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Default  Posted: 9:22 PM, July 8th (Monday)

There are roaches that live in a drain about 2 feet from my front door. Occasionally, one will crawl under the door (about a one inch crack) into my house.

I'm talking two inch long, dark red, with wings, cockroaches. These things won't die.

One got in tonight and my houseguest and I spent half a bottle of raid on it before it scampered into one of my boots. I grabbed the vacuum, got it out with the hose, but even then, we let it spin in the canister for like 10 minutes and it was still trying to fly around (no room to open it's wings) when I turned the vacuum off. We ended up flushing it (and the rest of the contents off vacuum, which was fortunately emptied fairly recently).

They don't love in the house. I always find them near the front door. I use raid and they are generally dead when I find them. But is there a way to keep them out? Or to kill them in the drain?


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Default  Posted: 9:41 PM, July 8th (Monday)

I'm quite familiar with the pests...

Spectracide Bug Stop - available at Target, Lowes, Home Depot - is awesome. I spray it around the baseboards and door openings every three months... no Palmetto bugs! I spray along the bottom of the garage door also... and all the windows.

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Default  Posted: 9:49 PM, July 8th (Monday)

forget the bug spray. just beat the shit out of it with a shoe.


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Default  Posted: 9:51 PM, July 8th (Monday)

Inconnu... can I assume they grow'em as big in TX as they do in FL?

These damn things will pick up the shoe and beat you back.


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Default  Posted: 9:55 PM, July 8th (Monday)

they get big, and some fly. luckily for me, my boys have big feet. you don't think I'd use my shoes, now do you?


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Default  Posted: 9:57 PM, July 8th (Monday)

I have the same problem...thanks for the tip, jrc!

My sitter just told me that you shouldn't beat the shit out of them with a shoe because if it's female and carrying eggs, the shoes can track the eggs around the house and grow more bugs. Is that true? *shudder*


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Default  Posted: 9:59 PM, July 8th (Monday)

**shudder**


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Default  Posted: 10:05 PM, July 8th (Monday)

you don't think I'd use my shoes, now do you?

Oh heavens NO!!!


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Default  Posted: 10:06 PM, July 8th (Monday)

I've never had that problem, wb, at least not with the big-ass tree roaches.


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Default  Posted: 10:07 PM, July 8th (Monday)

My sitter just told me that you shouldn't beat the shit out of them with a shoe because if it's female and carrying eggs, the shoes can track the eggs around the house and grow more bugs. Is that true? *shudder*

Yes! If you squash one, I'd highly recommend cleaning that spot up with bleach after you dispose of the carcass. Also... if you kill one with bug spray and brown stuff squirts out it's just pooped itself dying... Oh the joys of living in tropical climates.


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Default  Posted: 10:18 PM, July 8th (Monday)

Ew! Ew! Ew!


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Default  Posted: 10:26 PM, July 8th (Monday)

just beat the shit out of it with a shoe.

Try to kill it with the first hit because those bitches fight back if you don't


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Default  Posted: 10:28 PM, July 8th (Monday)

^^^^ Yep


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Default  Posted: 10:42 PM, July 8th (Monday)

I tried this in an old apartment I lived in. It worked:

http://tipnut.com/how-to-get-rid-of-cockroaches-roach-ball-recipe/


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Default  Posted: 10:47 PM, July 8th (Monday)

Blugh! I'll take my dollar sized Wolf Spiders over huge roaches any day


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Default  Posted: 11:09 PM, July 8th (Monday)

I had one in the shower with me on Sunday night. I sprayed the shit out of it with nontoxic window cleaner--no noxious chemicals for me, but it makes killing bugs a little tough...

Then I doused it with shampoo, scooped it up and flushed it. Urgh.


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Default  Posted: 11:17 PM, July 8th (Monday)

I had one in the shower with me on Sunday night.
GAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!


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Default  Posted: 11:18 PM, July 8th (Monday)

When I was in Taiwan those huge flying ones are everywhere. You know what most people had? Rubber band guns made out of chop sticks. Somehow that would kill them! But then you'd still have to get rid of the bodies somehow. Million dollar idea!!! Bug spray that vaporizes them so nothing is left. I guess a blow torch would work but I could picture it now. I try to set a bug on fire and it burns down my house.


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Default  Posted: 11:38 PM, July 8th (Monday)

I guess a blow torch would work but I could picture it now. I try to set a bug on fire and it burns down my house.

When I was a kid, my cousin and I liked to explore the drainage culverts near our houses and look at the graffiti. We would always bring along a can of WD-40 and a lighter to toast insects. Cockroaches don't vaporize very well. Their shells don't burn, although a blowtorch might work better than some WD-40.


