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User Topic: Long Term Affairs - Part 32
SisterMilkshake
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Default  Posted: 7:42 PM, September 25th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My WH pulls the "free pass" card. As in I get a free pass to have sex with someone else once - you know since he did.
My FWH has never offered me the free pass. He wouldn't be able to handle it. Besides, he knows I am a smart ass and he wasn't going to open himself up to that.

But, in response to his offer, I would sweetly say "No, darling, I get to fall in love with someone. I get to have sex for over 2 1/2 years with this new person I have fallen in love with. Everything you did, I get to do. And, I get to have you, too. That is my free pass. Right? "

Good luck on the jobs. You are amazing.

I'm getting stronger every day. I'm sitting on one job offer. Still have the potential for a second, and have two interviews tomorrow.
I am so excited for you. Congratulations! I feel this is going to help you a lot, Positive. You'll get to meet people (maybe your free pass ~ AAACCCKKKKK! just kidding, but I hope your WH gets nervous ) and feel more empowered, I would imagine.
I'm going to blow him away with how amazing *I* am.
Yes, you are!


BW (me) 50ish FWH 50ish
Married 34 years, 3 children
d-day 3/10 LTA (4 yrs./fucking & flirting)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak!" ~ Homer Simpson


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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 6:09 AM, September 26th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Sister..

I could be wrong here, but I feel the number one quality that a lot of good men look for in a woman, especially if they are a BH, is faithfulness, trustworthiness and loyalty.
A faithful woman is a treasure. Real men want and appreciate that treasure. Any man who wouldn't want that, well, he isn't quality.

Me? I want my W to be most happy. All else is then a given.

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iwantamiracle
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Default  Posted: 9:06 AM, September 26th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Tryn: wanting your wife to be happy is admirable...but people tell themselves all types of lies and talk themselves into believing that they are happy

remember the golden rule....perception equals reality for all people...its how you percieve each sich is your reality...

wanting someome to feel happy is wonderful but its not real....we all have ups and downs through life and its how we choose to cope with those ups and downs....whether they be from our past where something triggers an unhealthy response or something happens in the here and now and triggers that same or even a different unhealthy response...

our ws's need to learn how to cope, they need to learn healthy boundaries, they need to learn what led them to believe that it was ok for them to cheat...if they never get to the root of their why, and each one of them is a different why, its not a one size fits all.....without getting to the why it will always be there lurking, waiting.....

no my friend, just saying you want her to be happy is really not enough...she needs to be healthy, physically and mentally

free pass: my mother had told pfm way back when that i get a free pass if i want it.... she told him that he had no business in my business anymore..(of course this was after i already stated and decided that i would seek divorce at some point in the future)..pfm was totally dumbfounded...if you ever met and saw my mom you would be too....here she is, this saint of a woman, short, grey hair, overweight grandma......


we have all suffered our own personal 9/11...and for some like honest she's been suffering more then that...i believe she had her own personal world war going on for her....anyways....the point here is that we were all blindsided in a big way...finding our about the cheating is one thing, finding out how long it went on and the depth of it is astounding....and overwhelming

it means we need to take as much time as we need to heal ourselves....and that means we take care of ourselves both physically and mentally...go to ic...and if you don't like or feel comfy with the ic you see get another one....and even another if the second one is no good...you keep looking til you find someone YOU can relate to.....

it also means you take ALL THE TIME you need to do what you need to do for YOU....unless you are in an abusive sich you take all the time you need....if you are in an abusive sich then run, run fast, run hard and never look back

AND in the time you need to take for YOU...YOUR WS needs to work hard on themselves imo, they need to find their why...without it you will never feel safe in the relationship...and even when they find their why, it will take time to BUILD a new relationship and BUILD a new trust...and it can be done...njgal is the perfect example...and she is not the only one....but if a ws doesnt do the work it won't work....work breeds a working relationship...not working breeds a relationship that is not a working relationship...

anything and everything else a ws does is to deflect....it means that they are not getting to the root of their WHY!!!


