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happyman64 ( member #33212) posted at 6:56 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

Walloped

Glad your tests came back negative.

Have you asked for your wife's results yet? You should.

And she should hand them to you. It is called consequences.

And stop rushing. You cannot be Mr. Fixit. Your wife needs to do the work.

But more importantly she has to "want" to do the work. She needs to own it. work it. Fix it.

Herself.

And while I too thought their could possibly be a 2nd D-day (there usually are by the way) I think you realize now that you really do not control her actions. She does.

She is a big girl. Now she has to put on her big girl panties, tell you what she wants from the marriage and then start fighting for it by showing positive actions.

Will you let her?

HM

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 Walloped (original poster member #48852) posted at 7:04 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

I think you're headed to DDAY #2 but that might just be bitter and disgruntled old me...

ICO - Yep. I agree. I'm under no illusions. Based on everything you all have been saying, I know she hasn't fully come clean. I don't mean I think she's going to hit me with a second affair. I mean that more will come out - so I guess she's been TT-ing me. I'm kind of resigned to that at this point - maybe that's my way of dealing with it so it will soften the blow. I don't know. But I'm going to try to get the whole thing out in the open, and as much honesty as I can get over the upcoming weekend, once we've each gone to IC at least once.

Me: BH 47
Her: WW 46
DDay 8/3/15
"Every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa the bad things don’t necessarily spoil the good things or make them unimportant.” - The Doctor

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Briseis ( member #47825) posted at 7:26 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

So glad your test results came back clean--great news!

You're doing the best you can. I hope you are getting the support you need here and IRL.

BW/MH (me): b 1979
WH: b 1976
Married 2001
1 DS

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convert ( member #46684) posted at 7:30 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

Walloped,

If you feel or sense you are being trickle truth (TT), tell her that one of the things she can do to help you is NO TT, and be truthful about everything.

This should be the second thing on the list of what she can do.

NC being the first on the list.

BH - me 48
WW - 46
one son
together 28 years
married 25 years
in R - trying anyway

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WornDown ( member #37977) posted at 7:31 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

Wow, man...slow the roll on DDay#2, TT, lying, etc.

That while she's been thinking that way about herself, she knows that's the easy way out and besides I’m too good of a person to truly wish that on her. And I’m too concerned about the kids. But if by that I mean that she should she just leave, then she’d be willing to do that if I thought it would really help me. She said she knows there’s no real making this up to me, but she wants to know what can she do? I asked her why she gives a shit. “Because I love you and you are in so much pain and I caused it and I can’t stand seeing you in such pain.” So I said, that it seems it’s all about her. She’s uncomfortable seeing me this way, knowing she caused it, can’t handle it, so she wants it to go away so she can move on and not feel uncomfortable any longer.

How many of us would have given anything for our WSs to come and say "what can I do to help you heal?" Hell, that's one of the prerequisites for R, and she's getting hammered for it.

She's at least making a damn effort. Whatever the reason (money, family, stability), it seems that she's really realized what she's done. You can't ask for more than that at this point. You can't expect he to do some magical action that makes it all better. She at least seems on her way to remorse, if not 100% there yet.

Yes, she has a lot more work to do to help repair the marriage, but that will take TIME. Time for you to process it and heal; time for her to process what she's done, why she did it, and to prove that she won't again.

Now, it's perfectly in Walloped's right to say he doesn't want to invest in that time and walk away - the A was a deal breaker. He may also decide a year or more down the road it's a deal breaker. Up to him.

But I do have to say, Walloped's WW has done a lot more than many other WWs. I think he's got a chance.

Me: BH (50); exW (49): Way too many guys to count. Three kids (D, D, S, all >20)Together 25 years, married 18; Divorced (July 2015)

I divorced a narc. Separate everything. NC as much as humanly possible and absolutely no phone calls. - Ch

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eric1 ( member #47762) posted at 7:43 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

to get rid of the Trickle Truth you're going to have to be willing to sacrifice the marriage to have any hope of saving the marriage.

