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 Thx1138 (original poster new member #59747) posted at 8:57 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

Date of discovery: June 12, 2017

I'm at a point where I can't do this alone anymore. Where to begin?

Perhaps some background first. My W and I have been married for 15 years this year. We have kids. Our relationship in my mind has always been strong. Power couple, I like to joke. Involved in the community, schools, local sports clubs. I never thought I would be here on this forum. Not sleeping, stress-eating, then not eating. That vicious cycle.

About a year and a half ago (Feb 2016), my W met a man through the community activities she and this OM are involved with. I didn't know or think much about it. She talked about him from time to time, I met him at one of their group meetings, seemed like a nice guy.

By mid march, tragedy befell a friend of my W's, and my W was there for her. Hospital stays, and eventually a burial and help planning the memorial service. I saw a change in my W, which I attributed to her grief. I thought I was doing the right thing by trying to maintain "normal operations" and even at one point I suggested she should go to a community meeting. That resulted in a major argument, that really threw me for a loop when she said to me "I don't even know you." From then on, things were different. We were eventually able to move past that previous argument, but I detected a noticeable change. Communication started to dwindle. My W would come home from work, ask a few things about my day, I would ask about her day and get very little back. At dinner time, she would be on her phone, we would be eating and not talking. I would take care of bed time for the kids while she cleaned up from dinner. After I get the kids to bed, I would come down, she would either be asleep, or on her phone. I assumed she was lurking on one of her message boards, until one night I noticed a lot of typing movements with her thumbs (she always sat so I could only see the back of the phone).

I decided that I wouldn't ask her who she was texting because it was really none of my business.

Fast forward a few months to early June 2016 and things were slightly better. (I should add I have been seeing a therapist regularly for my depression and anxiety and I had brought up the march argument to my therapist and we had a plan of action to address it with my W - that argument had brought back a lot of previous issues from my childhood -btw). By June 2016, we had been in a better place, communication was slightly better. Our physical relationship was beginning to come around, although that has always been on/off in our 15 years of marriage - so there was nothing ever concerning to me about it (at this point). One day in June, we rec'd a post card from the man - "friend" - that she met through the community activities. I asked her about it - the post card was addressed to the whole family - but that is when a warning flag went up. Not only that, buy my W went on and on about the guy. How great he is, he's "interesting" and nice. The "friend" was on a business trip - and he found time out of his busy schedule to select a post card of some really beautiful architecture which my W enjoys, writes the post card, and drops it in the mail. I should have said something then and there, because I think others would agree with me, who was the post card really for? But I didn't. I let it go. I had a warning flag in my mind, but I figured I was being a jealous git because he's a guy and maybe I'm not as forward thinking as I thought I was...

By the middle of the summer 2016, our communication had dwindled again. My W is off for summers - and we weren't connecting. One night I was looking for a pen, and went into my W's office desk drawer and found a rock - smooth, like a rock from a beach - nothing native to our coastline - at least that I have seen. Then I see another trinket - on the shelf behind her desk - with the name of the state that (you guessed) the "friend" had sent the post card from - and neither of us have been to that state.

My warning flag started waiving. I asked about the rock and the other trinket. She said it was from her "friend" - this OM. I asked if she was talking to him regularly she said that they text from time to time. I should have asked to see the text messages, but I honestly was afraid for two reasons: 1) She would think I was suspicious and un-trusting and jealous, 2) what would the text messages say. I decided that I would sneak a peak at her texts - which proved difficult because I started to notice how she and her phone NEVER parted company.

Finally, one morning in august, I was able to get to her phone, and just as I was getting ready to look, he texted her with an apparent nickname he has for her. This was at 5:30 AM. Now my warning flags started to turn into a siren - 5:30 AM seems outside of friendship boundaries. Needless to say, I saw that, freaked out and didn't unlock the phone to see the rest of the message. I didn't even confront my W because I didn't know what to do. I didn't even address it with my therapist at that point because I wasn't sure of the context of the message.

