Struggled with something this week
OBS will reach out from time to time.....think once a year or so. Last time it was when he ran into my FWH, his ex-wife, and her new boyfriend all in the same pool. He was clearly triggered and let me know because he knew that FWH and I have a deal where anytime he runs into OW (which is thankfully rare...as I do it ALL.THE.TIME) FWH tells me and we follow a specific plan.
OBS divorced OW 18 months ago. I gather he, and the state, are having to sue her for child support. In the course of this suit, he's been able to see her bank statements. Evidently, she hid money during the divorce....surprise. It is a pretty hefty sum. OBS messaged me a few days ago asking if it was possible that this money could've come from my FWH. Don't you love how infidelity is the gift that keeps on giving.
Now....1. I think my husband is too cheap to ever do something like this.....but I also thought he'd never have an affair....so there is that. 2. He's said he's showed me all the accounts, but if he really wanted to do something like that.....he's smart enough to know how to hide it. 3. If it turns out to be true....which I'm fairly confident isn't the case, but affair makes me KNOW that I will never really know.......I don't think I would want to be in the same state much less married to him.
Further, our poster children for affair recovery......that OW blackmailed that FWH to the tune of six figures. So, I know it is possible. Though, thinking about where we were in recovery at the time.....my FWH really seemed all in for recovery. We were deep into therapy and both trying hard.
I did some digging. Didn't find anything. Spoke with FWH....who laughed at first, vehemently denied, and was angry that OBS reached out. Ultimately, the source will likely come out in court and then everyone will know for sure. To be truthful, I triggered HARD and lost my shit. FWH handled it well. Was very gentle with me. Helped remind me of the good place we've been in.
I don't really know what OBS thought he was going to achieve by asking this. He's known we've been in a good place. He apologized if it proved triggering (DUH). I've valued having had him out the affair to as I didn't know. And, it has been somewhat comforting having someone to cross reference timelines and be able to verify things with him. But, it's been 3 1/2 or so years. And, this is bonkers to try to process. Kudos to you if you read this long. I know it will come out eventually....but ugh!
10 comments posted: Friday, September 2nd, 2022
Not doing great
It's not FWH...it's me.
Moved our only kid into college last week. Everything went well. We're both back home trying to get into some kind of routine. Mostly, we're doing well. At least well with each other. Just this milestone..... I didn't stay in recovery or reconciliation for our son, but I did consider him when I decided to work hard. Being just with FWH in the house.....I'm asking myself "Is this it?". He's not doing anything wrong. Actually, he does so much right.
We've had a wonderful summer together as a family. Though, back at home is trigger central. It's even been more than 3 years....but coming home the affair is consuming more of my brain than I'd like.
I just can't shake that FWH was an enthusiastic participant in the affair. That a friend of mine was also enthusiastic about betraying me in the way they did. I guess, in my mind, I really wanted better for myself....I hate that the affair, even in the past, is part of our story. I hate how many people know in our small town. Feeling a bit of shame about that.
I know it will take time to adjust to empty nest. Stupid Monday.
10 comments posted: Tuesday, August 23rd, 2022
Reframing the name
The OW has a special, funny name….ironically one that FWH called her behind her back…..in my phone.
But, I see that/her real name everywhere….
It’s small potatoes. Give me a funny way to turn this around when I see it.
9 comments posted: Thursday, July 21st, 2022
OW shenanigans again
Went swimming on a boat with a bunch of triathlete friends. OW and FWH affair happened when they were training together for a race. She was mentoring me in the sport. This is a boat event that she would normally go on that I've been avoiding. Knowing that she recently had surgery - not stalking, just see her around town on crutches, I figured I'd be safe. H was at home making me dinner:).
OW showed up with a new boyfriend....also another athlete. (She has a type) And, she scrambled up to sit right, RIGHT, beside me. She had to pass numerous seats on crutches to get to my spot. New boyfriend giving me the stank eye like I did something wrong.
