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User Topic: Long Term Affairs - Part 33
7yrsflushed
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Default  Posted: 8:59 AM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

2014 will be a transition, at times a tough transition and hopefully with some enjoyable times ahead.
Congrats on the D HandC! I am jealous in a good way! Good luck with your new life and enjoy the end of your in-house S and your new freedom. For me, things got a little weird after the initial wave of joy once in-house S was over. I was detached but it wasn't really true detachment until she was actually out of the house. It took some time to adjust but once I did things have gone nowhere but up. I believe you will find your transition into this next phase of your life truly enjoyeable. It is what we make it. I wish you and your children the best!


D-day 5/24/11
BH = Me
STBXWW = Her
2 children
The first true sense of calm I felt in YEARS was when I filed for D...
Separated 6/2013, D official around 6/2014

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honesttoafault
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Default  Posted: 10:19 PM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

What I did may have influenced a choice.

I'm sorry, Tryn, but that is like saying that I drove my xWH to drink because he may not have been happy with me for whatever reason. Yes, the WS may have been unhappy, but it was THEIR CHOICE and theirs alone.

I agree with you that we can make ourselves the best we can be. We can set boundaries and not allow anyone to treat us badly anymore. There are a lot of signs that a WS is cheating. Ironically, my WS was acting better during the A. I guess tactics of distraction.

7years: I know, the list can be long of the things they did that we didn't see. When I had some more or less definite proof, I was gaslighted and his family backed him up, so I believed. We really can't beat ourselves up for being trusting and loving. We are good people who were betrayed, naive, perhaps, but still better than cruel, conniving liars and betrayers.

H&C: I'm glad to hear the D is final and the in house separation will soon come to an end. That is a particular kind of hell. Even when that is over, there will still be some kind of mourning to go through, but the hardest part is almost over.

3years: I do understand how those triggers can be. If they are very strong, consider selling or getting rid of those items of furniture. It is not being wasteful, but saving your sanity and can be very purging. I know I ended up taking down all pictures of us around the house and pics of him. I also made some other inexpensive minor changes like new curtains, new bedspread and sheets (OW did not sleep in my bed in the US, but practically lived in my house overseas)

Miracle: I'm sorry that the job didn't work out as you expected. Hopefully that means that a better prospect is out there for you.
You've been preparing for the next step for so long, and it's extremely stressful. Change of any kind, whether it's for good or bad is extremely stressful.

It's taken me a long time to face what I have lost, and I wasn't ready to face losing everything, but that's inevitable. I don't trust WH enough that he'll pay CS support on time if we D. He will try to use that to control, like he does everything else. We didn't have much money these past few months and I had to borrow money to put oil in the furnace. I know that I will not be able to afford living in my house even if I get a job. It wasn't something I was ready to face until now.

He took everything.........

except me and the ds's. They are happy he is not coming for Christmas.

[This message edited by honesttoafault at 10:21 PM, December 18th (Wednesday)]


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honest-
there's your answer: you say your kids are happy that the NPD is not coming back for Xmas.
That speaks volumes......
So much of what you did was for your kids.Postponing divorcing him because you wanted to maintain a stable home for the boys. But, a house is not a home. You are your boys stability NOT the NPD.
And your boys are old enough to recognize that.
They are telling you to let him go.
They recognize how toxic he is.They do not see him as adding value to your lives.
Yes, he may use money as a way to punish you in the future.
But, he's already not meeting his financial responsibilities with you.
Really? You had to look to others for help to pay for your heat this winter?
And you know...that he is supporting the OW and the 3 OC overseas. He is spending money on them every day.

You may not be able to continue living in this house after you divorce him but like I said- a house is not a home.
You will create a wonderful, warm, peaceful, loving home for your sons somewhere else.
Away from the crazy.
Without all of the sad memories.

A new beginning.

There are lots of support systems out there for women in transition. There is a safety net available to help with housing etc.
You are exactly the type of person that these programs were created for.

You are escaping an abusive situation.



Me- BS
Him- WH
Long term marriage
D-day- Jan. 2007
5 yr. LTA
Reconciled.


