User Topic: 5 years out - A few thoughts
Member # 21101
Default  Posted: 9:19 AM, September 26th (Thursday)

Today is a kind of milestone for me, us. I thought I would put a few ponderances of the whole infidelity thing out there for the newbies, for those that are struggling to get through R, and those that are healing, and becoming stronger in self, and those who are becoming stronger in relationship.

5 years ago today, I finally found my proof. After months of feeling like I was loosing my mind, and being treated like a second class citizen, I finally got my proof. I must have approached 100 times since March of that year. I knew he was unhappy, I knew things were off, I knew in my GUT, that something was up.

It was difficult for me to get my proof. My H had routinely kept his phone password protected for work, and it didn't bother me because I knew he didn't have anything to hide. Until he did. Unfortunately for me, I had never asked for the password, so I had no clue, and couldn't ever get his phone to mess with it because he kept it on his person while awake, and charging on his night stand while sleeping.

But really that's neither here nor there. My H had his A, and it went on for a while. I am a believer that everything happens for a reason, so I'm not gonna coulda woulda shoulda'd my way through this.

Here are some things that I want to say, and share as a veteran.

First of all for any BS out there, know that no matter what your WS says, or does, their choice to cheat has absolutely NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING to do with you. It's not because you were a good/bad partner, that you were too mean/nice, too fat/thin, or any other reason you may think or they have told you the reason for cheating. KNOW and BELIEVE they the WS chose this path because they are broken, have poor boundaries, and felt they were getting something they needed from that AP that they couldn't find in themselves, in their M or in other place in their lives. This feeling, of whatever it is they are getting it temporary, and not real. It is an allusion that happens when the perfect storm is created.
Now if you have a truly remorseful spouse R is possible, and not only is it possible, but you have an opportunity to grow as a couple, and become better, stronger, and happier.

YES REALLY!!!! If you are new to this, or even a year into it, it may seem that I am completely out of my mind to say it and believe it. However it is possible. The recipe for successful R, is long and complicated, and requires tweaking along the way. The essential ingredients.

1. One REMORSEFUL WS (not regretful, that will only lead to a ruined attempt, with more pain for the BS.

2, One BS who has started to find themselves again, and gain their inner strength to the point of being able to share their needs, and feelings, and more importantly being able to call bullshit on the WS when they start to fall back into old habits.

3. Hard Work. This work MUST be done by both the WS, and the BS. For a relationship to R. A BS has to again tell the WS what they need. NEVER assuming the WS has an understanding of the BS's thoughts and needs. The WS absolutely HAS to do the work of figuring out their why's. I mean the REAL why's. Not the I didn't feel important/loved/needed. But I needed to feel important/loved/needed because I was unhappy with myself. WHATEVER THEIR reason WHY has to come back to them. They have to figure out what's broken about themselves, and the go about the work of fixing it. As a BS it's your job to tell them when they are off base, when they say things like You didn't need me, that's why, or we didn't have enough sex, or whatever other crazy thing they come up with. It's your job to push them to introspect.

4. The most hated ingredient, TIME. You have to give it time, this won't be fixed in a week, a month, or even a year. IT TAKES TIME. There will be times along the way where you will absolutely KNOW you are going to make it, and times where you will doubt it, and they will interchange sometimes so quickly you will doubt your own sanity. THAT's OK It's all part of the process, and healing of the wound.

5. Acceptance - Learning to know this has happened. There is nothing you can do to change it now. This will shape who you are, who your spouse is, and what your relationship is from this point forward. That does not make it bad thing, a good thing, or any other thing. It just is. With acceptance comes the realization that YOU as the BS couldn't have done anything to prevent it, and as the WS it was something had they stopped, and looked long and hard at themselves, like they do now on a daily basis that they may have been able to prevent, but accepting that they didn't have the tools, or self awareness to it at that point in their life.

6. Love - Yes love. You have to love each other, and yourself. For it to work, for the WS this can come slowly. Many hate themselves for what they have done, and learing that they have worth, and are worthy of a happy life again takes time, also takes acceptance, time, and changing themselves.
For the BS the self esteem takes a huge hit intially, and if codependent behaviors exist can take a long time to realize that loving yourself, and putting your needs first is acceptable.

