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User Topic: Porn...chat rooms...dating sites & marriage
Serenestorm
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Helpless  Posted: 2:28 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

First I have to admit that I went onto my H's tablet, which has a lock and reviewed his history. Twice in the past, I've found things that upset me and confronted him. There was hardcore porn and sites where the girls were live and could chat with the viewers while they watched them do what they do.

He and family closest to me said that it was just porn. He wasn't cheating. We have kids and bills and have invested nearly half of our lives together. In other words, stop being nosey. A man is going to be a man.

Fast forward about a year. Something didn't feel right. Intuition, I suppose, lead me to view his history again on his tablet. This was about a week ago. I found porn, of course, but what really upset me was that he had created a profile on an online dating site. Upon further investigation, I discovered that he didn't go through with activating the account that he created. But, what was really upsetting is the fact that the site asks why you would like to join. To chat, start a relationship, etc. His answer on his profile was that he was seeking a discreet affair.

We had a huge blow up. I left the house. Got into the car and drove for miles. Reached out to those closest to me and got the same response as in the past. It's just porn... Do you have proof that he actually cheated? NO? Then what is the problem? I'm so confused, hurt and angry right now. I give my all to our family and try to satisfy my H in every way, but I feel that I'm living in fear not love with him because I'm afraid that if I don't perform intimately up to par because I'm tired from housework or taking care of our kids that he'll stray. Is what he doing okay for a Married man? Or am I the problem? Serene


Posts: 4 | Registered: Nov 2013 | From: SeekingPEACE
Laura28
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Default  Posted: 2:55 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

A man is going to be a man.

Bullshit!!!

What a load of absolute crap.

I am ashamed to admit that before I found out I often was one of those who didn't understand. I felt sorry for BWs but deep down wondered what they had done to cause the WH to cheat.

Until it happens to you, you just don't get it. Forget talking to others who haven't experienced it. They don't get it and can't help you.

So - what to do? Firstly. Forget what others say. They don't know. Don't talk to them. They will give you bad advice. Come here. To seek the counsel of those who know.

As for your WH he is a selfish deluded prick. He is in fantasy land.

The BEST thing you can do at this moment is kick him out.

Tell him that if his whores and his sexual fantasies matter more to him than his wife and children that he should leave. That you live in the real world. That you want a partner who is always there for you and that you offer the same to him. Tell him that you want a real husband who will be there through the highs and lows. A man. Someone honest. Someone with integrity. Not a little boy who is led around by his dick.

I know that sounds harsh but he has to choose. He has to choose you. And you have to draw a line in the sand.

On dday I told my FWH he could go to his whores. I said "They can have you. I don't want the man you are now. You are nothing to me."

I phoned OW3 and said "He is all yours. He has been f...ing you me and OW2 all at the same time. You're welcome to him".

There is a saying here on SI "You have to be willing to lose your marriage to save it".

If you kick him out he may never come back. He may go off and screw God knows how many others.

My questions to you:

"If this is the type of man he is, do you really want to keep him?"

"Do you want to live the rest of your life with a man who puts his own selfish desires before his family?"

Finally. No matter what anyone ever says nothing he did is your fault. Nothing. There is NEVER an excuse for cheating. He had so many other options and the cowards way out is to go behind your back. If life was so bad with you he could have told you. If life was so bad with you he could have left you. He could have divorced you. Instead he chose the coward's way out. Sneaking around behind your back.

Take care. Stay strong.

Laura


Married 32yrs Me BW 57Yrs Him FWH 60yrs
OWzero 1988 EA?/PA? Gaslighted.
Dday May 28 2010.
OW1 1994(6mths PA, EA 16+ years).
OW2 2002(8yrs PA).
OW3 2009(1Yr PA).
Others???? Status: Not Divorcing..but.."You can't unfuck the goat"

Posts: 2754 | Registered: Jul 2010 | From: Australia
Ostrich80
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Default  Posted: 4:07 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I have viewed my ws history and have found the same thing. I don't think its normal, I don't think its a man thing. I think.its disrespectful, hurtful, and if not full blown cheating, wanting to. I don't know if my ws has gone as far as hooking up but just the fact that he's looking at those sites is enough. It makes me feel inadequate and straight up pissed off. It sucks.