Later in the week, I had asked my W if she wanted me to back up her phone, since I was backing mine up. She said sure. On a whim I decided to use another software that I own that can view the contents of the backups. I figured I would see just how often she had been texting this OM. I was prepared for a few hundred texts in the time frame that they have known each other (Feb to August 2016). My estimate was jaw-droppingly off. 20,000+ text messages from Feb to August! As a data person, i immediately put it into a spreadsheet, to see who has been texting more, and the numbers came out exactly down the middle (I was hoping for more texts from the OM and fewer responses from my W). For every text, there was a response. I was shocked. I should have said something right then and there, but I didn't. I figured I would snoop a little to investigate exactly where this texting relationship is going. That is where I felt I crossed a line - my W has a right to privacy. I dug into their text messages, I analyzed word usage, decoded their secret communication lingo. Some flirty, nothing scandalous. Texting times were definitely outside of friendship hours - 5:30 AM, 1:30, 2 AM - times that should be spent sleeping were spent texting with this OM. Deep conversations - religion, politics, beliefs, family. In a sense I was relieved, but extremely upset at the same time. I realized this could be one aspect to our communication problem. I realized the energy she spent into texting this OM left very little for us.

Because I had crossed a line, and I know my W would be devastated to know that I read her private messages (only to this guy I might add), I decided I would focus on making things better for us. Until... September 2016. She started getting coffee with the OM after dropping the kids off at school. I had to say something because I was uncomfortable with her spending time with this guy, knowing what I read in the texts (again, flirty, nothing scandalous, things that I would say to my W). One day as W and I walked the kids to school together (on her off day), she mentioned to me she was going to grab coffee with this OM, and I said, "just the two of you?" She said yes, and I said, "so... like a date?" She didn't really respond, but said "oh don't say that..." After coffee, she came down to my office (I was working from home that day) and asked if I was ok with her getting coffee with the OM, because I made her uncomfortable with my date comment. I asked her how much are you texting with this OM because I noticed you are on your phone A LOT. She lied to me - "oh we text, but its usually as part of a larger threat related to the community building activities." But because I didn't have the ethical ground to stand on (I snooped, read her private communication), I couldn't say anything.

Meanwhile, my depression and anxiety grew worse because I couldn't talk to anyone. My therapist didn't even know at this point. I was low. One day at a local book store, I was on the verge of tears with my W, and I asked her about the OM. I said does he want something more than just friendship with you - I mentioned the post card(s) (there have been more since the first one in June of 2016) - asked about other things - trinkets. She told me that they are "just friends" and he is a nice guy and wants to be friends with "us". Just then, coincidentally I get a text from this OM asking to go see a movie with him and a couple of other dads from our kids' school. She says "see, he doesn't want to see a move with me, he wants to see a movie with you and wants to be your friend too." It took a few more conversations, but she eventually convinced me that everything is OK with us, our physical relationship heated up again, we were talking a little more. I started letting my guard down. Actually hanging out with the OM - I thought he was a nice guy. He and my W started working out together - early morning runs (which I was never invited to bc someone had to stay home to get the kids up).

Things slightly improved, my depression and anxiety improved a little. I pushed the texting from my mind and let it go.

Fast forward to 2017, and things have just stayed even-keeled - our communication hasn't improved, but hasn't worsened. Our physical relationship had cooled off again. I started a new job, so I was focused on that and not on stuff at home.

In March of 2017, we hit another low point - we had essentially stopped communicating altogether - I would put the kids to bed, she would be asleep on the couch. I would watch TV, she would be on her phone. In the meantime up to this point, we had been over to the OM's house for dinner with his family (he has W and children) several times, they have been over to our house. Things seemed off in March between us, and I couldn't quite figure out what it was. We had discussed my struggles with house work, finishing tasks and I know that was a bone of contention with my W and me.

We continued our decline, our physical relationship was all but non-existent at this point. Maybe we found time to connect romantically every three weeks or so.

In May, things got really weird between us. It felt as though my W couldn't make time for me, for us. My parents came for a visit, and my W made herself scarce. When my W and I tried to connect romantically, she would have an excuse like she really had to finish her book for book club. When we finally did connect physically, it felt like she wasn't present.