I am not saying our R was without it's bumps, and difficulties, because it had them. However I can say that for the most part our M today is better than it was pre A. My H treats me much better, and respects me oh so much more. Through the hectic pace of life, with teens, work, home business, and everything else, I am happy that I have H as my partner through it all. But I can honestly say had he not done the hard work, I would have been able to do it on my own, and would have been just as happy, because I would have given myself the respect and love I deserve.

(((((and strength to all )))))

Him: FWS
Kids: 15 & 17
Married for 22 years now, was 16 at the time. .
D-Day Sept 26 2008
Fully R'd, and Happy Happy Happy

Posts: 8787 | Registered: Oct 2008 | From: St. Louis
Member # 35593
Default  Posted: 9:51 AM, September 26th (Thursday)

Thank you for this great post. I felt a huge rant coming on and your post completely calmed it. Thank you for showing me I am not wasting my time.

Me 52
WH 52
Married 30+ years
Together trying to R

I tell people I am tired but really my heart is broken and I am sad.

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Member # 15902
Default  Posted: 9:55 AM, September 26th (Thursday)

Me: BH, Her: FWW - Long Term EA/PA
d-day: June 25, 2007
Married 30 years, Reconciled

Inner peace begins the moment you choose not to allow another person or event to control your emotions.

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Member # 33549
Default  Posted: 10:16 AM, September 26th (Thursday)

What a beautiful description of the steps and feelings of a successful reconciliation and words of hope and inspiration.

Me-BS 51
M 31 yrs.
Dday 3-19-11, TT 10/2011, Full truth July 2013
Strength comes from within. You can't get it from someone or go somewhere to get it. It is already here, waiting to be used when you need it most. Believe in yourself.

Posts: 616 | Registered: Oct 2011
Alex CR
Member # 27968
Default  Posted: 10:17 AM, September 26th (Thursday)

Thanks for posting such a positive story......hoping I can write 'fully R'd' by the time our five year antiversary rolls around next fall.

BS Me 61
WS Him 62
Married 33
Together 40
DD 11/16/09
The future looks good....

Posts: 1723 | Registered: Mar 2010
Member # 40568
Default  Posted: 10:23 AM, September 26th (Thursday)

This is fantastic, tushnurse. Thanks for taking the time to spell all of it out to those of us early in the process.

Me: BW 52
Him: WH 55
Married 8 years
4 20-something his and hers kids

Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9

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Member # 30314
Default  Posted: 10:31 AM, September 26th (Thursday)

great post - have you forgiven him fully? Is that important?

his Dday: 2/10 but TT until 7/11
my Ddays: 1/12, 4/12 broken NC 12/12

me (WW/BS): 48
him: (BS/WH)52
4 kiddos in mid 20's

“Follow your intuition. Be smart, be brave. Tell the truth and don’t take any shit.”

Posts: 5491 | Registered: Dec 2010 | From: Midwest
Member # 40173
Default  Posted: 10:31 AM, September 26th (Thursday)

Thank you for the post. I doubt my WW will get to the placed you describe, but it is a great roadmap for others who might be in a better spot for R to happen.

Me: BH, 39
Her: WW, 40
Together 18 years, married 15+
LTA 3.5 years, ongoing
Dday: 7/28/13
Divorcing, 3 children
"There can be no friendship without confidence, and no confidence without integrity." -S

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Member # 21101
Default  Posted: 10:51 AM, September 26th (Thursday)

rachelc - Yes. I did forgive him. I can say that it wasn't a giant realization, it was met with trumpets, and fanfare.
It happened quietly, and slowly, more of a quiet peace that snuck into my being. I had forgiven him fully in my own mind quite a while before I actually told him. I did on the 2 year antiverrsary. I gave him a card that morning, and told him, I wanted to go to a nice dinner that night. In the card, I wrote out my feelings, and told him that I had forgiven him, and that I know he is no longer that man, and I am thankful for the work he did.

Me forgiving him wasn't a big deal for him, not a hugely spiritual man, I think he felt his gift was given to him, when he knew I could walk away, and gave him that one last chance.

It was for me. He is one Lucky Man.

Him: FWS
Kids: 15 & 17
Married for 22 years now, was 16 at the time. .
D-Day Sept 26 2008
Fully R'd, and Happy Happy Happy

Posts: 8787 | Registered: Oct 2008 | From: St. Louis
Member # 26349
Default  Posted: 11:04 AM, September 26th (Thursday)

This was a great post and one I will show and discuss with the WH.

