough that you can listen to your gut.
Because, unfortunately, there's ways to circumvent everything on your list...nothing is 100% fool proof.
Your SO can be involved in a sobriety program and go to weekly IC, but that doesn't mean he's doing the work. They only way you are going to know if your partner is safe is if they talk about what's going on in their head , and then you decide whether or not you can trust it or if it makes sense.
Whatslove (original poster new member #74490) posted at 5:51 AM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
Secondtime: priority is definitely on myself. I've been in IC since Dday and have grown a lot. I'm prepared for him to say no to these requests and move on with my life if necessary.
Whatslove (original poster new member #74490) posted at 5:53 AM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
Gteam: he already is reading the book, and various other things I send his way
Whatslove (original poster new member #74490) posted at 5:56 AM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
Goldie: good point. Because this wasn't an "affair", the individual hasn't been a focal point but she is a past flame and religiously follows him on social media
so no contact makes sense
BlackRaven ( member #74607) posted at 2:35 PM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
Sobriety with the involvement of a program
I'm working on the assumption that your WP is in recovery of some type. I don't share my experience to dissuade you, but my WH did a 90 day inpatient program before he had his first affair. Over the next 15 years - he had 4 affairs, (DD was last month) but he never went back to drinking/drugs.
He did years of AA meetings, both before and after going into treatment. He also saw multiple IC and we saw many MC. He just wasn't honest with them.
Addicts lie, and some are very good at it. That doesn't mean they aren't good people, but they are so full of shame that they hide huge parts of their personality.
I only recently joined an Al-Anon group and I wish I had earlier. He's not like the qualifiers described but most people in the group. He holds an important job, he's a great father, very supportive of me, no abuse - but - I do see the emotional anorexia in him, and I didn't understand it before. I thought it was just depression. Now I see that it was a symptom of his addiction, and that's a red flag I wish I'd seen 15 years earlier.
So if the list were mine, I'd include the things you have, but I'd also add in your expectations for what your relationship should look like, including how much emotional intimacy you expect.
And I'd also suggest you routinely read posts from Al Anon members so that you know what flags to look for.
religiously follows him on social media
I find it disturbing that she hasn't been blocked already. You have on your list deleting social media, but I would add things like blocking her on Linkedin and his phone.
Notmine ( member #57221) posted at 3:09 PM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
Things I would add.
1. Weekly IC with qualified professional - CSAT consistently and for the long term
2. Sobriety with the involvement of a program, including weekly meetings and work with a sponsor.
3. Couples therapy when we're ready
4. Full transparency of the cheating timeline and answering questions. Willingness to take a polygraph if I feel he is not providing the whole story.
5. Full transparency going forward (GPS, passwords, financials, and deleting social media). Immediate blocking of AP social media accounts.
6. Reading relevant literature that is suggested my me, sponsor and counselor.
7. Rigorous honesty...no lying, no deflecting, no dishonesty by omission...no matter what,
When you're going through hell, for God's sake, DON'T STOP!
BlackRaven ( member #74607) posted at 4:15 PM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
What about drug testing if requested?
One of the concerns with addicts is that they transfer their behavior. From booze to drugs, drugs to gambling, gambling to sex, for example.
Also, what will you do if he 'slips.' Not sex per se, but what is you learn he had a beer at friend's house? Is that a line in the sand for you? Perhaps that should be spelled out in the contract.
BlackRaven ( member #74607) posted at 4:15 PM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
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DevastatedDee ( member #59873) posted at 4:23 PM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
Also, what will you do if he 'slips.' Not sex per se, but what is you learn he had a beer at friend's house? Is that a line in the sand for you? Perhaps that should be spelled out in the contract.
And you have to mean it. No empty threats. A slip and he is out. Addicts only respond to consequences. Words are just air-sounds that you make for your own entertainment. Let one boundary be crossed and the whole ship has sunk.
DDay: 06/07/2017
MH - RA on DDay.
Divorced a serial cheater (prostitutes and lord only knows who and what else).
Whatslove (original poster new member #74490) posted at 5:48 PM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
Blackraven: I'm not sure how I would respond if he slips with sobriety. I know I'm more understanding with that then any lying or cheating. He knows those are line in the sand, I walk.
BlackRaven ( member #74607) posted at 10:06 PM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2020
Just want to add that I know how hard it is. Hang in there.
The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 3:25 PM on Friday, August 7th, 2020
I would demand a post nup also.
Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 12 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.
Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 4:52 PM on Friday, August 7th, 2020
It’s hard to get a grasp on a certain situation if there are so many small threads with one-post issues…
I have this theory – based on my years on this site and my experience in dealing with addicts – that there is NO WAY an addict can trully commit to a relationship while using. Be it drugs or alcohol. While using the drug is always the main controller. That’s why we have parents forget to pick up their kids because they went to the bar, or drive with the kids in the vehicle while intoxicated. NOTHING matters more than the buzz.
With that in mind I would prioritize my list in a certain way:
1. Sobriety with the involvement of a program
2. IC as required, maybe even a part of the program (I’m a big Hard-Core 12 step AA advocate)
3. NO relationships with the other sex – I’m not clear on your posts if it was ONS or one OW, but he needs to focus on his sobriety and getting his head straight – not on getting head.
If he can stick to the above for 4 weeks and confirm his sobriety with a test… then I would consider opening up for the other issues.
"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus
DevastatedDee ( member #59873) posted at 5:33 PM on Friday, August 7th, 2020
Here's an unfortunate thing. People don't leave addicts and regret it later. People leave addicts to save themselves and find peace in their lives. When you leave, you no longer have to worry about him drinking, doing drugs, losing a job, gambling money, overspending, cheating...whatever his drug of choice is, you no longer own any worry over it. I am not saying you should leave. I just want you to understand the sacrifice that YOU are making by not leaving. When you stay, your life is affected by the choices of an addict. The black cloud of relapse is hanging over you for the rest of your lives.
So if you are making the ENORMOUS sacrifice of staying with an addict of any kind, you need to demand what is required for you to feel as safe as you can. Feel no guilt over it even if he whines about an item on the list. You are the one sacrificing and taking the huge risk here. He owes you anything you need to feel okay about it.
DDay: 06/07/2017
MH - RA on DDay.
Divorced a serial cheater (prostitutes and lord only knows who and what else).
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