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Default  Posted: 12:39 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

NO NO NO NO NO NO!!! Sorry I have a real bad big roach phobia. One crawled up my leg when I was 7 years old in the shower and apparently I ran screaming around the house naked covered in soap as my mom tried to catch me. One flew and almost landed in my hair in Puerto Rico when I was a kid too. I remember my AC made a pzzzt sound a few years ago and when I walked into the room I found half of a dead one....*shudder*

We use Raid Max Strength. The smell is nauseating but it kills them with one spray. We also line the areas the puppy can't access with the gel. *shudder*


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Default  Posted: 2:19 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I see and kill so many more roaches where I live now (VA) than when I lived in Asia. What gives? Thankfully my dogs like to hunt them and know exactly what to look for when they hear me shriek.

Question for you cockroach experts: WHY did a cockroach that I smashed have BRIGHT green and totally stinky guts that splattered everywhere? All other killings involved normal guts.


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Default  Posted: 7:17 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Growing up in southern climates we dealt with them constantly, it was an ongoing war. They are the only thing that truly gross me out and I can't stand even killing them (the crunch factor makes my skin crawl). I think I was traumatized as a child - falling on me while sleeping, putting shoes on and having one crawling on my toes, having one crawl up the inside of my pant leg while driving (to which I can thank my brother for setting off a roach bomb in his garage while my car was in it thus driving them unknowingly into my car for survival). Memories I wish I didn't have, but have scarred me for life!!

My dad became a licensed exterminator for the sole purpose of being able to use commercial grade pesticides (they owned a hotel) for our war on these vile creatures. One thing you have to do is rotate the poison about every other month. They will build up immunity to them over time otherwise.

Give me spiders, snakes, or even man-eating bears over nasty roaches any day! Maybe that's why I subconsciously migrated north...


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Default  Posted: 7:28 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

having one crawl up the inside of my pant leg

I've had this happen too, but it also started biting my leg. I wasn't in a place where I could just take my pants off, so I was jumping around trying to get it to fall out. I think people thought I was having a seizure.


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Default  Posted: 7:50 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

so I was jumping around trying to get it to fall out

LOL! That was me too! I was driving and had my hand pressed against my pants at the knee to keep it from crawling any higher, freaking out the whole time, until I came to a fast food restaurant. Pulled as far into the back as possible, came to a screeching halt, jumped out of my car and started doing the convulsion dance to get it out. Finally popped out, but I was still convulsing from being so utterly grossed out!  

I wouldn't get back into my car until I inspected it. I am sure my antics gave more than a few people some stories to tell that day. Went to my brother's and bitched him out for the torment he created (this was long before cell phones). What did he say? Nothing, just laughed his ass off!


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Default  Posted: 8:02 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I'm suddenly rethinking my move to Florida.

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Default  Posted: 8:15 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Had a bad roach problem when we lived in military base housing. They would come spray once a month, but it never got rid of them. What did work was Borax. It's boric acid and kills them from the inside. They crawl on it, then lick it off when the clean themselves. You can't stomp on the roach though, because they have to get back to the nest to infect their roommates. You can find borax in the laundry aisle. Took us about two weeks, but didn't see them again. Good luck!


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Default  Posted: 8:26 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Okay, I appreciate all of the sympathy

This is the first time in months I've seen a live roach in the house. I use some pretty hard core Raid (Bug Barrier) and spray around the doors, baseboards, etc. and they are generally dead when I find them. I just vacuum up the carcasses.

I'd like to prevent them from coming in at all though. The Raid I use has this big warning not to use it near outdoor drains if you expect rain... something about killing fish? So I have avoided that, although, believe me, the temptation to just pour half a bottle down the sewer drain next to the door is tempting.

Can I put borax in/around the outside drain? Or is that toxic to the ecosystem too?


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Default  Posted: 8:26 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

What Mandi said. Take is and make a perimiter of it around the area, or around your whole home for that matter, and that should help eliminate them. If they are the longish red ones, they tend to like dead moist wood. (wood roaches) I would see if there is anything there that is attracting them, like a block of wood under the drain spout etc. If there is and you can't remove it, paint it wil KILZ, and the regular paint. They wont' like it anymore and find a new home.

With being a beekeeper, I really try to avoid chemicals as much as possible, because it just makes the pests stronger, it's like us using antibiotics. Anyway, The only thing that I have a big problem with is spiders, they love to hang out on my porches, and sometimes make it into the house. As long as they aren't recluses, or widows I leave them be, since they too eat lots of bugs.