I am nearing 4 years out but had NC broken not quite 2 years ago which really made it so much worse.

I have been trying to heal from this breach of NC but I don't believe my WH has done the work to truly understand what the breach of NC meant and the harm it has done to me and us. I have repeatedly asked him to read and discuss, but to date not yet. Maybe this posting will help him to see!

ME(BS):47 HIM (WS):50
WS Married 21 yrs together 33
dd#1- nov 16, 2009
DD#2-went out NYE 2009-found out Feb 2012
DD#2-Feb 5, 2010-date they had(found out Feb 2012)
dd#3 - June 16, 2010-broke NC
dd#4-Dec 31, 2010-broke contact
DD#5-Feb 21, 201

Posts: 188 | Registered: Nov 2009
Member # 28377
Default  Posted: 11:48 AM, September 26th (Thursday)

tushnurse...very good post! I feel pretty much the same way at 4-1/2 years out. But the key to your entire post is "You have to have a remorseful WH"..without that, none of the rest is even possible. My H and I feel very lucky that we were able to work through this and have an even better marriage than we've ever had after all we've been through. I know we are the exception rather than the rule, but it really can happen but the TIME element is definitely a huge factor as well.

Me - W - 48
Him - H - 47
Together since we were 14/15
Married 27 yrs in August (renewed our vows in 2011-H's idea!)
DD-23, DS-15
Separated for 7 mos & were 3 wks from divorce when we reconciled
Happily R for almost 4 years

Posts: 1451 | Registered: Apr 2010 | From: MO
Getting to Happy
Member # 35200
Default  Posted: 12:01 PM, September 26th (Thursday)

Thanks for this post Tushnurse.

I am stuck at #5...I think that is the worst part...My accepting that my husband had a fuck buddy for 5 years. Hummm, still can't seem to wrap my brain around 'that guy' and the one in front of me now.

But I am still here. And things going back to the way they used to be. We were always a loving couple, working in tandem.

He wants the process to go faster... but trust has to be earned...and that takes time.

WS him
BS me DD's 26, 25' DS 23
dd1 1-1-10, dd2 Mothers Day 2011, dd3 3-12-12 Hawaii trip with ho-worker...

Never forget what is worth remembering or remember what is best forgotten.

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Default  Posted: 12:06 PM, September 26th (Thursday)

Great post and extremely helpful for those going through R.

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Default  Posted: 1:10 PM, September 26th (Thursday)

What a wonderful Post, thank you for taking the time out to share your these thoughts and guidelines for us newbies. It is very reassuring to read a hopeful post, again Thank You.

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Member # 16652
Default  Posted: 2:17 PM, September 26th (Thursday)

I hope you newbies heed this. Tushnurse is right on the money.

It's not really a fairy tale 'till the witch is deposed and a few dragons are slain

Posts: 1792 | Registered: Oct 2007
Member # 21101
Default  Posted: 3:10 PM, September 26th (Thursday)

I agree you have to have a truly remorseful spouse to have a successful R. How you get there is a challenge for sure.

If you see my response on the "You have to be willing to end the M to save it" thread you will see how I got there.

I do think you have to lay it all on the line, and sometimes you have to show them the door for them to really get it. I certainly did. I also had made up my mind I didn't want to stay in an M without a remorseful spouse, and I knew in my heart if he wasn't remorseful it wasnt worth the pain. I would have ended it.

I am worth more, and every BS on this forum is. NO ONE deserves to be a second choice, a runner up, or treated with anything but the utmost respect, love and understanding, if you aren't getting that from a WS, then it's up to you to change it.
I believe with all my heart that NO ONE NEEDS a partner, or spouse, we can go through this whole big thing all on our own, and be just fine, and be perffectly happy. If you think you NEED someone else for your own happiness that is when you will settle, and tolerate being treated with less respect and love than you deserve.

You have to find happiness within yourself, the rest will come after that. I really do believe this.

Him: FWS
Kids: 15 & 17
Married for 22 years now, was 16 at the time. .
D-Day Sept 26 2008
Fully R'd, and Happy Happy Happy

Posts: 8787 | Registered: Oct 2008 | From: St. Louis
Member # 38958
Default  Posted: 3:56 PM, September 26th (Thursday)

Thank you tushnurse for sharing. I was feeling discouraged and your words have given me some reassurance.

