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farsidejunky ( member #49392) posted at 2:35 PM on Tuesday, May 23rd, 2017

Make sure you dress like a million bucks. Do not initiate any dialogue with her. Give her one word answers if she asks you any questions: yes, no. If she tries to ask open ended questions, simply do not answer them. Smile. Periodically check your watch. If she asks for an explanation, tell her you have plans and will need to wrap things up fairly quickly. Then, just as your daughter finishes up her ice cream, abruptly wrap things up, ready the kids, and all of you leave her. Do so with a smile because you have places to be that are much more important that her, right?

The message you are sending: you are happy, you are busy, you do not have time for her, you are moving on. Very few things impact a wayward quite like watching their security blanket disappear.

In many cases, female WS's think of their BS almost like a father figure in that they can screw up for months on end, yet have a safe place to land when it does not work out. Let your actions show that safe place to land is no longer there for her.

You are doing amazing, brother. Stay strong today.

“Never make someone a priority when all you are to them is an option.”

-Maya Angelou

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 2:46 PM on Tuesday, May 23rd, 2017

Jduff said:

The one thing I noticed with my XW back then after my Dday was when she exhibited her wayward side her eyes seemed glazed over or glossed and it seemed like she was possessed. I'm curious if that is the effect of a dopamine boost.

After I found out, I looked back and I can remember my WW having that "look". Never leaving a party or event until the very last, and getting ugly if I was ready to go, wanting to be in the middle of a group, for attention, etc. It was like a complusion, complete with the glazed over eyes.

"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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 dostl10 (original poster member #58597) posted at 8:43 PM on Tuesday, May 23rd, 2017

I f***ing hate her so much. I sit through my daughter's kindergarten graduation just thinking what kind of person destroys a family like this and seemingly has no second thought about it. I want to explode into tears and in anger but I am trying to keep my chin up

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 dostl10 (original poster member #58597) posted at 8:43 PM on Tuesday, May 23rd, 2017

I f***ing hate her so much. I sit through my daughter's kindergarten graduation just thinking what kind of person destroys a family like this and seemingly has no second thought about it. I want to explode into tears and in anger but I am trying to keep my chin up

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Sybo ( member #46689) posted at 9:21 PM on Tuesday, May 23rd, 2017

The key is to detach. Below is a classic post on the subject

1. Love does not conquer all. What we have experienced through a relationship involving infidelity isn’t love; it’s abuse. You can love and let go, you can love and protect yourself.

2. You can’t fix or rescue someone from being abusive, sick, dysfunctional and lost in their own highly distorted reality. In fact, trying to rescue usually backfires and hurts you. The more you try to rescue, the more you will be hurt and emotionally abused.

3. This was really hard for me to get, but there is truth in this. You give your spouse the power to hurt you. When I finally detached her actions reflected her, hurt her, were not a reflection of me, or hurt me anymore.

4. You’re not responsible for your spouse’s happiness, failures, shortcomings or bad behaviors.

5. Continuing to hope for the best from someone who consistently gives you the worst is a set-up for more pain and disillusionment.

There’s no shame in admitting that you need to walk away from a relationship that’s destructive and toxic. It’s vital that you begin to develop a rational perspective and distance yourself from an ongoing hurtful relationship that you can neither control nor change. Many people remain in abusive relationships well beyond a point of personal pain and devastation that defies reason. You need to come back to your senses and see your partner for who she is and your part in it.

1. I focused on being solely responsible for my own well-being and happiness. I would catch myself when you begin to have thought that centered on her, “If only she could . . . If only she would . . .” and knock it off. Coulda, woulda, shoulda is the language of codependency and hurt. This mindset keeps you in a beaten down phase and makes it easier for an abusive spouse to control you. Take back the control by meeting your own needs by making different choices and acting on them. By focusing inward for solutions and happiness I would focus on what I needed to be happy and protected in those moments. I found those thoughts were tied to my feelings of doubt in myself and reoriented my focus back to me and what I needed in that moment.

2. I worked on accepting that I can’t fix, change, rescue, save, make someone else happy or love someone enough to make them whole. Don’t just pay lip service to this. Really wrap your brain around the fact that as long as you’re in a dysfunctional relationship, no matter what you do, it will never be good enough. Understand that no matter how much you do for your spouse; they will always expect and demand more. Acknowledge that the more you appease, compromise and forgo your own needs; the more entitled, demanding and ungrateful they’ll be. I know for many of us we gave so much that it allowed the abuse, in fact set the selfish entitled mentality of our spouses to go unchecked.