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njgal480
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Default  Posted: 6:30 AM, December 19th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

h&c- good to hear that you have embarked on your 'new beginning'. I predict that 2014 will be a wonderful year for you and your children.
I am sorry that your WW never really showed remorse for her actions and did not value you. She does not realize what a wonderful man she is losing.
But...she will.
So often the WS do not appreciate all that they have. They take it for granted. They imagine that there is someone out there that is more exciting etc.
But the reality never matches the fantasy.

I have seen this scenario played out many times.

I read an article where they compared this behavior to swapping a thousand dollars for a hundred dollar bill.

h&c- you are a quality man- a great father.

I wish you all the best in the coming New Year.


Me- BS
Him- WH
Long term marriage
D-day- Jan. 2007
5 yr. LTA
Reconciled.


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honesttoafault
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NJgal: Thank you for your kind words. I know it speaks volumes that the DS's don't want him here for Christmas. I have mixed emotions of relief and extreme hurt. Too much false hope. I would give up hope, but I guess there was always a small ember there that ended up getting stirred up. I guess I have to be the one to extinguish it completely, and I'm working on that.

Planning and trying to make steps forward is so
very scary. I have to try to find some kind of center in myself.

I hope all is well with our LTA family. Been kind of quiet in here.


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I'm sorry, Tryn, but that is like saying that I drove my xWH to drink

Well honest.. They may drink to escape what they are not happy about in life.. whatever that may be.

But, when they do drink.. There comes a time when that affects your own happiness; you must have the courage to let them make a choice. And that question is.. Do you want that bottle or do you want the M? What is it? Your choice spouse what is it?

It is no different for many other behaviors.

- Do you want to have an emotional relationship with your boss or not?
- Do you want to have a male friend that close to you or not?
- Do you want to spend that much time away...OK.. that is not what I want.
- Do you want to spend our money foolishly or do you want our M?
- Do you want to continue to lie to me all the time, not be open or do you want our M?
- Do you want to have sex with me or not? Your choice, no sex is no M.
- Do you want to never make out with me? Your choice, not mine.. Not making out means it is not what a M is suppose to be. Your choice, not mine.
- You need space? Have at it, I will give you what You want, a D. Your choice.
- You want to yell at me? That is fine, do it, but it won't be for long because I cannot live with a yeller who breaks his vows.
- Oh Honey, you no longer have feelings for me? Ok, feelings can change by your own attitude and what YOU do. I will do my part. But if you have these feelings and don’t want to do anything about them, then I must give you what YOU want. A Divorce.

There are two parts.. We must behave in the most quality way first. Only then can we give the consequences fairly..

You are missing my point.

Let me share a story of a man in our group. Like most marriages, it started out with much love, hope, dreams, happiness, satisfaction etc. This man also was a risk taker in business. He could not hold down a job. Three failed business and after 10-12 years, two children, they are broke. His W worked and did Ok. She just got tired of her H time again not performing. She became disillusioned.

Along comes an OM who is successful. They talked and talked at work and at lunch. The man in our group knew they were meeting. When she first met him, she told her H such. As time goes on, his W and this man became friends. Right in front of his eyes OM would text her. She told her H oh they are just friends. Meanwhile, this man in our group was struggling to make a living, seeking his purpose, taking risk on not so smart businesses. Guess what?

No, he did not deserve what he got. But the fact is that people just don’t open up to say.. Hey, I don’t like it and I am going to end my M so I can find a man who can take care of me.
He blames himself in tears. He is a failure he says to us. He failed to support his family so his W would have never been disillusioned. One of the vital needs we men must do for our women.. be a solid strong provider. He reads and listens to what it takes to be the most attractive man and places the blame on himself.

Then, as we asked him questions..
Did you romance your wife often? “No”
How often did you kiss your W? “not often”
Did she reject you sexually? “Yes”
How did you handle sex rejection? “I once told her maybe I should get it from another woman.”
and I could go on and on.


And like I said, people in a M is so binding, the “I Do” is that powerful as a safety net.. the fears set in to a point they cannot see when the vow is being broken… nor do they know how to bring it to a point either the other person will make a good choice, the right choice… and since a vow is being broken.. they can break it themselves.

And yes, it can be just one thing, something you may not even realize, but in every situation I have seen, it is many things. One thing may just be enough for our spouses to never risk losing you but most likely it is many things. And we really have no idea who we marry. We cannot get into thier head. We cannot know. So we must take not a postion of being complacent, but rise above it. We are paying close attention now.. If you don't want to rise above it, that is ok too. It is your life.