I just ignored them both....but when I got home I went down the rabbit hole of despair. Why WOULD anyone do this?? I know I should stop asking questions that are unanswerable. But, for crying out loud. It's like she either WANTS me to make a scene OR just likes to torture me. What a f-ing psycho! I'm not moving. I'm not changing sports - I got to a world championship last year after just three years of doing this. We're more than 3 years post DDay. H and I are doing great! He's done so much work that he's actually starting to feel like my hero again. And, that letting my guard down a bit has me more than a little nervous.
Thanks for listening.
P.S. Totally out-swam the boyfriend just out of spite.
29 comments posted: Thursday, June 16th, 2022
That is all....stupid triggers. Nothing in particular, just cumulative stuff....running into A people I don't really want to see in passing. They're people....not tigers anymore....but still triggering. FWH has had an epic man flu....not covid, thankfully.....but feel crappy doesn't help him to be around for us.....I should be grateful that he is around, but it has been a week without all the little things he does that show me where he is. I feel horrible for saying that. He's sick. But, without those little things, and him being sick.....I'm like "in sickness and in health"....F-that.....you didn't give me that. I'm angry. I've been here....made the chicken soup and all. It is so stupid. I feel like an epic child right now. 3 years out, I know he's frustrated that I'm not over this....I'm not completely. It days like this that I want to just tap out. I know I don't really want a D, but I also know that this is SO hard somedays. I just know that he didn't want to be with me....and it makes me want to bolt, cut and run, kick him out, start fresh, move abroad....IDK....just escape this. Tomorrow, I'm sure I'll feel better. He handled it like a man with the flu....and then apologized. Was, super defensive....because man-flu....and I'm also so wary that I'm going to be posting here again with another DDday. I don't REALLY think so, but WTAF do I know? Just a bad day.
7 comments posted: Thursday, May 5th, 2022
I am a mess
Last week, my FWH went to the pool. The only other people at the pool were OW, OBS and OW's new boyfriend. Prompting OBS (they're divorced) to message me as he was triggered by husband's presence and wanted to be sure that husband HAD indeed messaged me as is our plan. I received OBS's text and messaged FWH - WTAF....you didn't tell me she was there. He called me just as the message went through - like to the minute/second, prompting another delve into the trust but verify mode. OBS is doing great, btw. Much happier now. The whole thing is comical if I think about it....but still. Weird random coincidences. And, YES....what a freaking small community.
Then, ran into again OW Sunday....or thought I did. Again, husband didn't say that he saw her....says it wasn't her. Super defensive on his part. He had his new, male training partner confirm that it wasn't her.....but I don't know if I actually believe that.
While also hosting a dear friend who was the only couple to have survived infidelity that I know of personally. They have been instrumental in our recovery. Friend let us know that he had just filed for divorce.
And, I was doing so well. I have become a paranoid mess.
6 comments posted: Tuesday, March 22nd, 2022
Do you know anyone......
Do you know of any longer term couple that ISN'T tested by infidelity at some point? Just curious. After going through this......I'm shocked at how common it is. It's awful....and common.
17 comments posted: Monday, February 14th, 2022
Ugh....ran into OW again today
It's getting easier. We're nearly 3 years out and our marriage is better than it ever was - not that it was particularly bad. FWH has moved mountains for us...and me too. Neither of us is perfect, but we're imperfectly trying hard for each other. I'm good with that. Counselor fired us and said ya'll are good. Triggers are down to maybe once a month or every other month. I'm no longer wanting to shout to the mountaintops of how evil OW is. I'm sure she'll f-up whatever new relationships come her way all on her own without any help from me. But, it is affair season....and celebrating the good things we now have together takes a lot sometimes. FWH and I have made some incredible new memories in recovery. We have SO many better skills. I can honestly say that I am grateful for our marriage now, but certainly not the enormous pain that brought us here. I'm grateful that we've both tried so hard and can reap the benefits of that.
