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Undefinabl3
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Default  Posted: 2:36 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

A little bit of back story - I grew up on the backs of horses and ponies by way of wonderful neighbors, great friends, awesome lessons, and wonderful camps. There wasnt a long time between horse rides until I hit high school.

As it is now, I haven't really ridden since college - and that was 7 years ago.

My besties on the other hand - all have their own and i am the loner that does not.

We have a family farm that has an empty barn that they are not going to fill any time in the forseeable future and there's around 70 acres that are open for pastures. We will not be paying for rent, electric, or water - only for winter hay and feed. (and vet, ferrier and tack)....

I WANT these horses so bad it hurts....but i am freaking out just 'what do you mean we could actually get horses....a dream of mine'

I am making what seem to be valid arguments - do we really have the time (basically, with pasture board and not showing them, yes we do), do we have the money (with all the things that we have cleared up this last year, yes we actually do), what about the kids (DD will not get off the horses, DS is petrified).....i just find that I am trying to find a reason not to get them.

DH used to own and train horses back in his youth (with a rich ex-fiance so he's actually knows the cost and care and stuff) while I have only ever helped out with cleaning, grooming and riding....

So, I guess I need a little 2x4 to say 'this is your dream, why not'

Or

WTF are you thinking woman LOL


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Default  Posted: 3:49 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Go for it!


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Default  Posted: 3:53 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Giddy up!


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Default  Posted: 3:53 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

You know the drill, you have the money. Seems like a Go For It! To me.
If you did not know the drill or understand the costs, totally different answer.


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Default  Posted: 4:00 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I have some type of responsibility phobia, lol! I will take care of me, my kids, and the house, but that's it!! Every summer I dream of getting a pool and every winter I want a hot tub. Too much extra work, not going to happen. Maybe when I'm older and the kids drop off my list...


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Default  Posted: 4:17 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I just went through this thought process for a dog. I understand it's an entirely different set of responsibilities but the basic idea is the same. I had to make a list, and fill out how we could take care of a dog financially, vet care, how they would fit into the family, plans for exercise, where they would sleep, etc etc. So there I am filling out this list and writing about our fully fenced backyard, and my schedule that will have much more time soon, and the big park across the street. I listed the dog park within walking distance, the family cottage with my siblings and all their dogs, the family farm etc and ...
OMG we're FINALLY completely ready!!!!

It really took writing it all out and I still wanted to say no because for so long we weren't ready. I almost couldn't believe it.
That's what I am hearing from you. The hesitation is normal and I am still saying "Did I really just decide to do this?" but in your gut you know when it's time and it sounds like you are ready!!



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Default  Posted: 6:51 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

So, I guess I need a little 2x4 to say 'this is your dream, why not'

Or

WTF are you thinking woman


How about:
WTF are you thinking woman this is your dream, why not


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Default  Posted: 9:09 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Life long horse owner here. I say . . . Go for it! BUT, take your time and be very very picky when choosing your horses. I recommend trialing any candidates for at least a week, preferably on your property. Also, get them fully vetted. Maybe you could free lease first before you fully commit to horse ownership. I honestly can't imagine life without my horses.

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Default  Posted: 7:54 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

One of our friends rescues horses as her job basically and she said that if the right one comes through, we will get it for free.

She also has a free leaser that she is trying to get out so that she has more room for rescues.

Personally i want to be VERY picky and have told her what it would take, i have no issue with bulking up a skinny horse, or working on slight abuse issues, but I really dont want something that is going to take so much time that I am not with my family.

Her free share is fully broke fun loving and sweet, so its totally and option.

The barn is not ready for horses, its an old cattle barn open to 2 acres already fenced in, natural creek and shelter.

I swear to god ya'll the only way the stars could aline anymore is if we got wind of a fixer upper 2 horse trailer for like 100 bucks and some tack that just needed some deep cleaning for cheap.

All my horse friends are like jumping up and down. They are already planning trail weekends next spring, some down here, some up by them.

I told DH that spring looked like the best time to finally get the horses - with the barn needing stalls and some work, and the fact that we have nothing (no tack, no buckets, no ferrier, no vet, nothing) that we need to build up our stuff before we go getting a horse and having to make 1000 runs to Tractor Supply.


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Default  Posted: 8:21 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

Dear Unde,

You only get one chance at life. This is your dream and from what you've told us, the Universe is desperately showing you what it wants for you.

I learned the hard way that if you don't listen to the Universe....it bangs your head into a wall until you DO listen.