BS..me
WS..him
Been with him over half my life
4kid
DD1 10-01-09 DD2 02-12-12 discovered it never ended
OW..nothing special. Just your average skank
Status..#$%@????

Posts: 5172 | Registered: Feb 2012 | From: midwest
vivere
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Default  Posted: 4:35 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Is what he doing okay for a Married man?

No! Sadly we are told that it is 'normal' for a man to view porn. I don't believe this to be true and nowadays porn isn't limited to a magazine or DVD, it's live and 'interactive'. Worse yet you had told you husband previously that his viewing habit upset you and he STILL participated, disregarding your feelings. So no, it's not okay.

.. he had created a profile on an online dating site.

Last I heard married men did not seek out girlfriends. Even if he didn't activate his profile, the setting up of it is absolutely not okay. How would he feel if the situation was reversed?

You are not 'the' problem. I hope you have discovered your H at the tip of a slippery slope. Read from the library (links at the top left of the website), continue to read and post on the forums. I think you and your H need to discuss acceptable boundaries within your marriage.

Good luck Serene.


You are responsible for your own happiness :)

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blakesteele
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Default  Posted: 4:48 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

This is a lie both my wife and I believed pre-A....that porn is normal, that all men do it, that it does not damage as long as it is not a secret and as long as regular marital sex is taking place.

I engaged in the use of porn...have since puberty. I thought it normal for decades.

This past year I have done a 180 on it.

A book that clearly and absolutely changed my life was Every Mans Battle by Steve Arterburn. If your husband is seeking help from this damaging cycle you might suggest he get it and read it.

DONT get it for him. This, like all sin, needs to be addressed by the one committing the sin.

The very first step is admitting it IS sin.

I could write a lot more on this...but I will leave you with this.

I have led a porn-free life for not quite a year....and I feel so very different. It is as if I can breath again, feel whole again....this is why I know it is sin.

In addition to this good feeling, I am left with a deep sadness of how foolish I was for decades. How could I have been so blind for so long. Even when I decided it was sin, that it was damaging me an all of my relationships, my wife was not as quick to denounce it. Granted, at the time my wife was still in AP withdrawal...so she really didn't care much about my journey....but our pre-A marriage had us both viewing porn.


While not adultery in the classic definition, it hurts intimacy severely....I own that now. I am sorry every day for the damage I did to my M, to my wife by my use of porn.

I know you spoke of online dating services....and that I just responded to the porn aspect....but I can only speak out from personal experience from the porn aspect of your post.

I have a real concern about the children of today. Back when I got into porn I had to sneak into dads chest in his closet to view it....then I had to feel like a criminal to buy some at a book store......now it is free and can be accessed with cheap mobile devices. I have puberty aged nephews and worry how much quicker they will be fed this terrible habit. I have daughters and worry about them as well....seems to be more of a boy issue than a girl issue...but my girls will date boys who have this easy access to porn. How can it not warp them like it did me?

God help us all.

[This message edited by blakesteele at 4:50 AM, November 20th (Wednesday)]


ME: 42 BH, I don't PM female members
SHE: 38 EA
Married: 15 years
Together: 17 years
D/Day 9-10-12
NC: 10-25-12
NC: Broken early November 2012, OM not respond
2 girls; 7 and 10
Fear is payments on debts you have not

Posts: 4041 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: Central Missouri
Sleepy312
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Default  Posted: 8:52 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It's not normal, and the secrecy is a huge problem for me. I'm having the same issue with my H, but he doesn't know I'm aware. There's never a *good* time to address it plus my snooping will be turned around on me.

People here are much wiser than me, so listen to the advice here. If you aren't comfortable with it then he shouldn't be doing it IMO. If he's hiding it that makes it even worse IMO. When it starts effecting sex it's a HUGE deal. Just my thoughts. GL


Me 41
Dh 40
Married 11...he forgot our anniversary among other things. Every birthday, holdiay, whatever is forever ruined.

Together 17 years
Two great kids.