I had this feeling in my gut that something was not right, something that was distracting her more than usual. I had this feeling that someone had been in the house. Immediately my alarm bells starting blaring. One night, in early June 2017, my W could not get to bed fast enough. Normally there is some down time after putting the kids to bed, she would fall asleep on the couch or text and I would watch some TV - our routine. But she broke that routine, hurried to bed. I decided to snoop again because it didn't feel right. No goodnight, no I'm really tired... just straight to bed with out even a backward glance. Another telling sign, we had some items of clothes on the bed that she pushed to my side. Normally when this happens, either I, or her, would clear the bed, put stuff away. She left it all for me. It was out of character and alarming.

I decided I would check her phone for text messages. What I found next broke me. She deleted every single text from the OM. Every other text was there from her other contacts. Prior to this, she had also taken care to make sure that the message previews on the lock screen were muted and not displayed.

I decided to back up her phone while she was asleep. I also decided that I would set up a camera facing the front door of the house to see if anyone comes by, suspecting that the person that I felt was in the house was this OM.

So, I had the backups, and I had to wait for my camera from Amazon. The camera was well disguised, and I set it up. On Friday, June 12, I had my answer. The camera showed my W and this OM talking, then get closer, and closer. Until finally they kiss for approximately 15 mins. Then they leave the house at which point prior to opening the front door, the OM kisses her again, deeply. I checked the phone backup, used special software to recover deleted text messages, discovered that this has been going on since at least March, possibly earlier. The deleted texts lose some timestamp data and order so it's hard to exactly pinpoint when it began. I'm assuming it has been a PA, meaning beyond just kissing, but I have 0 proof of that. The texts have gotten increasingly flirty over the time that I stopped monitoring. I saw references to "let's talk, and nothing else... just talk" to talking about kissing each other.

I'm at a loss. My W doesn't know that I know. I have tearfully read her a letter I wrote to remind her of us, and how I'm not a priority in her life right now. About how this OM brings so much stress and anxiety to us.

She has favorably responded to my appeal for a re-focus on our relationship, to the extent that these past few weeks have been like the early days in our relationship - talking, excited about waking up next to each other, her phone is not attached to her, she leaves it different places around the house. We are doing things as a family, there is more thought and courtesy between the two of us. I have worked on my issues such as ensuring the clutter is gone, keeping the house picked up, cooking more dinners, planning meals, helping fold laundry. I have been trying to be a better communicator in general, as my therapist and I have been working on that aspect.

How do I address this with her? Do I tell her what I know even though it would risk exposing my sources and methods and more importantly erode what trust she has left in me. I know she still texts with the OM, although its definitely not as frequent. I have avoided hanging out with him and "strangely", he hasn't bothered reaching out to me. She seems focused on re-building us.

I just don't know where to go from here. I am deeply affected by this, my depression and anxiety are worse than ever. I have brought my therapist up to date, but he's not a relationship/marriage counselor.

Thanks and apologies for the novel.

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Craztcat829 ( member #57788) posted at 9:14 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

Wow. I am so very sorry that you are here. There is a huge amount of information to read here. I do believe it is time to divulge to your wife what you know. She thinks she is getting away with something. Time to let her know the jig is up. Seems as if every time you bring up her relationship with this OM, she backs off him and gives you what you want to throw you off. And time to inform the OBS. You can't keep allowing this to go on. It is obviously affecting you adversely. That's not fair. Please remember to take care of yourself and your children.

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learning9433 ( member #58701) posted at 9:26 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

oh boy...

You need to sit her down and tell her you know, you certainly do not need to tell her how, thats none of her business, never reveal your sources...ever.

Have her open up the phone while there, better yet, have her open the account so you two can look at the texts on the bill together, then ask her where r all the messages on the phone.

After you confront, do not give a second alone, she will text him to warn him, do not let her.

You then put her in the car and drive to friends house and confront with his wife there..seriously. Stop this charade tonight. Its been long enough and you have now given it time to become more entrenched.