Anyway That is my thought on the way for you to limit those icky creatures Ama - good luck.


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Default  Posted: 8:49 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

It should be fine in the drain. You can wash dishes and clothes with it. It has lots of uses! I actually use it to make my own laundry detergent. I sprinkle it in the bottom of the trash cans, in the yard, around the baseboards, on mattresses. It's "nontoxic" but you don't want to eat it, lol.


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Default  Posted: 11:04 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

You've just reminded me why I like Northern climes.

TCD, I wish you hadn't mentioned Taiwan. The only primal scream I've uttered as an adult was when I was hit by a flying roach the size of a Piper cub. In our bedroom.


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Default  Posted: 12:38 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Is borax toxic to those little lizards that are so prolific in Florida? Because I save and protect my little lizard friends.

They eat bugs too....


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Default  Posted: 3:54 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I love the little lizards! Going to Florida in two weeks and get to see them! From what I recall, it has a toxicity level of table salt, so in large enough quantity, it can be bad. I don't think lizards would really eat it, but if they lick themselves clean, it can enter their system. I think it gets roaches and ants because of their exoskeletal system.


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Default  Posted: 8:48 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I am shuddering just reading about those damn roaches. I will NEVER forget when one of those damn flying palmetto bugs came in the car window and got stuck in my hair and just about gave me heart failure. Thankfully, it was in my driveway right after pulling in so I didn't kill myself or anyone else but I sure gave the neighbors a show. eeeewwwww!


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Default  Posted: 9:45 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I'm chiming in with baking soda.

I have a real aversion to bug spray, long story that involved being poisoned as a kid.

Apparently, and this came from an exterminator in FL, they love baking soda, but baking soda doesn't love them, they eat it up and then they blow up on the inside and die.

DD21 was 3 when we moved to FL. We were moving in to the new house, we had been there maybe 2 hours, potty chair was in the bathroom, DD needed to potty, we take the lid off after she does her business and lo and behold, there was a Palmetto bug as big as my thumb.

DS, DD and I start screaming and run out of the house. WS thinks we have lost our minds, we are screaming about the rather large bug we just encountered, of course we are crazy, no bug can be that huge, we all go back into the bathroom, WS takes the lid of the potty off, sees the bug and puts the lid back on after seeing for himself how big this sucker was. We devised a plan, Mr. Bug went for a swim and I was ready to leave FL that afternoon


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Default  Posted: 10:00 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I lived in FL for a year. And then my inner sissy kicked in and I moved back to where everything freezes every now and then, keeping bugs to manageable sizes.


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Default  Posted: 10:14 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

When my grandma lived in Texas she swore by kerosene. She used it as a border around the house to keep the roaches from coming in. Kerosene is flammable but not like gasoline.


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Default  Posted: 12:51 PM, July 10th (Wednesday)

OMG--Texas roaches. We used to get one or two now and then, coming in after a rain. I swear to God, you could hear them clomping up a wall. Those mofos were as big as dinosaurs.

Raid? Nah. Shoe.

ETA: Also, if there is a gap under your door, get some weatherstripping. It'll save you on your heating/cooling bills, and keep critters out.

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Default  Posted: 1:00 PM, July 10th (Wednesday)

Those mofos were as big as dinosaurs.

And they can fly at you and chase you. I saw one chase my grandma around the backyard one time.


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Default  Posted: 1:04 PM, July 10th (Wednesday)

Hmm... a little snow now and then, or FLYING ROACHES CHASING GRANDMA AROUND THE YARD???

I'll be up here with my parka and ice scraper, thankyouverymuch.


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Default  Posted: 1:53 PM, July 10th (Wednesday)

a little snow


Now THAT is a scary thought. I've driven in an 1/8th of an inch of snow before, slid across a parking lot and I was terrified.


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Default  Posted: 2:52 PM, July 10th (Wednesday)

Then I doused it with shampoo, scooped it up and flushed it. Urgh.

Wait - you didn't rinse and repeat???

Ama - these may not be cockroaches, there are other types. If you'd like to set up a non-toxic bug barrier you can use diatomaceous earth, but you'll have to replace it frequently.


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Default  Posted: 3:09 PM, July 10th (Wednesday)

I grew up and lived in areas with deep snow... Driving was no picnic but it wasn't panic inducing.

I've lived in tropical climates with big bugs now for practically 1/2 my life. I'll take the bugs over the snow.


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Default  Posted: 3:19 PM, July 10th (Wednesday)

you didn't rinse and repeat???

I rinsed EVERYTHING--repeatedly


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