He doesn't get it. Moving us to his hometown with his toxic mother is going to


Posts: 507 | Registered: Feb 2013 | From: Nj
steadfast1973
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Default  Posted: 9:00 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I found all of that stuff during my "FBI phase" when FWH had his EA 4 years ago. I rug swept. i thought we were in R. I ignored it, it "wasn't real" it was just porn. Until it was real, and not just porn. WH hired a prostitute, and came home with herpes and gonorrhea. Your WH is on that track, and it is no shortcoming of yours. It's HIS. I am sorry that you're on this boat. But you are not alone.


Me- 40- BS Him- 36- WH D-day#1 5/25/09 3 mo. EA d-day#2 11/06/13 Prostitute 11/5/13 in R
"I've seen your flag on the marble arch, our love is not a victory march, it's a cold and broken hallelujah."- Leonard Cohen

Posts: 2286 | Registered: Jul 2009 | From: Midwest
womaninflux
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Default  Posted: 9:07 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

What you have here is a progressive situation. First there's porn, then it's habitual porn usage to soothe themselves and the person is literally addicted to it. So what do addicts have to do once tolerance to a drug (alcohol, heroin, cocaine, porn) is reached? They have to go onto the next level of excitement. With porn users this means harder core stuff and then eventually maybe even a physical affair. This is exactly the course my sawh followed. In some people the acting out of SA is a progression. It's no coincidence my husband's AP resembles a porn star. No, I am not exaggerating.

It's not a little harmless porn. Anyone who says that is rug sweeping.


BS - mid-40's
SAWH - mid 40's
Kids - 2 elementary school aged
Getting tons of therapy and trying to "work it out"

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KickedintheGut
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Default  Posted: 9:21 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

What womaninflux said... it's a progression.

My SAWH also did the sign up then cancel, then the next time he signed up and stayed for a few weeks. Each time they push their own boundaries a little further. It starts with flirting, then getting numbers, then dating, then an A.

"If I got away with this, then I can get away with that."


Me - BW (38) Him (calcitro) - SAWH (38)
2 Kids Working on R
DDay#1 - 11/9/10 - 2 year EA/PA
DDay #2 - 12/9/10
Disclosure - 4/8/11
Timeline - 5/9/11

Posts: 492 | Registered: Nov 2010
letitout
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Default  Posted: 9:57 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My H hid his porn habit all during our 28 y marriage. This past 2 years he spent with prostitutes. When I first found out about it through his history I confronted and he took his habit underground, deleting his history so I wouldn't know.

We are doing well in recovery, and even though he is totally aware how wrong prostitutes were, he still doesn't get how viewing porn is wrong.

It is banned in our house now. At first I told him if he told me he viewed it, or I caught him (fat chance) that that would be a deal breaker for me. Now since he is remorseful, our deal is that he will tell me and we will try to figure out why he has to view it. He says it's for the excitement.

I am disappointed that he still doesn't get the fact that it is wrong, but I am hopeful that he will try to respect my wishes to not view it.

I think that as in Singapore, where it is banned, that I wish it was like that here.


BW 55, WH 64
2 years of prostitutes.

Posts: 283 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: California
Sleepy312
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Default  Posted: 10:40 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

For those who have BTDT I would love to know when you think is the best time to address the porn viewing and how.

It seems my H would lie like a rug and deny deny deny like he's done in the past about other things. How do you tell an addict that they are an addict? You can't can you?


Me 41
Dh 40
Married 11...he forgot our anniversary among other things. Every birthday, holdiay, whatever is forever ruined.

Together 17 years
Two great kids.

He doesn't get it. Moving us to his hometown with his toxic mother is going to


Posts: 507 | Registered: Feb 2013 | From: Nj
Serenestorm
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Content  Posted: 11:06 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Serene here. Thanks to everyone who took the time to read and for your advice and concern. Pain lead me to this site and I must admit that initially I felt embarrased and weak for having done so. But, after reading your replies and your own testimonies, I feel such support and clarity. Thank you.

Laura28 : First, I am sorry you have been through so much. You deserve love and so much more. But your reply gave me strength and your questions to me have opened my eyes. Thank you.

Ostrich80: Thanks for the support. Love and blessings to you.

vivere: You're right. Thank you for the advice.

Blakesteele: Thank you for your perspective. I think its beautiful that you turned around your life for GOD, your wife, yourself. I will suggest the book to my husband.

Sleepy, Steadfast, Womaninflux, Kickedinthegut, and Letitout:
I am sorry that you all have been there too, but thanks so much for letting me know that I'm not alone and for the comments and support.