It's a pretty simple entry on the GANTT chart - define exactly the level of detail that you want in her written timeline (to avoid lying by omission) and have her submit this. When she submits it to you then it's off to a poly test that you've scheduled in advance. Anything that varies from the timeline comes with D (you'll want papers drawn up before this). If you don't get in front of this, then you never will

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jigga114 ( member #46752) posted at 7:44 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

Have you and wife discussed what your individual goals and expectations are concerning IC? That is important because if you are on the same page, it will help you both identify and avoid counselors that may encourage you to sweep things under the rug. Not all IC are really qualified to deal with infidelity IMHO.

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eric1 ( member #47762) posted at 7:48 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

I agree with WornDown.

Go read DoneGone or notperfect5's threads. His wife is atleast crying.

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 8:04 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

there is no way this guy won't try to contact her.

I didn't read the whole thread. Have you contacted him? Had a sit-down with him and let him know he broke the "bro code" and you will devote the remainder of your life to legally destroying him if he ever so much as comes within a real or virtual mile of your wife? That he will regret forever having anything whatsoever to do with her. That you look forward to the day that he dies, when you piss on his grave and post a note to his tombstone saying he was a wife-$%^er. Say it with a smile. He is nothing and you are everything. You own him.

Fuck this guy, anything you do to him he deserves. You're an abstract concept to him right now (the husband). Don't be afraid to make yourself real to him. It can be very cathartic for you. The OM always, always, always shrivels when confronted with a real man.

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver

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adriana1980 ( member #41780) posted at 8:04 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

Convert said:

So do you think she will lose respect for you if you stay?

Will she see you as a weak man for staying?

Actually, there is also another possibility.... the OP will lose respect for himself if he stays with her.

I told this story of my former boss a few months ago in another thread:

.... a few months ago I run into my former boss and mentor (48) whom I haven't seen for about 4 years. When I told him that I recently got divorced and why, he replayed.... I wish I would have been strong enough to divorce my wife after her affair.

To make a long story short.... his wife had 3 year affair with his life-long friend. The DD was about 6 years ago and we were still working together at that time but he never said anything about it. He decided to reconcile with her and basically convinced himself that it was the OM who was the aggressor. His wife has put a lot of effort into reconciliation and things were going really well for both of them.

They were about 3 years into R when he started questioning staying with her despite that she has been almost a perfect wife since the DD. He re-read once again facebook messages they exchanged before and during the affair and realised that all it took for his wife to give away her marriage was just a few lousy compliments from a cute-faced carpet installer.

He told me that he hates himself for being too weak to divorce her after the DD but thinks that it wouldn't be fair to do it now. Not after 6 years and the work she has done. He has forgiven her but is unable to get over of what she had done. There are days when his feeling of self-hatred gets so bad that he literally struggles with looking at himself.

[This message edited by adriana1980 at 2:09 PM, August 18th (Tuesday)]

Me - BW (34 at the time)
He - WH (36 at the time)
Marriage - 3 years (no children)
DD - Dec. 02, 2013
Divorce filed - Dec. 06, 2013
Divorce final - April 10, 2014

Samuel Beckett: You're on Earth. There's no cure for this.

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FrmrBH80124 ( member #42967) posted at 8:40 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

Walloped,

Glad your tests came back negative! Hope the next round come back negative as well. Keeping my fingers crossed.

My only advice (take it for whatever it is worth) is to take your time in making your decision to stay or to go. You have 27 years with your wife. I know she fucked up royally. I know she told you if the rolls were reversed, that she'd kick you out. May be she would, maybe she wouldn't. Who knows. As WornDown said, slow your roll. There is no timeline to make this decision.

For me, even after the revelation, I didn't end the marriage right away. We finally ended it when we realized that we had nothing left to say or fight for. We ended it together when we both realized that we were done. It was hard, but it was the right decision.

You are still in shock. You still don't have all of your answers. You still don't have her timeline. She is beginning to show signs of remorse. She is beginning to understand how badly she destroyed you, her marriage and everything around her. Not saying that will stop you from divorcing her but at least it may provide you some glimmer of hope that she may get "it".

Take your time. There IS NO RUSH.