The likely odds say a person will bury it, not confront it. Like avoiding public speaking, pain avoidance… Seek the safe route..or punish them and push them back into a hole.. never resolved.

We say to him, that was her choice not yours. No matter what you did, or did not do, there is never an excuse for her decision. But you can take this situation and go down a path of destruction or be a man who can rise above it. You can make the choice no matter what your W’s choice is.. and be a far better, more masculine man, an attractive man. And if you develop into this man, you will be attractive. Your good will come. And your spouse may not want to behave, that is thier choice. Never again will you pick this kind of person, never again will you be who you were. Perhaps you already know this person is not able to change. That is OK too. Let them not change. It is thier choice.

And that means you are flexible to differences, but you do not ever accept behaviors from anyone that could lead you down a path of unhappiness. You are going to live your life like you want to live it. And that means if your spouse chooses not to love you, you will only view it as temporary pain because you are going to be a man who is most attractive, strong, mysterious, different, exciting, hard worker, smart worker, not dependant on anyone for your happiness…

And Honest.. If I may make a suggestion to you.. This Christmas, you take your H hand and you tell him.. What would make me most happy is for you to help me get my teaching certificate. I will need “whatever you need”.. and then just smile at him. Let him give you a gift. NPD need to give gifts. Use it wisely. Then accept.. Hey, my H is married to two women. No, not by my choice, not what I wanted, but I am Ok with his choice. He can do whatever he wishes. I am going to do what I need to do. I deserve that from my spouse, that is the stuff married spouses do and you are still married to him... and I am going have the courage to ask for it... for the boys, for me. If he says no, I will seek other ways to get it.

This year, I had the most successful year in business. The greatest feeling in the world is when the CEO of a billion dollar company mentions your name in recognition at the Christmas party. Sure the bonus was nice, the profit sharing was nice, that made me feel good too, but that one minute made me feel like a million bucks. And as I looked and my W, I could feel the pride oozed out of her.. A need for a spouse to have about YOU.

Imagine this? George Hill, an Indiana Pacer. He was at an event discussing the most important people who was in his life. He started by saying a teacher taught him to be responsible as a teenager. He was going down a path of destruction, before a teacher became a part of his life to teach him, not only about the subject, but about life. He had lost contact with this teacher but just wanted to verbalize it. At that moment, the organizers presented this teacher who was in tears of joy. I know she felt like a million bucks. A successful entertainer George Hill and made it happen..she influenced.

Now, You go be that teacher to change a young man or woman’s life, if this is your purpose. You go get your million bucks! Accept what gets you there. Be happy with how you got you here. It starts with your choice and actions.. Your good thoughts will bring you good feelings. It works!

Peace all..

[This message edited by trynhard at 4:37 PM, December 20th (Friday)]


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... one minute made me feel like a million bucks. And as I looked and my W, I could feel the pride oozed out...

and there is the difference why Tryn, and others, have successful R and I cannot. I too have had an excellent year; professional recognition, peer approval, performance bonus. When I talk of it FWW feels depressed over her job and ashamed she earns so little. I do not mention my work and success to FWW. There is no mutual pride and satisfaction of success. Yet another wedge in our relationship.

FWW is out with a friend tonight and tomorrow afternoon. Monday her DD who bans me from her house is coming here to mine while I am at work. I am off on the 26th, FWW volunteered to work that day. Tonight I am going to movie with my boys, tomorrow they and I are putting lights out. Monday leaving work early to meet an old friend in town (at restaurant, not house). I have family and friends, FWW is just not a part of it.


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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Default  Posted: 7:55 PM, December 20th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

ats- It's so sad to read about how disconnected your WW seems to be.
Just curious-if you asked her if she was happy with the marriage now. What would she say? Does she like the dynamics now? Is she satisfied with the arrangement that you have or would she say that she's not happy and would like to have a different kind of marriage?
Is she someone that avoids intimacy at all costs?
Does not like to be open with others or feel close?
The LTAs were little fantasy bubbles that she could control. No intimacy there at all. And she could control how much or how little time she spent with the OM?


Me- BS
Him- WH
Long term marriage
D-day- Jan. 2007
5 yr. LTA
Reconciled.