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MickeyBill2016 ( member #56459) posted at 9:43 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

You have more facts than most people do when they suspect a wayward partner.

It sucks that you are in the same social circle but hey that is where people meet.

You could confront her when the kids are out of the house. Maybe as you back up her phone so she cannot call the OM Tell her that you have a pretty good idea that she is having an affair and that she needs to come clean with everything. And that you know more than she could imagine so do not lie or minimize. Let her talk then present your evidence. D or R?

Or for a lot for fireworks have the couple over for dinner. Reveal to everyone. Probably should have her (or your) bag packed to leave.

As Barney Fife would say, "nip it in the bud"

Good luck.

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13 years divorced.

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bobdobalina ( member #58678) posted at 9:50 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

Concidering what you new and gut was telling you it was a pretty relaxed attitude you gave her

You should of been in to this much earlier and fronted up to this guy that he over stepping many normal boundaries and entering into your marriage zone

Also the set up of the invite to the cinema is just outrages disrespect

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beenthereinco ( member #56409) posted at 9:53 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

Time to confront. How much more do you need to see? Also tell the other man's wife. Don't warn your wife about that one. Try to do it all at once so they can't talk to each other. You say you know the wife then call her. Show her the evidence. Plan for a time when you can both confront them separately so they have no time to work out stories. You've got to take charge here. Stop being so passive.

Is there any anger in there? You seem so accepting of this and worried about upsetting her. You didn't do anything wrong looking at her phone. You were within your rights. Crap I would have confronted when I saw the volume of texts. I wouldn't have waited for the video evidence. Get mad. The OM has been laughing at you with your WW. That invite to the movie was a real slap in the face. Don't take this any longer.

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br549 ( member #58020) posted at 9:58 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

I would tell the OBS before your WW. That way you control the narrative.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 10:04 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

Expose to her boyfriend's wife first. Blow it out of the water.

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Kalma ( member #58788) posted at 10:15 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

Have the couple over for an adults only dinner and a movie night. Prepare a delicious dinner, be totally attentive to your wife. then invite everyone to the living room to watch the movie over dessert. Have the movie be watching the tape. Of course make sure your choice of dessert can be easily cleaned from being thrown. That is one way to nuke the whole thing at once, and both you and OBS can see their reaction at the same time. Come to the dark side, we have cookies.

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PricklePatch ( member #34041) posted at 10:23 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

I would simply say I know. I know about you and the other man. You need to go no contact etc immediately.

Give her a list of demands including transparency. It is a gift you give her to recover. Remember you didn't cheat she did. Get how to survive an affair and not just friends.

Also consult an attorney and be prepared to lose your marriage to save it. Alert the om's wife.

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TimSC ( member #58844) posted at 10:27 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

Tell her that you have proof that her and OM are more than just friends.

Tell her you want the entire truth or you are done with her and she can go to OM now.

Tell his wife - she deserves to know.

Understand that they have chosen to destroy both marriages. You are not to blame.

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badmemory ( member #58358) posted at 10:28 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

Friend,

Your wife has been having a PA with this man for months. Grown-ups don't stop at kissing. POSOM's don't text and communicate with their OW's for months for just an EA. All this and you're worried about her not trusting you because you did what you had to do to catch her. Seriously?

Wake the hell up. Your wife has betrayed you and broken her vows.Who gives a rat's ass what she thinks about how you got the evidence.Where is your anger?

You need to confront her and demand the whole truth. If she doesn't completely end contact, give you a complete timeline of the A, become completely transparent, beg your forgiveness and demonstrate genuine remorse - your path should be straight toward divorce.

If she fully complies, now you are to the place where you can "consider" R. That decision can be made by you in the following weeks or months; and your decision should depend on her acceptance of consequences, demonstrated remorse and most importantly, your capacity to get past her betrayal regardless.

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 10:42 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

I'm thinking your wife discovered something, not sure what, but she figured out you were on to her.

Replay the day, and day before you got the movie invite. Did she text the OM in the bookstore and have him suggest the movie to cover her tracks?

One night, in early June 2017, my W could not get to bed fast enough.