I'm sure you have a huge gnawing pit in your stomach that just won't go the fuck away. Maybe in time it will. Maybe it won't. Just go easy on yourself. Put yourself and your kids first and focus on your needs and their needs.

Make sure you clearly articulate to your wife your minimum requirements for moving forward and what will happen if she breaks NC with the OM. Be ready and be prepared to act if if she fails on either of the two items in the previous sentence.

Rome wasn't built in a day and you can't get over this shit in a day either.

ME - BH 45
Her - XWS 30
D - April 2010 - never looked back and good riddance.
Happily remarried!

Though much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days
moved earth and heaven, that which we are,

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nononsense ( member #45598) posted at 8:53 PM on Tuesday, August 18th, 2015

Walloped,

You stated that you did not believe you actually had the whole truth yet and that she had not come totally clean.

I think that should be the first goal. You should listen to Eric and stop forcing yourself to R or D until YOU are convinced you have the whole story.

it does not matter how you feel about polygraphs. If you would refuse to do one so what. She does not know that. I would tell her to give you the written timeline in detail that you want. I would then verbally go over it with her. And then I would tell her she better pass the polygraph.

my wife welcomed that and even found the examiner even though i did not do it. She has told me to do it at 3AM any time and as often as I need to. She has offered to sign a post nup without me even suggesting it asking for a lot less than she would be entitled to. THAT is called remorse. tears mean NOTHING.

If your wife has out it all out there she should be raring to go. If she look like Casper The Ghost, you know what that means.

BH - 50 (me)
WW- 48 (her)
M- 27 years
3 daughters- 26, 24, 21
DDay1 7/5/2014 (PA- 2 different OM)
DDay2 11/28/2014- setting up another meeting new OM
5/1/2015- Looks like we are making it.
8/3/2015- Reconciled but watchful
11/10/2015- We made it

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SheWiz ( member #44633) posted at 2:35 AM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2015

Wow, so much advice, so little time. Thanks to everybody and Walloped for sharing so much. It helps us all more than you think.

My 2cents? I did NOT want the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The fact he fucked this woman (my bff) for 3 yrs was all the info I needed (which I had to discover). No details, thank you. It would be like hearing the details of what goes on at a dog-fight for gambling. TMI! Those horror details will never leave your mind. Do you really want them?

Seems like you're tortured with enough mind movies as it is.

It was just bad enough to know he cheated on me, and that was enough.

It was the deception of all the lies. It was him coming home from a weekend where I had no idea where he was (with the whore in MY motorhome) and walk in with a smile and big step with happiness..and watching me be miserable.

And, then the cruelty started -

He was like your wife, 33 out of our 35 yr marriage. Perfect. Well, he was for me. I loved him how he was - we did everything together.

I knew I could never trust anything he said again and he was nothing like your wife. He just upped and left.

Personally, I feel like your wife is making a great effort and it doesn't sound like she was cruel to you during here affair? But you can't get out of your mind what it took her to deceive you for so long. For me - it was a total deal breaker.

But - 3 yrs is longer than your 6 mos. I totally wouldn't have forgiven an ONS.

I wish you so much luck with this. You have touched a lot of folks, Wall.

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SheWiz ( member #44633) posted at 2:40 AM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2015

*I totally WOULD have forgiven an ONS. Sorry.

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rambler ( member #43747) posted at 3:35 AM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2015

I do not think that ICO means Dday2 as more TT but that your wife will break NC with OM and resume the A.

There are a lot of indicators that seem to point to that.

1) She took 14 calls from him after DDday

2) She put you down and protected the OM and A to your SIL up to the point your SIL had to slap her.

3) She had to be stopped by your SIL from breaking NC.

4) She has a lot of positive thoughts of the A.

5) She needs to know it the OM loved her.

Keep in mind that the OM is a pro. He is rich, good looking and has done all this before. He will know when to contact her and what to say when he does.

The lack of action will catch up to W. He will continue to look weaker and weaker. The Om will look stronger and stronger.

I hope I am wrong. I hope W takes action to make sure it does not.