Get the horse. Hell...get two, one for you and one for DD and make tons of good memories.

k9


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Default  Posted: 8:26 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

Do you live on this farm? I may be reading it wrong, but it looks to me like someone else in the family lives there? Will they be willing/capable of dealing with any type of emergencies? I know you would care for the horses, but if you weren't on site is there someone there who would be watching for say a coyote running the fence lines and scaring the horses or dealing with a horse that with colic if they can't reach you?

Will you have someone that can take care of the horses if you take a vacation? Sounds like yes with so many "horse friends".

I have been longing for horses of my own for a long time, too. We take lessons and trail ride and all that good stuff - but I worry about dealing with emergencies and not being able to leave the house so if we were it would be a full board type situation, which we can't afford, so I have to continue to long.

So if you really can do it - go for it!!!!


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Default  Posted: 8:54 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

Ignore the neigh-sayers!!


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Default  Posted: 10:46 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

Ignore the neigh-sayers!!

LOL...that's a good one.

Dazed - We have a family Dairy, we dont live on the farm, but its about 10 miles from where we currenly live. 3 miles from my mom and Dad's house, so close.

During the day there is usually many people in and out of the dairy. My great uncle owns the dairy and lives on the farm, and my Cousin does all the work now.

The short answer is Yes, there is someone there to call us....the longer answer is - it may be hard to get someone to actually get physical with the horses (we plan on getting two so that DH and I can trail ride and stuff).

They would be mostly pasture board, with stalls for any vet/ferrier/really bad weather/lame issues - also if any of my friends come down and the horses dont exactly get along they can stay stalled or ours could stay stalled, whatever.

Our cost is lower i think then most. We will no be paying 'rent' and the water is welled, and the electric is tied into the farm so...yeah.

They will pasture, so for spring, summer, and fall they will graze and get some sweet feed if needed. We have around 100 acres of hay and some rented crop - so hay is also not an issue at all for the winter. We plan on paying for round bales that we may need.

Also, there's going to be an over stock of Alfalfa this year over last year (the drought KILLED us) and we have already stacked 2000 bales (thats all we got last year alone) with at least another 3 cuts out of each field left.

The vet bills scare the shit out of me, and we have a ferrier friend so we may get a discount, depending...

why am i so scared??


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Default  Posted: 11:23 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

Keep in mind that a thin horse's personality could change when you put some weight on him. And a $500 horse costs the same as a $50,000 horse in terms of feed, farrier, vet bills, and time commitment. It sounds like you have a good support system. Get the right horses and you will have a ball. Anything else could end up as very disappointing lawn ornaments.

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Default  Posted: 11:38 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

Ditto happenedtome.

You are scared because horses are perhaps the most high maintenance of any animal you can have, and you need to find the right one to suit your riding abilities and intended use.

It sounds as if you're somewhat experienced so I won't get into all the negatives... but if you're planning on keeping them on another person's property who is not familiar with horses, be aware you are going to need to be at the barn daily and will need to find a horsesitter when you go away. It sounds as if you have lots of horsey friends, so that's good!

I will also say that not only are horses one of the fastest ways to the poor house, but equestrian sports are statistically one of the most dangerous. Please take the time to think what you might do if you have an accident, and make sure you have disability insurance if you are a significant source of income for your family.

I'm a lifelong rider and horse owner, so I know of what I speak!!

With that, have at it!! Nothing like being on the back of a horse!

[This message edited by hill at 12:03 PM, July 10th (Wednesday)]


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Default  Posted: 11:46 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

I wish you luck, and am going to impart all of my horse related wisdom to you.

1) Horse like carrots and will eat them out of your hand.

2) Do not stand between a horse and the electric fence while scratching the horses side.


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Default  Posted: 7:28 AM, July 11th (Thursday)

Oh, i know all about accidents and injuries...I was double barreled by a yearling thoroughbred and she cracked my pelvis and almost broke my femur...fun times man i tell ya.

my cousin would more the likely warm up to the horses, but my great uncle not so much, it is what it is.

Thanks for everything guys....you are the best


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Default  Posted: 9:27 AM, July 11th (Thursday)

Life long horse owner here. I say . . . Go for it! BUT, take your time and be very very picky when choosing your horses. I recommend trialing any candidates for at least a week, preferably on your property. Also, get them fully vetted. Maybe you could free lease first before you fully commit to horse ownership.