3.I had to eliminate the emotional and mental hooks to my spouse or marriage. A hook is typically an emotional, psychological or physical stake that you have in the other person or the relationship. For example, for me GUILT is a big hook that kept me mentally connected to the relationship. I had many thoughts of “I’d feel guilty if I left because of its impact on my son etc.” Other hooks include shame (e.g., of failing or not being strong enough), loss of status (e.g., being perceived as a nice or good guy), loss of material assets or access to children, perfectionism and your own need to control others, situations and outcomes. Once you can step back and let go of these notions and outcomes you realize they are false notions and only serve to provide power to a dysfunctional relationship. Fact is we can all have healthy relationships and lives without these hooks, they serve as heavy anchors that tie us to a poor relationship.

4. I had to focus on “DOING” for myself. Do something that removes you from the abuse and centers you. Meditate, exercise, read, walk, or whatever your version of centering is. Create pockets of sanity and safety with friends and family or physical spaces like your office, the gym. Find activities that will take you out of the line of fire and minimize your exposure to the abuse. Find a hobby or activity that makes you feel good about yourself and restores your confidence and esteem.

DDAY Feb 2015
Divorce finalized 4/4/16
Update: EX gave Nail Boy the boot 3/18 - Fairy tales don't last apparantly
My new zipcode is ZERO FUCKS GIVEN. It's a great town.

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 dostl10 (original poster member #58597) posted at 10:11 PM on Tuesday, May 23rd, 2017

I get all of this. Unfortunately today was a day that we had to be around each other for our daughter and it just irritated me to be around her.

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goalong ( member #57352) posted at 11:22 PM on Tuesday, May 23rd, 2017

I get all of this. Unfortunately today was a day that we had to be around each other for our daughter and it just irritated me to be around her.

Such roller coaster feelings are normal even in a less emotional incidences like betrayal by a close friend or job loss. Hope your feelings get more controllable/calm soon. Try to be more with your loved ones like parents/siblings/friends. Just talking with people close to you is very good in situation like this. There is a good chance that when she get the papers she will come for some kind of pow wow. if that happen you need to prepare yourself what your response is

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Interomni ( new member #58202) posted at 11:38 PM on Tuesday, May 23rd, 2017

Whenever I'm in a situation where I can only control my own actions and can't do much else I always think of the quote from Dune:

I must not fear.

Fear is the mind-killer.

Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.

I will face my fear.

I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.

Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.

Only I will remain.

I know it's silly, but it's a nice reminder that keeping a cool head and not letting emotions take the wheel tends to be the most effective response. The feelings are temporary but the actions you take will be etched in time.

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 dostl10 (original poster member #58597) posted at 2:46 PM on Wednesday, May 24th, 2017

So today and tomorrow WW comes to the house to hang with the kids. Today I am leaving. Usually I will do my work and stay out of the way but today I am out. I am going to the gym and then from there who knows. I have a bit of work to catch up on. Maybe a movie. Who knows.

I'm feeling very sad this morning.

Trying to get through it. Yesterday I had to call WW about the kids for something and I could hear her crying. Not sure what's going on in her brain. I'm hard 180. Filed for D but she doesn't know. She could get served Friday. I'm waiting for that storm.

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Interomni ( new member #58202) posted at 2:59 PM on Wednesday, May 24th, 2017

Dost,

I'm not an expert, but I'm fairly certain if you're 180 or greystoning someone you shouldn't be modifying your schedule for their benefit.

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 dostl10 (original poster member #58597) posted at 3:08 PM on Wednesday, May 24th, 2017

It's not for her benefit. It's for my kids benefit. They haven't done anything wrong and I've seen plenty of people post about still living with WS and just doing their own thing. I'm choosing to do things for myself today. Not for her but for me.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 10:33 PM on Friday, May 26th, 2017

How did the serving go?

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 dostl10 (original poster member #58597) posted at 1:37 PM on Saturday, May 27th, 2017

Like this. I had posted in the D Forum

So WW got the papers today. Here was here response in text to me:

Ok, thank you for letting me know. I got the papers today. I don't want to ruin your weekend but can we talk when you get back?

My Response: You wouldn't ruin my weekend. Thanks for letting me know you got them. I'd like to know what you want to discuss before talking

WW:I would like to discuss if that's really what you want and if there's no chance anymore.

To which I will not respond. Because my response would be "are you fucking serious

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wk55hn ( member #44159) posted at 2:56 PM on Saturday, May 27th, 2017

You are getting good at this.

Exactly, what is there to discuss?

If she wanted to save the marriage, what do you think she would have said? In my opinion, someone who wanted to save the marriage would say something like, "I made the worst mistake of my life and I don't want the divorce, I want to stay married. I ended it with other man and I only love you." Then she will do the stuff you asked her to do early after the confrontation.