I truly feel better. Stronger. Encouraged. I will turn to my faith, love my children, read more to help myself to heal. Hopefully help another if they find themselves sadly in the same situation. GOD bless.


Posts: 4 | Registered: Nov 2013 | From: SeekingPEACE
steadfast1973
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Helpless  Posted: 11:32 AM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

He became so entranced by the porn, that sex with me was not even a consideration. I took boudoir pictures for him for our anniversary... and his response was "what am I supposed to do with these?" It sucked, because when he came to me and confessed about the hooker... I was not even surprised. I was sort of relieved. "Now, we can move on. Together or apart, now we can move on." The fog lifted as soon as his orgasm was over (sorry TMI). he deleted all of the porn, and instituted the "No Porn Rule" on his own.


Me- 40- BS Him- 36- WH D-day#1 5/25/09 3 mo. EA d-day#2 11/06/13 Prostitute 11/5/13 in R
"I've seen your flag on the marble arch, our love is not a victory march, it's a cold and broken hallelujah."- Leonard Cohen

Posts: 2286 | Registered: Jul 2009 | From: Midwest
Ostrich80
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Default  Posted: 12:22 PM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I am 100% on the progression of porn. I've seen it. It's gone from seductive pix to disgusting videos that just get more perverse, next was the NSA hook up sites.
@blakesteele. Thank yiu for your honesty from a man's perspective.

How to tell him, I don't know as I'm also watching his spiral but have yet to say a word. I dobt know how to bring it up either so I'm anxiously awaiting the wise ones to post on that subject...confrontation.


BS..me
WS..him
Been with him over half my life
4kid
DD1 10-01-09 DD2 02-12-12 discovered it never ended
OW..nothing special. Just your average skank
Status..#$%@????

Posts: 5172 | Registered: Feb 2012 | From: midwest
thepilgrim
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Default  Posted: 6:56 PM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Serenestorm, you sound like a very loving wife.

I think you need to have a "calm" talk with your H why he set up a profile on a dating site. Maybe there is something which could easily be worked out. The best place to have this discussion is in MC (a third party to keep everyone cool and rational).


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LeopoldB
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Default  Posted: 7:31 PM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just to add balance... if you are certain your H has not cheated... and watching porn is the worst of what he has done... and he has made some poor decisions by signing up for a dating site just to see if could attract some local floosey...

^^^ All of this is actually normal for men. In fact, your H is still at the amateur end of the spectrum. If he is not a good husband and you are looking for a reason to kick him to the curb, then you have that reason. Kick away. But if he is a good husband in most other respects and just wants to look at naughty pictures on occasion, then you have to ask yourself what you are really trying to accomplish. Most men do not see porn as being disrespectful. I know we should, but we do not. Saying that porn is disrespectful is like saying that a woman's vibrator is disrespectful. Or that the arm of the couch is disrespectful. We know that women hump everything in the house that isn't nailed down when we are away. You hump the corners of tables for goodness sake. Men do not have a problem with our partners sitting on top of the dryer while doing a large load of towels. You may nitpick and claim that your private moments are more civilized than ours. I would agree. That is because... I like clean towels. I am thinking... God bless her horny little soul, we have clean linens. If porn sites gave frequent flyer miles, you would be smiling all the way to Hawaii for the holidays.

Anyway, I hate to think that there may be some good marriages out there that are being subjected to mobs with pitchforks and torches.

[This message edited by LeopoldB at 7:37 PM, November 20th (Wednesday)]


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solus sto
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Default  Posted: 8:35 PM, November 20th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Joining dating sites is NOT normal for married men. When a man has advanced from "garden variety" porn viewing through interactive porn to looking for real-life anonymous or near-anonymous sexual encounters is just that--a PROGRESSION. And it's a PROGRESSION that is indicative of a PROBLEM.

Those who are able to keep porn in context, perhaps use it to spice things up in the context of a healthy relationship, are NOT those who secretly engage in interactive pornographic encounters with paid sex workers or seek sexual relationships on Adult Friend Finders or sites of its ilk.