She figured you were about to discover something that she forgot to cover her tracks for. All the texts were gone, phone was available. Something tipped her off. It was a setup for you to snoop and find nothing.

Do you expose now? Other than texting and obviously the kissing, you really don't know how much further this has gone. When you expose, assume you will not know anymore from that point, it will die or go underground, even if you protect your sources.

I don't have any problems with you snooping or "invading her privacy". She was obviously doing "something" behind your back. For me, it would be the question of how much and far.

I would wait, keep the camera, maybe get a VAR for her car and house. Maybe a GPS of some sort to track her. It's been a year and a half, whats a few more weeks or so.

Many will tell you to expose now, and they have a valid argument. I'd rather spend the time to see if more had been going on.

NEVER, NEVER REVEAL YOUR SOURCES! EVER! You certainly don't want her to know how much you do know. When you expose, she will less likely to try and lie about it, and it will much easier to catch her in a lie if she does.

The Healing Library has some tips on snooping, read them! ( Yellow box, upper left corner)

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 10:43 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

Oh Kalma! You are an evil wench!

I like the way you think!

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"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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1985 ( member #28171) posted at 11:09 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

I think Kalma has it right. Only thing I would ad is take the camera down first and take it to your work office. Let them wonder where the camera was and if there are others.

You would definitely need to le,t his wife in on the plan in advance so that she is not blindsided. To not do so would be cruel. If she doesn't want to participate, maybe set up an after work drink at your house for your W and OM and show them the movie.

Whichever way it goes, immediately confront after the movie as to how far it has gone. Add to your question, "please just be honest and admit; don't make me play the next set of movies". See if the bluff work. If it doesn't just say, "I won't give you the pleasure of seeing those, I will save them for Mrs OM". See if that works. Good luck

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Her-fWW now 69 Still beautiful to me
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Marriagesucks ( member #46828) posted at 11:44 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

If you can afford it how about hiring a PI? It would be much easier than you trying to play detective. Besides a good PI would have some better methods to catch the two lovebirds in the act. Besides you said you caught them on video kissing for about fifteen minutes. I got to tell you if my wife was kissing some dude for that amount of time he had better be wearing a mouth guard when I saw him again. I wouldn't have that much control. If you don't want to hire the PI have your wife take a poly. Do you really think that they are meeting up for coffee?

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PlanC ( member #47500) posted at 11:47 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

1. Snooping on your spouse is not unethical. Spouses should not have secrets. Waywards always get pissy about "privacy" once caught, but don't let them shift the focus to you.

2. Never reveal your sources. Ever. If you do they will take the affair underground and you will lose valuable data.

3. Kalma's method for revelation would certainly make you an Internet rock star. But another method is simply saying "I know you are having an affair. Do not bother to lie, deny or blameshift. I have proof. And here are my conditions for staying married to you....". You don't need to prove it to her--she knows she is a cheater.

4. If you want to stay married, telling the affair partner's spouse is the most effective avenue. Make the affair inconvenient for him and have his wife police his actions. Do not warn your wife that you will contact the other betrayed spouse.

5. It is very common for a wayward wife to have conflicting emotions once the affair reaches this level. Any efforts to nice her back will backfire, based in the experiences of myself and tens of thousands of other men. Only showing strength, calmness and the willingness to walk away has any chance of success.

6. See a lawyer and determine your divorce plan. If things head that direction you need to be in the driver's seat.

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DD 1: April 2013, confessed ONS June 2012
DD 2: March 2014, confessed affair August 2012 through March 2013
DD 3: October 2015, involuntarily confessed 5 additional ONS starting August 2014 through November 2014 (manic)

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 11:57 PM on Thursday, July 20th, 2017

THX,

You definitely have to take action on this and stop biding your time or holding back out of fear of your wife's reaction. You cannot just stand by and let this nonsense continue.

I really think you have more than enough evidence of what has been going on, and if you wait another six months until you have six bulging files of evidence, you are still going to have to do something with it, aren't you? So I think it is better to derail this thing now rather than wait until you have fifty video clips, a stack of photographs, and a load of recordings from a VAR. Are they really going to tell you anything more than you know now?