H

making it through

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rambler ( member #43747) posted at 3:35 AM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2015

Dup

[This message edited by rambler at 9:36 PM, August 18th (Tuesday)]

making it through

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 4:10 AM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2015

disagree with shewiz on one point. She divorced, you are looking to reconcile. Reconciling means forgiveness. Forgiveness means that you need to know exactly what you are forgiving.

If you don't know this, then how can you forgive ?

If R is your goal, find out every last thing you can.

If D is your goal, then maybe shewiz is right since she divorced herself.

Don't forgive blindly. Huge mistake

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 4:11 AM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2015

good points by Rambler, Eric and Nononsense

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 Walloped (original poster member #48852) posted at 5:56 AM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2015

Shit. Shit. Shit. Shitty shitty shit shit. Nothing ever goes according to plan.

It started so well. My girls came home today – it’s been two months since we’ve seen them and having them there when I got home from work was really wonderful. Open duffle bags and suitcases on the floor, bags of dirty laundry, typical stuff. The boys were all over them. Were so happy to have them back. Told them all what they did over the summer, camp, etc. My wife cooked dinner for us and it was a truly great evening. But, after the boys went to bed, we had to talk to them. They would have noticed me sleeping downstairs, so we wanted to preempt it. It didn’t go well. Before we sat them down I took my wife to the side and I asked her not to say anything about the reason. How important it was to me that they hold on to their vision of her. She’s their role model. Not that she’s perfect, far from it – and my girls know this. My wife has always been great about apologizing to the girls if she does something to them she thinks is wrong like on a rare occasion when she’d get upset and yell. But this is in a different league altogether and while there are things they can learn from this, now wasn’t the time. Whatever. I asked her again, that no matter what, please don’t tell them. She disagreed with me. Felt she should tell them. Told her my reasons. She understood but said she lied for so long, she just wants to stop with all the lies. I asked her to respect my wishes and she said it’s not about respecting me. It’s about doing what’s right. It’s about what’s true. But in the end, she reluctantly agreed.

And it went downhill from there. God - this is so very fresh. This is gonna be hard to write, but I’ve replayed it over and over already. I started out doing most of the talking. I told them that we love them very much but that Mommy and I were going through a difficult patch and that we had a number of issues we were working through. And that I was sleeping downstairs. They were shocked. Stunned faces. Deep breaths. Then my 16 year old asked if we’re getting divorced. I said we hadn’t discussed divorce – that we’re not there. That we were trying to deal with the issues we had, and that we had positive outlooks, but still need to work things out. And that no matter what Mommy and I were working through, we loved them and will always be there for them. My 16 year old started crying. My wife was sitting there looking horrible. Hands clenched in her lap. She was tearing. My 19 year old is no dummy, but she misread it. She started yelling at me. Wanted to know what I did wrong. I must’ve done something. She said to look at Mommy. Look how sad she is. What did you do? Why else would you be in the basement? She just started crying and kept asking me what I did wrong. And my wife was sobbing, and then she shouted that I didn’t do anything wrong, but then she clammed up and looked at me. The girls were so confused. My wife begged me with her eyes. She even mouthed “please” to me over and over. And I shook my head no. And my wife said to me that she was sorry, she was so, so sorry. But she couldn’t do this. She couldn’t let them think this. Not for her. She doesn’t deserve it. I asked her not to do it. I said please. And then my 19 year old asked what the heck was going on, and my 16 year old was crying and looked so damned lost, and then my wife just blurted out that she had an affair. And then she started bawling saying “I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I cheated on him. I cheated. I cheated. Oh my God what did I do? I cheated. What did I do?” And then she threw up all over the carpet.

It was a mess (pun intended). My wife was crying on the floor, hugging herself and talking to herself saying she cheated and she was so sorry. My girls were shell-shocked. They were crying. And me? I don’t think I’ve ever been so scared in my life.

I remember we had a pregnancy scare when my wife was pregnant with our oldest. 6 months in and one morning my wife calls me at work in a panic from home (there were no cell phones in those days). She woke up and there was blood all over the bed. I immediately called 911, gave them the address and rushed home to the hospital nearest to our apartment. Now, I worked on Wall Street at the time – was a junior analyst. We lived in Queens. It seemed like forever to get back. I was so scared. I prayed and prayed the whole way back. I made deals with God. Just save her. At least save her. It feels like that.