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atsenaotie
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Default  Posted: 10:20 PM, December 20th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

njgal,

And she could control ...

She has said that she enjoyed the power and control of the As.

She does not like to be open with others, she feels like she looses herself. I could ask her if she is happy, but she is never truthful and everything is always OK. When I check in with her she says that she is OK, but then goes on to bitch about her job or something.

I think she does not like much, she is depressed often. I think how we are is OK. I take care of things (income, pay bills, fix broken things, listen to her talk, etc) and she has no commitments or expectations on her.

Fun evening with the boys, Anchorman 2 has some fun parts. It is not that things with FWW are bad, they are just not good. I was going to create conflict, but why do I want to force someone to spend time with me or be physical who does not want to? It has been 49 months since dday, in 54 more months the last child will be through school. At that point FWW will be eligible for social security and medicare, and I will be able to afford to pay support and keep the house. I suspect a couple hundred thousand out of my retirement would be attractive to her at that point.

My parents will be here X-mas, and then they, the boys and I will go to a local fun waterfront bar for lunch the day after and to pick up special jam oldest DS wants while she is working.

[This message edited by atsenaotie at 10:24 PM, December 20th (Friday)]


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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Default  Posted: 1:30 AM, December 21st (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hey, my H is married to two women. No, not by my choice, not what I wanted, but I am Ok with his choice.

Tryn: you are right, I DO MISS YOUR POINT.
I am NOT OK WITH HIS CHOICE!!!!!!!!

I am trying to move on. I've stayed because I didn't want to lose my house for the DS's sakes. Even if I do get recertified, there are no teaching jobs in my area.

As for my xWH, he decided to cheat and leave before I finally said the bottle or me.

So, I guess, I am at fault.

Yes, I was too nice. I put up with a lot of shit. Am I perfect? Hell no, No one is. Am I trying to make myself better? Hell YES, and I've always tried to. No one is more critical of themselves than I am.

The only thing I can say, that if I was quality, according to your definition, I would have been the one who left years ago.

[This message edited by honesttoafault at 1:37 AM, December 21st (Saturday)]


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Default  Posted: 8:59 PM, December 21st (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

A friend on FB posted this today:

I still have trouble with this!

FWH is out of town & I have this awful feeling in the pit of my stomach. I received a text about the weather wind chill early this morning... nothing since! I am zombie-like... looking around... seeing what needs doing... but I am reading email, FB and SI. definitely not a quality wife by Tryn's standards.

Just cannot lift myself out of this depressed state... maximum meds and positive self-talk are not enough! Sorry to be such a downer... As always, the tribe is in my prayer. {{{LTA}}}


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honest-

You were and continue to be a quality person! You have a huge heart and are so forgiving and kind. If some consider that a weakness that's their problem. I consider that a wonderful character trait.

Like you did with your 1st husband- I put up with a lot of bad behavior on the part of my FWH.
We didn't allow it to continue because we were not quality women. We were young, inexperienced, forgiving, hopeful that there would be change, we loved our kids and our families.
All quality traits.

As for now.... my suggestion is to speak to your sons openly and honestly. I know you were putting up with so much pain and bad behavior from the NPD in order to hold on to the house for your boys.
Talk to them. Ask them if they would prefer the status quo in order to stay in this house or....if they would be ok with moving to a much smaller, more affordable place so that you could finally be free of the NPD.
I predict that they will say that they are fine with moving ... all they want is for you to be happy. And for the family to have peace.

And as for the job.... you're probably right about the lack of teaching jobs in your area right now.
But..there are other very realistic options out there. I will be sending you a pm.

Remember..everyone here in the LTA tribe is rooting for you! We know you can do this. And we want you to be happy. I predict that 2014 will be your year.


Me- BS
Him- WH
Long term marriage
D-day- Jan. 2007
5 yr. LTA
Reconciled.


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Default  Posted: 8:34 AM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Lost Soul-
Thanks for the quote. I think it's really appropriate for the New Year.

My mantra when I trigger is : That was then, this is now."

And yes... even after all this time I still do think about the LTA and I do trigger at times.

I think its something that stays with us for a very long time and especially for some us with FOO issues (family of origin) that were difficult etc. the PISD (post infidelity stress disorder) lasts longer.

So-IMHO your reaction to your FWH leaving on a trip is normal.