Exposure is a surefire way of killing it off, particularly if the news gets out in the circles they move in. Suddenly the secret is secret no longer, and many eyes will be watching them.

As others have said, do not tell your wife anything about it before you do it. You tell her after it has been done, so she cannot warn the man. You definitely need to expose to the man's wife, and depending on how you feel about doing it, you and his wife can then confront the man together about it, with you telling him in no uncertain terms that he is not to have any more contact with your wife again.

If his wife does not work, you can take a day off work and either go to her house, or agree to meet at a cafe. Tell her everything that you know, take your evidence with you, and ask her if she wants to see it. I think you should put a copy of the film and a number of the more incriminating messages onto a USB stick that you can give to the wife if she wants it. I know people say you should never reveal your sources, but you are on the point of derailing this thing, and your evidence is crucial to doing that. No-one can argue with that film.

As I say, I think it would be good if you and the man's wife could then wait for him to get home and confront him together. You tell him he stays away for good, and that you will be watching him like a hawk.

After that, it is up to you how much you want to say to your wife. You could say nothing, and see if the man gets in touch with her and tells her what has happened. That could be quite revealing, because it would mean that he has got back in touch with your wife after being told to make himself scarce. However, you might as well tell her that you know all about them, and that you have already told the wife and the man that he has to stay away for good. You can also bring up that night she went straight to bed and tell her that you now know the exact reason that she did that (it doesn't take much working out, does it?) If your wife tries to deny it, stick to your guns and tell her you know the extent of it. Given the evidence you have, your wife will not know what else you may have up your sleeve, so why not bluff her?

I know you are worried about how she may react, but you need to step back and get some perspective on this. She is cheating, and you caught her. Which one of you has the right to moral outrage in this situation? If your wife claims you have been spying on her, you can counter that she is angry she got caught, and ask her why she thought it was alright to cheat. The one thing you must not do is apologise for catching her, which means no apologies for any gathering of evidence. You were not 'spying', you were catching her cheating.

And really, THX, what is your wife going to in the aftermath of being discovered? She can't run off with the other man, because he will be catching hell from his wife and doing everything he can to pacify her. Which leaves your wife the option of throwing everything away to leave you, with everyone in your various social sets being made aware of what she has done, or staying with you and coming clean. Effectively, she can leave in disgrace, or actually put some honest effort into making up for the damage that she has done to the marriage.

If you have any good friends that you can trust, or siblings, they can be your support once you have exposed the affair. You can talk to siblings or parents prior to the exposure, but I would keep it quiet from any friends in case they alert the man or your wife.

I understand that this is a horrible and anxious time for you, but sitting back and not taking action has not really helped things, has it? This thing needs to be derailed as soon as possible, because it really should not be allowed to continue for a second longer, and your wife and the man need to know that they have been busted and that future contact is out of the question.

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TheGuy123 ( member #59235) posted at 12:54 AM on Friday, July 21st, 2017

The OMW needs to know....ASAP!

And don't tell your Ww.

The OM will let your WW know that you know.

The reason in doing this is you dont have to listen to the bull grap from your wife, the OM wont have time to compare stories with WW, OMW wont get the same bull grap from OM inaddition to a made up warning about whats coming, you will have OMW help you kill the affair, and its the right thing to do for another betrayed spouse.

Once both spouses just stop caring...anything can happen and usually does.

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TheGuy123 ( member #59235) posted at 1:03 AM on Friday, July 21st, 2017

Things are good now....It's nice having your old lady back...but trust me....as soon as you guys hit the next rough patch she will run to the OM.

If you want to affair proof this marriage you will need to command respect and stop being afraid.

For years I never confront my old ladies infidelity. It just kept getting worse.

You need to make a plan and work the plan.

Having s dinner party, or just sending an email to the OMW, but you need to kill this affair with help of the OMW.

[This message edited by TheGuy123 at 7:06 PM, July 20th (Thursday)]

Once both spouses just stop caring...anything can happen and usually does.

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