BW (me)42
WH 44
3 daughters, 1 son
Married 10 years, together 13
DDay 3/14/2013, four year PA
In R
"Sometimes you have to accept the fact that certain things will never go back to the way they used to be."

Posts: 392 | Registered: Apr 2013 | From: Canada
Member # 12802
Default  Posted: 4:11 PM, September 26th (Thursday)

From time to time, I do consider that I might be mad. Like any self-respecting lunatic, however, I am always quick to dismiss any doubts about my sanity. DK

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Default  Posted: 4:20 PM, September 26th (Thursday)

Thank you for your post and wisdom!

Entering R slowly and cautiously...

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Member # 40605
Default  Posted: 5:01 PM, September 26th (Thursday)

Thank you for this! I have benefitted from the insight in many of your other posts, and this one is no exception! Thanks for supporting us newbies.

Me: BS, 43
Him: WH, 44
Together 21 years
Married 14 years
Kiddos 2,6,8,10
Dday#1 2004, 3 years after EA/PA co-worker MOW
Dday#2 8-6-13, 13 months EA/9months PA with co-worker MOW - caught not confessed
Rugsweep now, pay later. Ask me how I know.

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Default  Posted: 7:28 AM, January 21st (Tuesday)


Me-BS 51
M 31 yrs.
Dday 3-19-11, TT 10/2011, Full truth July 2013
Strength comes from within. You can't get it from someone or go somewhere to get it. It is already here, waiting to be used when you need it most. Believe in yourself.

Posts: 616 | Registered: Oct 2011
Member # 36622
Default  Posted: 9:17 AM, January 21st (Tuesday)

BS 40
fWS 36 (SurprisinglyOkay)
A whole bunch of shit that got a lot worse before it got better.
"Knowing is half the battle"

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Member # 43041
Default  Posted: 11:34 PM, June 17th (Tuesday)

I know this is an old post, but I stumbled upon it and it really spoke to me! Just wondered if there were others out there who might benefit from this wisdom and experience!

Me: BS 31
WH: 29 (theseseatsRtaken)
DS: getting close to 1
Together 10 years, married 2.
DD1: 8th of Jan 2014
DD2: 10th of Jan 2014
NC: 8th of Jan
In hopeful R!

Posts: 380 | Registered: Apr 2014 | From: Australia
Member # 41837
Default  Posted: 10:09 AM, June 19th (Thursday)

Thank you

Me- BS 44 Always faithfull
Him- WS 44
2 mo. EA/PA with 25 yr. old slut that stroked his ego, online profiles, CL ads
Married 8 years-No kids together
False R many different times fromJan/13 till Dec/13
On the fence.....

Posts: 152 | Registered: Dec 2013 | From: Northern Indiana
Member # 34836
Default  Posted: 1:05 PM, June 19th (Thursday)

Thank you

M 25 years
BW Me - 50's
WH Him - 60's
OW 25 years younger
D-Days too numerous to mention last D-day being 12-2-11 *OW went on fishing trip 5-21-13*

"A relationship is only made for two, but some bitches don't know how to count"

Posts: 355 | Registered: Feb 2012 | From: Colorado
Member # 40144
Default  Posted: 1:22 PM, June 19th (Thursday)

Tushnurse, your insights are always helpful to me and an inspiration...

Today is my 21st wedding anniversary. Certainly a day of mixed feelings. I am so grateful to read some positives here today. Trying to successfully navigate the post-A fallout and struggle through everything that has affected me and my family is the greatest challenge of my life. I am grateful for the veterans of this site who stick around to offer support and wisdom to those of us working our way through this mess. Thank you.

Me: 40s BS, Him: 40s WH
M 21 yrs - 3 teens
LTA = 2+ yrs, Dday = 2/10/13, he moved out, he officially moved back in 1/25/14 and our work continues...

Posts: 737 | Registered: Aug 2013 | From: MidWest
Member # 14660
Default  Posted: 8:47 PM, June 19th (Thursday)

Tush nurse, thank you so much for a wonderful post. You are a hard cookie with no sugar frosting. You say what needs to be said always. And you say it clear and matter of fact, not mean. I thank you for that.

I don't know where you were a couple of years ago when I started posting, but I must say I respect your posts and take them to heart.

Thank you for the time you spend on this site.

Me: BS-55
Him: WS-55
Married: 35 years
DD 36, DD 26, DS 22, DD 19
You can't start the next chapter of your life if you keep re-reading the last one.

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