But she wants to discuss if you really want this and there's no chance anymore. Does that sound like what you would say when you are losing the love of your life, the one you swore to stay together in solemn vows through thick and through thin?

Now this is a kind of odd thing I've noticed over the years - a lot of cheaters have devalued there spouses so much that they really don't think there spouses can do any better then them. Things I've heard were like "No one would want him - who would want him? No other woman would want him!" Also, when the initial confrontation happens and the cheater doesn't say they want the marriage, and the spouse doesn't immediately divorce, then the cheater starts to feel like the spouse will be there for the cheater until the cheater decides.

Now one other thing, either you or your wife could have divorced at any time. Heck, you didn't even have to get married to begin with. It is completely voluntary. When she became so unhappy, and fell in love with another man, she could have divorced you. But she didn't. She decided to hide the affair and keep BOTH YOU and HER BOYFRIEND. This is one of the basic tenets of cheating. The word "cheat" means to take an unfair advantage - she lies and hides to benefit herself and at your expense. So of course when the betrayed spouse files for divorce, the cheater usually feels the loss and tries to maintain BOTH of their relationships.

22 days ago you had your first post, three months since you discovered and confronted, has anything changed on her end?:

discovered my wife's affair with a coworker about 2 months ago.

"I love you, but I am not in love with you."

told it was an emotional affair, ... learned it was actually physical

they believe they are "in love."

She refuses to stop contact with him.

she is still "with him."

if the contact continues I will file for divorce. She doesn't like that

she "doesn't want to lose her family, but doesn't want to stop talking to him."

She says she is confused and needs time

Every time I say something about reality she tells me I'm threatening her.

she is so ambivalent and totally unwilling

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goalong ( member #57352) posted at 4:02 PM on Saturday, May 27th, 2017

wk55hn is right. She is not showing any remorse at all. She sounds like she is doing you a favor by offering to talk. What is happening with the POS. Looks like he is not very keen in "seeing a future with WW" hence her her high handed offer to you for R.

Keeping working towards improving your stock all around- job and health wise

[This message edited by goalong at 10:03 AM, May 27th (Saturday)]

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william ( member #41986) posted at 5:53 PM on Saturday, May 27th, 2017

Wk55hn nailed it.

me - bh
her - lara01

from 09/11 - 05/13
2 ONS, 10 sexting partners, 1 LT EA/PA

??/06/13 DD/1 - admits to LT EA, begin false R.
01/13/14 DD/2 - LTA was PA.
01/18/14 DD/3 - sexting 5 guys.
01/19/14 DD/4 - 2 ONS with different guys

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 dostl10 (original poster member #58597) posted at 6:29 PM on Saturday, May 27th, 2017

I have no idea what's going on with POS. I don't ask...i dont care. I spoke to OBS not long ago and from what I can tell she is hoping for the best and preparing for the worst. I really don't know though. I didn't ask her if she was planning divorce or what and I didn't tell her my plans because I didn't want her sharing anything with OM if she felt inclined. All I know is OBS and OM have not lived together for sometime just like myself and WW.

I'm really only worried about my situation now which is moving forward. I want to get WW to now sit down and "mediate" everything with my attorney.

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goalong ( member #57352) posted at 8:37 PM on Saturday, May 27th, 2017

I'm really only worried about my situation now which is moving forward. I want to get WW to now sit down and "mediate" everything with my attorney.

Then do not aggravate her. Play hurt and sad. Make her feel guility and sad for you. Respond to her texts questions without showing animosity. seems she is feeling guilty/want to R. make use of her current feelings to get a better deal in mediation. star this process by responding to her request for sit down an talk. be sad all the time. Keep her guessing about the possibility of R.

[This message edited by goalong at 2:45 PM, May 27th (Saturday)]

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MickeyBill2016 ( member #56459) posted at 9:04 PM on Saturday, May 27th, 2017

Good job in serving her.I bet she is a little stunned that you served her and her little mind it working OT to figure her next move. She probably thought after the OM dropped out you'd be there to take her back.

Do you think she has some idea to keep your family together or a plan to blow it all up?

When I was going thru the breakup of my M i thought my WW had all the answers and some master plan. Nope. Not even a little. Her thoughts were day by day, reacting to events. So now that she may be somewhat discombobulated it is your opportunity to negotiate things into your favor.

I like that she didn't want to ruin your weekend but was ok with ruining your marriage.

9 years married.
13 years divorced.

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 dostl10 (original poster member #58597) posted at 9:05 PM on Saturday, May 27th, 2017

Her and OM could still be involved. I do not think for a second he dropped her or she dropped him.

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