THIS!!!!!! ^^^^^^

I have owned many horses and still have one. This is the BEST ADVICE you will get. Remember, a person who is a RESCUER's primary motivation is to place horses in homes. They have a pull to do this so they can rescue another horse. Many of these horses are rescues for a reason. Their temperaments change once they are fed and fit. You could find yourself in a dangerous and expensive mistake and regret having horses at all when it could be a wonderful experience. You have kids and one who is petrified of horses? I would really NOT recommend anything but completely kid safe horses that come with a history you know from someone you trust.

(I love rescues, but they are best with people who already have lots of experience with horses.)

Enjoy!


ETA: If you do a search for "Chronicle of the Horse" there is a website for a big equine magazine. Then go to their "forums" link. They have a "giveaways" section where people post all kinds of free horse stuff. Tack, blankets, gear, everything you can think of. Plus, it is where you can find free horses being retired from show careers looking for homes either to be given away or on free leases. These people are usually very honest about the horses' suitability for trail riding, pasture living, beginners, etc. Also, equine.com is a good site.

[This message edited by Spirit13 at 9:36 AM, July 11th (Thursday)]


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Default  Posted: 9:57 AM, July 11th (Thursday)

Totally agree that as long as you pick the right horses for your needs, it sounds like you both know what you're doing. The ONLY thing I would worry about is possible vet fees with problems and issues... so many things can happen. BUT - pick the right horses, and you'll be fine.

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Default  Posted: 11:49 AM, July 11th (Thursday)

Right now one of my friends has a Free Lease (though i am not 100% on what that means exactly) that is fully trial trained, but english i think...not a problem for me, but DH is all western.

DH wants to get one like tomorrow, but I am sticking to my guns about making sure its a good fit for me and the horse.

Seriously, you guys have been amazing


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hill
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Default  Posted: 12:34 PM, July 11th (Thursday)

A free lease USUALLY just means you don't pay a monthly lease fee, but you are responsible for expenses (so at a boarding barn, you'd have to pay board, for example). Sometimes owners will pick up certain vet bills- all depends on the arrangement.

It's actually a great way to trial a horse, either before buying a particular horse (if the horse available for lease is also available for sale) or at the very least making sure you can handle the financial commitment.


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Default  Posted: 7:06 AM, July 12th (Friday)

We have made plans to go trail ride one day soon up where the horse is. Found out some new info as well.

So the good thing is that he's a very sound horse, he loves to trail ride, doesnt get barn sour, leads, follows, whatever. He loves to play in water/swim. He currently is not a stable horse. He is not a fan of confined space (but a trailer is ok, go figure), which is actually a pro. Could mean we dont have to dorp 700 bucks to build stalls in the barn. He's never had shoes, so only 6 to 8 week trimming as needed. (and DH trimmed his own horses so he could probably do this after a few runs with the ferrier there.)

But...

He's been abused and has a hard time with males. He takes a saddle fine, but there is scar tissue where the cinch rubs and so he gets pretty persnickity when you try to ride him with a saddle right now (though she says this will not be a long term issue and yes, they actually trail ride him bearback all the time right now). He needs more work, more training but for the most party he is pretty broke.

So as we see it now....

Board - free
Food - free to cheap (he's a grazer with only alf and sweet in the winter months)
Horse itself - free
Utilities at barn - Free

Tack - need help with that, working on donations/consignment shops in the area
Vet - will be getting farm vets phone number on saturday to chat about horse care
Ferrier - talking to horse buddies down here about theirs, and if farm vet doesnt work, who they have as well.

I still think i am more then crazy, but really - you can't beat the deal we are getting. The free lease is amazing for me because if it really doesnt work out, no harm no foul.


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Default  Posted: 12:31 PM, July 12th (Friday)

Life long horse owner here.

It sounds like you have thought this through. But I am going to give you more to think about.

FREE board is great this may or may not work out. Things change. Farms sell. People die. There are droughts. In either event, don't count on this for the long haul. Horses can live for a LONG time.

I have a horse right now who is 37 years old. Now, let's say 25 years ago if someone pointed to all of my horses and asked "which horse do you think will still be with you in 25 years?" He would have been the LAST one I would have pointed to. He was the oldest at the time. The one who had been the most beaten up. The one who had the most poor health, the most vet bills, the hardest to feed, the one who got hurt the most, the worst feet, you name it, he had the problem.

The most healthy, with the least problems and the youngest have been long dead. Sudden death by aortic rupture. Go figure.

As for choosing a horse. I have almost 50 years of experience raising, breeding, riding and showing. And I STILL take a professional trainer with me when I am buying a horse. Why? Because she knows what I am looking for withOUT the emotion. And she can see through the bullshit. There are SO MANY HORSES out there. Don't settle for a horse that is almost this or almost that and only needs a little of this or that. WAIT and get exactly what you want. It's out there. Believe me.

