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 WhiteCarrera (original poster member #29126) posted at 2:24 PM on Thursday, February 16th, 2023

From an old Ray Wylie Hubbard song called "Conversation With the Devil", the closing lyrics are:

Some get spiritual, because they see the light,
And some, because they feel the heat!

Looking at my wife's actions since D-day and in our recovery, I think 99% has been because she felt the heat. I still don't think she's seen the light.

Does this resonate with anyone else?

Married 13 years @ D-Day in 2009. Still hanging in there (maybe by a thread sometimes)

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leafields ( Guide #63517) posted at 6:10 AM on Friday, February 17th, 2023

My XWH didn't care. He is personality disordered, so not sure how much that played into things. He wouldn't do the work to be a safe partner, so we went down the D path. I've been happier being on my own.

BW M 34years, Dday 1: March 2018, Dday 2: August 2019, D final 2/25/21

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Hannah47 ( member #80116) posted at 1:43 PM on Friday, February 17th, 2023

Thank you for sharing this, it very much resonates with me. My husband lied and minimized for 5 years after DDay, then I got 1 year of trickle truth. I probably still don’t have the full truth. His reasoning for continued hiding and lying is basically the same as what you write about your wife (I read some of your older posts). In that sense, yes, he didn’t see the light, he felt the heat.

I’m taking this as a metaphor for inspiration vs. desperation. While both provide a motivation for changes, and they might produce very similar outcomes, there are some differences. Inspiration ("light") moves us toward that which inspires us; desperation ("heat") moves us away from something that causes despair. In that sense, desperation is a stronger motivator, as it seems to me avoiding pain is more primal than getting pleasure. However, this also means desperation provides only a short-term motivation. Once the threat is gone, it is very easy to fall back to the old way of thinking / behaving. On the other hand, inspiration provides a lasting motivation. Take for example a student procrastination. If the motivation for a change (studying) is caused by desperation (an important exam is next week, and a student wants to avoid the pain of failing the exam), then after the exam, they will most likely procrastinate again. They make a change (study) only to get away from punishment (failing the exam, failing to graduate, failing to get a good job, etc.) If the motivation for a change is inspiration, they most likely will not procrastinate again. They will not study to avoid bad consequences; they will study to move toward that what they want to accomplish, what makes them happy, what brings pleasure.

Desperation is rooted in logic, you do things out of duty, fear. Inspiration is rooted in emotion, you do things out of passion, love for something. Now, when it comes to infidelity, I believe all the negative consequences are so strong that they indeed can have a lasting effect. That is, desperation can become a long-term motivator. However, the truth is, desperate people are not happy people. Your wife (as well as my husband) should work on internalizing inspiration, for their own good.

Btw. there are more lyrics in that song that I find interesting and thought-provoking:

I said, "You know that song that Charlie Daniels did?
"About how you went down to Georgia and played fiddle against that kid?"
He said, "Yeah, it broke my heart but, you know, what're you gonna do?"
I said, "To tell you the truth, I thought your solo was the better of the two"

To tell you the truth, I also thought his solo was better of the two grin

Fate whispers to her, "You cannot withstand the storm."
She whispers back, "I am the storm."

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 WhiteCarrera (original poster member #29126) posted at 3:31 PM on Sunday, February 19th, 2023

Hannah - thanks for your insight. I think that’s a really good perspective.

Married 13 years @ D-Day in 2009. Still hanging in there (maybe by a thread sometimes)

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Want2BHappyAgain ( member #45088) posted at 2:57 PM on Wednesday, February 22nd, 2023

Does this resonate with anyone else?

Very much so in my H's case! I made a passing comment once when we were riding in the car that I couldn't believe he damned his soul to hell by committing adultery. I didn't realize it at the time...but my H said it shook him to his core. He didn't think about what he did as being adultery. I KNOW...how in the world could he NOT think of it as adultery!! But...in HIS head...he felt adultery was when a married person falls in love with someone outside of their marriage and then has sex with them. He had sex with a stranger...so it was different...until I made that comment. He then PORED over his Bible...after brushing the dust off of it...to find a way to "fix" what he had done.

While he was reading his Bible though...he saw the light. We now do a daily Bible Study...and BOTH of us have seen the light...lol!! NOTHING I did caused my husband to cheat. But there were things we did in our M that took us off of the path we were meant to be on.

BTW...I thought BOTH solos were impressive!!

A "perfect marriage" is just two imperfect people who refuse to give up on each other.

With God ALL things are possible (Matthew 19:26)

I AM happy again...It CAN happen!!!

From respect comes great love...sassylee

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