Try to stay focused on the positives in your life.
And why not call him or text and ask him to contact you more often while he's away? tell him that you miss him and you are triggering a bit?


Me- BS
Him- WH
Long term marriage
D-day- Jan. 2007
5 yr. LTA
Reconciled.


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Default  Posted: 3:15 PM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Tryn: you are right, I DO MISS YOUR POINT.
I am NOT OK WITH HIS CHOICE!!!!!!!!
Honest, I will explain what I believe tryn is sayin':
Then accept.. Hey, my H is married to two women. No, not by my choice, not what I wanted, but I am Ok with his choice. He can do whatever he wishes. I am going to do what I need to do.
^^^you need to read the word 'ok' in this sentence as accepting. You need to accept that this is the choice your WH has made. This is what HE wants. Fine. NOW, you need to make those choices YOU NEED TO MAKE based on WHAT YOU WANT AND NEED. You are still trying to un-do your WH's choice. That will not happen. You need to be 'ok' with that, because only then will you make the choices for you.

When you stop trying to un-do your WH's choice, you will:

...go be that teacher to change a young man or woman’s life, if this is your purpose. You go get your million bucks! Accept what gets you there. Be happy with how you got you here. It starts with your choice and actions.. Your good thoughts will bring you good feelings.
^^^This path that is focused on YOU may include your leaving your WH. OR not. But you need to start making choices FOR YOU.

[This message edited by MC_Jack at 3:16 PM, December 22nd (Sunday)]


I am not a marriage counselor. I chose "MC Jack" in the spirit of a handle like "MC Hammer" or Young MC"...there is a lot of 'rapping' here, no? At the time I did not know what MC stood for on this site. Duh.

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(((lostsuol)))

love the quote!!!


honest: focus on moving forward...focus on you and your boys....don't worry about accepting his choices, i think that will come in time...and its hard to accept things that just do not make sense....and sometimes life is just not fair and life sucks.....just keep moving towards your future and not back into crazy...


i have a busy 2 days ahead....company both days...so i would like to wish everyone who celebrates xmas a very merry one, and more then that a peaceful one...may santa bring you what you really need and want...and for those who have been naughty may santa drop some hot coal in their knickers!!!


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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Early Merry Xmas to all and Happy Holidays! First year without the kids on XMAS for me. It's STBXW's week. Oddly, I am cool with this. I was never big on holidays anyway and it means I get to actually go to sleep tonight. I will see them for a few hours tomorrow and they will open gifts at my house but we are basically redoing xmas at my parents house on Friday after I pick them up.

It's the end of another year. We're about to kick 2013 in the ass and welcome in 2014. Last year I absolutelly meant I would not leave 2013 in the same place and I accomplished that goal. Still thinking about my goal(s) for 2014 but I am settling on continuing to enjoy my life. The only piece left to fall into place will be the official divorce decree which should arrive some time in July 2014. I can't wait to get that. Already have a trip with the college buds to Vegas planned for July and a house party of some type to celebrate when we get back. Yes this grown ass man will be having a "Freedom" Party! I couldn't say D party with a straight face.

For everyone still struggling this SHIT absolutely gets better. If you have an unremorseful WS get your plan in place and work it until fruition. I claimed 2013 as my year and suffered through all the ups and down to move past the LTA that I thought was going to define my life. But I define my life and you define yours so make 2014 your year to take back control of your life and make of it what you will. Everyone here has your back.


D-day 5/24/11
BH = Me
STBXWW = Her
2 children
The first true sense of calm I felt in YEARS was when I filed for D...
Separated 6/2013, D official around 6/2014

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Merry Christmas to all and I hope everyone is able to have a peaceful holiday season.

Dip.


Her WW 60
Me BH 60
M 36 yr
D-day#1 fall of 76 OM#1 2NS
D-day#2 summer of 89 OM#2 LTA 8 yrs OM#3 Short Term A


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Merry Christmas!


Me- BS
DDay- 8/26/09
Separated after failed R effort.

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Merry Christmas all, and best wishes for your new year.

Atsenaotie


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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Merry Christmas to all and a joyous New Year!


BW (me)42
WH 44
3 daughters, 1 son
Married 10 years, together 13
DDay 3/14/2013, four year PA
In R
"Sometimes you have to accept the fact that certain things will never go back to the way they used to be."

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