When used the way your husband uses it, pornography erects enormous barriers to emotional intimacy. Worse, for some, emotional intimacy requires too much maturity, or empathy, or just plain effort. The "easy way"---porn, phone sex, sexting, hookers, strippers, ONSs, AFF hookups (or other sexual acting out that requires no real investment)--becomes preferable to an emotionally intimate sexual relationship with a real woman.

In your shoes, I'd be concerned that's where your husband is headed. He's showing the signs.

And no matter what your family tells you: once you start the interactive stuff with real people and setting up dating profiles, looking for real-life partners, it IS cheating.


BS-me, 52
WH (Trac-fone), 53, PD
2 kids-DD25, DS18
multiple d-days
DIVORCING
Alone, most strangely, I live on~Rupert Brooke

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Ostrich80
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^^^ All of this is actually normal for men. In fact, your H is still at the amateur end of the spectrum. If he is not a good husband and you are looking for a reason to kick him to the curb, then you have that reason. Kick away. But if he is a good husband in most other respects and just wants to look at naughty pictures on occasion, then you have to ask yourself what you are really trying to accomplish. Most men do not see porn as being disrespectful. I know we should, but we do not. Saying that porn is disrespectful is like saying that a woman's vibrator is disrespectful. p

porn my ws looks at is disrespectful to me . It's not naughty pix, its sick shit. I didn't care about looking at nude women, wasn't a big deal but its no longer just pix. I don't need to go into graphic detail but it makes me uncomfortable knowing he's interested in what he looks at hrs a day. It is disrespectful when he would rather jack off then have sex with his wife who by the way is not repulsive or frigid.
I suppose a vibrator might be disrespectful too a husband if a wife layed around all day blowing through batteries and ignoring any needs he may have.

[This message edited by Ostrich80 at 2:47 AM, November 21st (Thursday)]


BS..me
WS..him
Been with him over half my life
4kid
DD1 10-01-09 DD2 02-12-12 discovered it never ended
OW..nothing special. Just your average skank
Status..#$%@????

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refuz2bavictim
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Default  Posted: 3:17 AM, November 21st (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

We know that women hump everything in the house that isn't nailed down when we are away. You hump the corners of tables for goodness sake.

That ^^^^ surely nailed the definition of disrespectful, IMO.

Ok before I get myself into trouble, I'll get back to my purpose for coming to this thread, to support Serenestorm.

Your instincts have been correct all along. Those alarm bells going off in your head, are to be trusted.

As Solus put it, the progression from "just" porn to signing up for a dating site, is the problem.
Your WS appears to be on the path, like many many are, and have been. I also am in complete agreement that the interactive porn activity is cheating.

I am sad to hear that you live in fear of him straying if you don't live up to his expectations. It will be impossible to live up to images and porn videos. You deserve to be valued as a wife, mother, and partner.
I am hoping that the more time you spend reading here, and learning, that you will gather your strength and your resolve. I pray that instead of living in fear you will find that you are enough. Realize and BELIEVE that the problem is not with your shortcomings, but in the false expectations that your WS has created by separating sex from the intimacy of a loving monogamous relationship.

Sorry to find you here among us. You will find a great deal of support here.


BS:ME DDay: 7/18/09 Last of TT 7/11/10
MOW's EA/PA all were my "friends" but one


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somanyyears
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Default  Posted: 3:40 AM, November 21st (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

..I give my all to our family and try to satisfy my H in every way, but I feel that I'm living in fear not love with him because I'm afraid that if I don't perform intimately up to par because I'm tired from housework or taking care of our kids that he'll stray.

..this is very disturbing to me.

..living in fear.. and ..if I don't perform he'll...

you are not his circus monkey.. you cannot be his porno-sex object and call it a loving marriage!

..and about him being just a man.. ???? he's being anything but!!!

..and his behaviour shows it. He sounds obsessed with porn-sex and dominating you to meet those porn driven sexual appetite.. and you are forced to deliver!!??

..FTG!!!! is he meeting ANY of your needs here??

come on and get a grip on reality.. he's using you. time to pull the plug on this asshole.. you deserve way better than this pervert.

get your shit together and show him the door unless you're content to be his used and abused sex toy.

smy

[This message edited by somanyyears at 3:44 AM, November 21st (Thursday)]


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She isn't and never was who I thought..I can't believe who I married and what she did to us.
Me 67
Her 63
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