It’s out in the open now. My kids know. And that terrifies me. I can’t hide it. I didn’t even know I was hiding it. But it was like a dam had burst and now I was no longer in control of it. Not that I was doing a bang up job of being in control anyway, but it has a life of its own now.

The girls were simply crying on the couch looking back and forth between their mother and me. My 19 year old asked if it was true. I just nodded. I don’t know what I looked like. I just felt like a deflated balloon. They didn’t yell at my wife. They just cried, while she cried. After a few minutes I asked the girls if they can help Mommy to the bathroom to clean up. And I got to work on the carpet. I’ve done it before. Ever have pre-teen slumber parties in your house when these girls eat way to much pizza and ice cream and cake and stay up all night giggling in sleeping bags in the basement? Had plenty of those. And of course, I’ve dealt with the aftermath of crying girls who threw up as a result too. I’m the person who always takes care of all things “gross” in my house. Bugs? Check. Really disgusting diapers? Check. Vomit? You betcha.

So my girls brought my wife back into the den. She had washed her face. She then told me she was so sorry but she needed to tell them. And then she told the girls that I had wanted to protect their image of her, even though she didn’t deserve it and she couldn’t let them think that any of this was my fault. She said that was she did was horrible and that she hurt me and them so much and that she’ll forever be ashamed of what she did. She wouldn’t blame them if they hated her for it, and she’s just so sorry she did this. And that she plans on figuring herself out and being here for me and for the girls and the boys and just being dedicated to her family, the most important thing in her life.

My 16 year old asked, so you guys are getting divorced? That’s what people do after an affair, right? So I said, no. We haven’t discussed it and haven’t come to any decisions. Right now we’re trying to figure all this out and we’re going to go to therapy. “But it’s a possibility?” I told her I won’t lie to her and that yes, it’s a possibility, but that I prefer to think positively.

I apologized to them for finding out this way. I apologized for trying to keep it from them. I told them the boys don’t know so please be careful to not tell them – they’re way too young. Also not to discuss it with friends or family members. They wanted to know who else knew – told them their aunts and uncles, but not their grandparents. And that their older sister doesn’t know, but now we’ll have to tell her. My wife said she’d do that. I asked them to have patience with me and Mommy, to give us space to work out what we need to do. To please be the wonderful girls they always are. To make sure to love Mommy even more now cause she’s going to need it and she’ll rely on them. And to always remember that we are a family. We are a team. And we’ll face whatever challenges there are together. I hugged them. Kissed them. They did the same to me. And then they both went over to my wife and did the same to her. She just started crying at that and thanked them. And kept apologizing. And then she thanked me. And then I left them in the den and went to go lie down on the sofa in the basement.

About an hour later my wife came down to apologize to me again for telling them. I asked her why she did it. She said that she read the printout of the book I gave her on how to help your spouse heal (Linda MacDonald's book) that morning. She had read it a week or so ago when I first gave it to her, but really just skimmed it. Said she was too wrapped up in herself and her own guilt and shame to focus on me. So she decided she wanted to read it again. And after she did it finally dawned on her that she's really only been focused on herself. And here I was, in obviously more pain than her yet I was still going to work and taking care of the boys while she's just been feeling sorry for herself. So she decided was going to get off her ass and do whatever she could to help me. Whatever that entailed. And that she wasn't going to be selfish anymore. And when I said I didn't want to tell the girls she went along with it because she wanted to help me and that's what I said I wanted and she was tired of being selfish. But then she was sitting there listening to the girls getting upset at me for everything that she did and I was just taking it and she felt was being selfish yet again. And she knew I told her this is what I wanted but she couldn't let me protect her from her own stupidity. That letting me bear the brunt of it would just be her being selfish again. Even if that's what I said I wanted. She said she understood why I didn’t want to and that it was very noble, but this needed to be done. How could she let the girls think I did something wrong when I didn’t do anything? This was her fault. She did this. And how can she own up to what she did if she’s busy hiding it from the people who matter most in her life? She apologized for not listening to me but said this was the right thing to do. And besides, she knows how much pain I'm in and that I'm not accepting help from her. But I'll need help. And love. And the girls can give that to me. Especially if we get divorced. And the least she can do is make sure they're there for me. She then said she’s going to tell her parents and my mom as well, and that she hoped I supported that. I just nodded.