I know this is petty.....but I ran into her again today. Unfortunately, this usually happens at the gym locker room. Usually while, one or the other of us is undressed or otherwise vulnerable. I'm not giving her the satisfaction of changing gyms or sports. I did nothing wrong. It IS getting easier when these things happen to remember that I won. She wasn't all that enough to break up our marriage. She wasn't all that enough to keep her own marriage. Or a few of the recent boy toys I know that she's dated. It is just that when we do run into each other....she looks at me like I'M the one who pissed in her cornflakes and not the other way around. There is a part of me that wishes she would find it a little more obviously uncomfortable or embarrassing to run into me. What I get is angry stares. I KNOW that shouldn't bother me, but a little contrition seems appropriate. I know my brain is trying to still keep me safe....but she has too much rent free space in my head. I want benign indifference....to rise above all this.....when does that magically happen?
Are there any recovered FW's out there who were part of a double betrayal? It might help me to hear what might be going through the mind of someone who has been there. PM me if you don't want to make that public. I just wish I could understand why she seems mad at me. I don't care that she might be....that's her problem. Never having been a wayward, I just want to understand why I could possibly be her villain after all this time...or maybe, likely, I'm overthinking this as I imagine most BS's do.
6 comments posted: Wednesday, December 8th, 2021
Two steps forward, one giant leap back.
Complicated story here, but it is a small town and there are few options for triathlon training coaching here. FWH and my coach has left the country. The other big team is OW's coaching team. FWH's new male training partner is great friends with OW's coach. FWH has been giving me the full court press on how he should be "allowed" to switch teams. Truthfully, up to this point.....he's been doing all the things he should. He thinks that if he just continues to avoid her, but works out with his male training partner on her team.....I should be ok. And, has said some ENORmously shitty things about this being a "me" problem. We just came back from an amazing adventure together, but it was tainted by this. We've had 4 knock down drag-out fights over this. I'm pretty clear....this will not happen in my marriage2.0. Calm until I can't be. Things culminated the night before last when I was just done. Kicked him out of the bedroom. He stupidly told me he was filing in the morning (yesterday). I told him to go for it. Honestly, I was fully prepared and calm about that as a distinct possibility. I felt like, if this is the hill that he's going to die on....so be it.
The idea of being on the same team.....won't EVER be ok. I called the new training partner and explained. New training partner has been through this on the other side. I guess the "go for it" hit FWH hard enough. He emailed, called, texted, and left a note under the door of our marriage counselor - who had told us...."guys...you're good" not that long ago. Thankfully, he was able to see us for a marathon session last night. During which, twice I had to leave. MC prevailed upon H just what a dumbshit he was being. That these are the consequences, no matter how much of a poster child he's being in recovery....I will ALWAYS need him to avoid ANY semblance of proximity perceived or otherwise. H grudgingly agreed....is still a little pissy about me not being "recovered enough"for this. After chatting with the new training partner, I KNOW H is not looking to switch teams to be closer to OW - but just wants to keep up training and friendship with the male training partner. Male training partner's XW was the cheater. And, being around him has been helpful for H.
Yes, friends....I know this is a sport. I'm hooked on it now too. Honestly, being able to do this has been a godsend for me - in spite of all the potential triggers. It has given me the strength to let go of the outcome and also stand up for myself in ways I never would have pre-A.
MC sent us home last night with instructions not to talk about it with each other for a few days. We're back on the MC's regular schedule. H was DEEP in a shame spiral in the session. I don't think HE'S as recovered as he thinks he might be. Crazy as it sounds. We left the MC's went on to have a nice dinner out and went to a comedy club....and actually had a nice night. My brain hurts from the spinning.
It's the gift that keeps on giving.
13 comments posted: Friday, September 17th, 2021
Nothing new. Just recovery not being linear, blah blah blah. Had a great month. Ran into OW....again....today. Would REALLY like this to be less of a thing and to remember that I "won". I sort of did. We're much, much better. Trying. Though, feeling sometimes that the trying is SO hard. 2 years, 4 months out from DDay. I know it will be ok.....today it's just hard.
6 comments posted: Friday, September 10th, 2021