I have GIVEN AWAY horses that only 5 years ago would have fetched $10,000 or better. So, wait it out. Don't settle for someone else's problem horse who may hurt you.

I had free board too. Big fight in the family. If I was getting something, everyone else should too. Blah, blah. Guess who got the boot? Me.

The other thing to consider is pasture. Even though you plan on pasturing your horses, not ALL horses can tolerate fresh pasture 24/7. They require a rotation schedule or they will founder. I have three horses who can only tolerate 2-3 hours a day in the spring on pasture. After it dries a little, they are ok. But that early lush pasture is a big no-no.

And hay. This year it's a feast. There is hay everywhere. But the last few years hay was scarce and was selling at a premium. Decent, not good horse grade alfalfa was selling for $12.00-14.00 a small square bale. And much of that you had to throw away because of mold. You couldn't get the premium horse quality alfalfa because it just wasn't available.

With all of that being said, and I were you....I would do it in a minute. My horses are my life-blood and can't imagine life without them.

Since my days of free board with family, etc. we now have our own place. It's nice not to have to ask permission about every little thing before you move a gate or a piece baling wire.

And if I were in my 30's again? I wouldn't even think twice!!

For tack and other accessories, go on Craigslist. There is a horse person selling out every day. There are unbelievable bargains on there all the time. I have seen good as new stalls being sold for less than 1/2 price. You go tear them down. You're young! Go for it!

[This message edited by sadtoo at 12:37 PM, July 12th (Friday)]


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Default  Posted: 12:57 PM, July 12th (Friday)

FREE board is great this may or may not work out. Things change. Farms sell. People die. There are droughts. In either event, don't count on this for the long haul. Horses can live for a LONG time.

Its a family dairy farm, so unless we really blow it, I am actually the 4th in line to inherit the whole shebang after my cousin (who currently runs the dairy) and my step father who would run the dairy if anything happened, or he can send it my way right away after my cousin is done/dies.

As for choosing a horse. I have almost 50 years of experience raising, breeding, riding and showing. And I STILL take a professional trainer with me when I am buying a horse. Why? Because she knows what I am looking for withOUT the emotion. And she can see through the bullshit. There are SO MANY HORSES out there. Don't settle for a horse that is almost this or almost that and only needs a little of this or that. WAIT and get exactly what you want. It's out there. Believe me.

Oh no, i already told DH that unless this horse works for us, then its not happening. We have plans to go up in the next few weekends to trail ride the horse and spend alot of time with him so see his temperment and such.

He is currently owned by a proffessional trainer and rider. She events, dressage, and westerns. She also specializes in rehabilitating abused horses. My other friend graduated with 3 equine degrees and an associate in 3 years and has owned and trained her own horses since she was in high school. K knows me and my abilities and she thinks that we match well in our abilities, it would be personality where it would be the kicker.

The other thing to consider is pasture. Even though you plan on pasturing your horses, not ALL horses can tolerate fresh pasture 24/7.

He's been on full pature with only a little shelter for about 5 years now. She doesnt have a field rotation, only as him out with others on her 6ish acres.

We currently have 2 acres attached to the barn we would use, another 12 acres or so across the road, then another 50 acres (give or take) that the cows are turned out on every night that could easily be reduced via fencing if needed.

We also have 100 acres of crop/alfalfa fields where we get our own, and we can use alf if we need to during the winter. We already have a surplus as it is and we have another 2 or 3 cuts out of each field to go.

....I would do it in a minute.

And this is what i am getting from everyone and it seems like a huge relief. Even my mom make a funky face and then just shruged and said "at least you can give him back if it doesnt work out"

Part of me is scared off my ass, the other part is so excited i could scream...

is that a good thing?


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Default  Posted: 10:57 AM, July 29th (Monday)

Drum roll please!!!!

Meet Reggie (and me)

And Flash (the paint)

We have work to do, they arrive on Saturday and i am just stupid excited about it.

First order of business is the pecking order. We are not even going to be riding for the next month i would think until they get crap figured out between the two of them.

Flash is a baby sitter, and Reggie seems to be on the docile side, so my best guess is that Flash will be the man in charge.

We are also working on a new name for Flash, cause ever time i hear it i get the Flash Gordan theme song stuck in my head....

FLASH....AH AH...Savior of the Universe!

http://youtu.be/cyIIYerdlUA just incase you need it stuck in your head too lol


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