You guys had put a whole bunch of thoughts into my head through your recent posts, and I've been really considering them, so I thought "what the hell" and that it would be a good time to tackle them. So, I asked her if she had a few moments to talk. “Whenever you need to.” I told her that my tests came back clean so far (she said Thank God) and that when she gets hers, can she please let me know right away and get me copies of the results? She said absolutely.

I asked her if POS had tried to contact her. She said no. She handed me her phone and offered to pull the phone records for me for both the cell phone and home phone if it would make me feel more comfortable. I said sure – that would be great. She didn’t flinch. She said okay. I asked if she was in contact with anyone else from volunteering. She said a few friends called to see where she’d been. Said she just disappeared on them. She said she told them she was dealing with a family emergency and had to stop volunteering. I asked if these friends knew about her and POS – she said maybe. It was never discussed, but her and POS were somewhat oblivious to everyone around them, so maybe they weren’t careful and while they never did any PDA’s, maybe it was still obvious to them. I asked her if POS tried passing a message on to her through them. She thought about that. Then she said not directly and she doesn’t know if it’s a message to her, but two of her friends did say that POS asked about her and had told them he missed her. And then she said that as soon as she heard that he said that about her she felt both disgusted and nauseous at the same time. I asked her what she said to them about that. She said she didn’t say anything. Just let it pass. I then reiterated NC. I told her how there really wouldn't be any hope for us if she broke NC. I told her how important it was and that if she wants to show me how honest she is or how transparent she’s being, then anything related to POS needs to be brought to my attention immediately. And that messages from “friends” definitely falls into that category. Is she willing to go along with that? “Absolutely.” I then said I wasn’t comfortable with her still maintaining contact with…she didn’t let me finish. “They’re gone. I won’t have anything more to do with anyone from any of the places I volunteered.” I said are you sure? Because if you commit to that and I find out later…she said absolutely.

So I told her that I hope she understands that from my perspective, I can’t trust her. Based on her words and actions over 5 months, she’s lied to me and betrayed me so much that her words don’t have any value. So while I appreciate what she says, it just doesn’t really mean much to me at this point. She nodded and asked what could she do then? I asked her if she’s put together the written timeline. She said she’s in the middle and thinks she’ll have it complete by the weekend. She is trying her best to write every detail down. I told her that I’d like to review it with her when it’s finished and ask her questions. She said sure. She then said that she'll answer anything I want, but she's concerned that her answering things may cause me more pain. She said she's not worried that I'll hate her more. She thinks I'm already there. She just doesn't want to keep causing me pain. But if I think it'll help me then she'll answer whatever I ask. I then asked her if I can send the answers and timeline to a polygraph examiner and would she be willing to take a polygraph test? She looked at me strangely at that but said yes. And then I said I know we told the kids we’re not divorcing, but you do realize I’ll likely have papers drawn up. She flinched at that. And then she said that she understood and if that’s what I needed to get past this, she’d hate it but she wouldn’t fight it and she’ll accept whatever terms I think is fair. But that she hopes it won’t come to that – and then she quickly added that it has nothing to do with money or respect or comfort – I raised my eyebrows at that – and she said we were dirt poor making $21,000 a year in New York with 2 kids. Money didn’t matter then and it doesn’t matter now. She said she knows she made the worst decision of her life. I asked her about that? I said “decision?” And she said yes. Decision. That she understands that she chose to do this – it didn’t just happen. And she said she wouldn’t call it a mistake. It wasn’t an accident. She may not have set out to sleep with him, but she could have said no at any point in time. It wasn’t like she “woke up one day and Lo and Behold! His dick was in her vagina.” I winced at that and she apologized right away for phrasing it that way. And then she said that she chose to do it the first time, and every time after. And she still doesn’t understand why. And she was so sorry that she did that to me. She said and that she wishes she never met POS and she knows that I may divorce her, and she knows I don’t believe her and may not want to hear this, but she loves me and divorcing her won’t make her stop loving me and it’ll be to her eternal shame that she didn’t remember that and pushed it aside when she took up with POS. And then she apologized again for everything and went back upstairs. And here I am at 1:00am typing again.

Me: BH 47
Her: WW 46
DDay 8/3/15
"Every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa the bad things don’t necessarily spoil the good things or make them unimportant.” - The Doctor

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TheDarkestTime ( member #45104) posted at 7:07 AM on Wednesday, August 19th, 2015

W.

But giving her my love? I don't know if I can. I know she doesn't deserve it. So why should I? She's left me twisting and dealing with all this and she did this to me, so why does she get to have me support her? Why does she get rewarded for her behavior by having me stand by her? And then I think that this is what marriage is - we stand by the person we love even when they fall.

Yes, we all fail. I am not a religious man by any means. But I do believe in being faithful, and standing by someone when they are weak and helping them through challenges. Your wife will not respect you if you are not strong. And running away is NOT STRONG IMO. Niether is accepting lies. So there is a balance here. Help your family by being strong. But show your wife that you are a man of value. One of character that wont accept her shit but one that would do anything for her at the same time. Does that make sense? Probably does because that is why she married you in the first place.

And what is with the polygraphs people? To hell with all that shit people! If you dont trust a person, move the fuck on. Dont be the Gestapo SS police and force someone to answer your questions with a lie detecting device. THAT IS STUPID. Once out of the polygraph session they for sure either a) feel like a complete loser with no self esteem or b) want to kill you.

Another thing that kills me is the advice to do what is called the "180". I did it and I ended up at the chiropractor's office. I am too old to do a 180. I pulled some muscles.

All kidding aside, the 180 is a healthy thing that people would do normally in this situation you are in. Some need to be coached but I dont think you need that coaching. You are old as hell and know what you are doing.

W,

You have a lot invested in the entire infrastructure of what has become your life. It has BECOME YOUR IDENTITY. Dont give it up so easily and turn your back on your history. I know your wife turned her back, but that was a mistake maybe?

I know you are pissed as hell. I am too some days. I just want to kick the shit out of something. Last night I made a field goal by kicking my cat between the uprights of the master bed poles while my wife laid in bed and watched in horror!

Then other times, I am super, super sad. Then I want revenge!!! Its a cycle that keeps me from moving past my wife's deal. There are so many "triggers" as they say. Humor is a way past it.

My wife came home from the grocery store and she was filling the freezer. She said "where do you want me to put the meat?". I told her "You know exactly where you want to put the meat darling." Boom!

So I want to end with this. Something that helped me get through the "rollercoaster" of emotions as they say. It rang true with me. I hope it does for you too.

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ONE EVENING, AN ELDERLY

CHEROKEE BRAVE TOLD HIS

GRANDSON ABOUT A BATTLE THAT

GOES ON INSIDE PEOPLE.

HE SAID "MY SON, THE BATTLE IS

BETWEEN TWO 'WOLVES' INSIDE US ALL.

ONE IS EVIL. IT IS ANGER,

ENVY, JEALOUSY, SORROW,

REGRET, GREED, ARROGANCE,

SELF-PITY, GUILT, RESENTMENT,

INFERIORITY, LIES, FALSE PRIDE,

SUPERIORITY, AND EGO.

THE OTHER IS GOOD.

IT IS JOY, PEACE LOVE, HOPE SERENITY,

HUMILITY, KINDNESS, BENEVOLENCE,

EMPATHY, GENEROSITY,

TRUTH, COMPASSION AND FAITH."

THE GRANDSON THOUGH ABOUT

IT FOR A MINUTE AND THEN ASKED

HIS GRANDFATHER:

"WHICH WOLF WINS?..."

THE OLD CHEROKEE SIMPLY REPLIED,

"THE ONE THAT YOU FEED"

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