((((tribe))))

[This message edited by iwantamiracle at 9:45 AM, September 26th (Thursday)]


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ReunitePangea
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Default  Posted: 9:57 AM, September 26th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

wanting someome to feel happy is wonderful but its not real....we all have ups and downs through life and its how we choose to cope with those ups and downs....whether they be from our past where something triggers an unhealthy response or something happens in the here and now and triggers that same or even a different unhealthy response...

This is an interesting topic for me. When Tryn posted that he just wants his W to be happy that is exactly what I value most as well. Heck I still let my W still see OM2 becaues it brings her happiness.

Sure we all have ups and downs in life but I dont think desiring your spouse to be happy is expecting that they are happy every minute of every day. Take work for example, there are good day and then there are bad days. However if almost every day my wife was dreading going into work I would do whatever I could to support her in pursuing a different career that brings her more happiness.

no my friend, just saying you want her to be happy is really not enough...she needs to be healthy, physically and mentally

I actually look at the above statement in reverse.

No my friend, just saying that you want her to be healthy, physically and mentally is really not enough.....she needs to be generally happy as well. Physical and mental health is part of happiness.


BS - Me 38
WS - Wife 39
D-Day - Oct 12
Married 10 years
OM1 - 12-year LTA
OM2 - 9 month A turned into open relationship with couple for another 1 1/2 years

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PositiveAttitude
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Default  Posted: 10:17 AM, September 26th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

But, in response to his offer, I would sweetly say "No, darling, I get to fall in love with someone. I get to have sex for over 2 1/2 years with this new person I have fallen in love with. Everything you did, I get to do. And, I get to have you, too. That is my free pass. Right? "

I'm going to do that next time he refers to the free pass to ease his guilt over his actions. OMG, I'm so angry most of the time anymore. I know anger is a secondary emotion, and I'm using it to mask my hurt. There is just SO MUCH HURT!

He's told me that if the situation were reversed he would hope that he would have the grace to forgive me as I've done for him, but honestly - he'd leave me in a heartbeat. Probably to be with her. Ugh.

[This message edited by PositiveAttitude at 10:17 AM, September 26th (Thursday)]


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I “want” my W to be happy. My W's happiness is a state of mind. Enjoying, showing, or marked by pleasure, satisfaction, or joy.

If you are happy, you have no fears such you lie to protect your fears. If you are happy, you have no emotional or sexual needs unmet thus you can live your life in fidelity very easily. If you are happy, the consequences will be loyalty.

Happiness really is enough.

As this relates to those who we have relationships… How we behave does have an effect on others. Yep, I raise my hand at this thread.

Happiness is something we should continue to work toward… for us.

RP… Sexuality is the most precious part of our relationships. I’ll give you something to consider. When someone has sex, they gain a “bond” with that person. Men seek this “bond” when they hire a prostitute.. if it is missing; a basic human requirement for most all men. It is chemical or "love hormone".

These chemical in our brains are not really understood. This "love hormone" I have read will actual faster heal someone with a wound.. I can perhaps say when we are hurt mentally too. I know for fact if you leave someone who betrayed you, find someone else and start having sex, your mind begins to heal. IMO.. it has something to do with “bonding”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=howBFe924vY

[This message edited by trynhard at 1:11 PM, September 26th (Thursday)]


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MC_Jack
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Default  Posted: 1:46 PM, September 26th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

When someone has sex, they gain a “bond” with that person.
If in my case it does conclude that OW was the chaser/predator will she ever NOT pursue WH?

My WW's OM was the initiator of the A. Lots of praise, ego stroking, phoney empathy, etc. with the empty promises of no one will get hurt, won't hurt our marriages, etc. I say that he was a predator in that he was looking for the conquest, the thrill of the FWB booty call. Being a 'stud'.

But you know, my WW kinda saw this...at first during the first few months of the (phase 1) 14 month EA (which her IC condoned and supported BTW). My WW even turned down intial offers of getting together in the first few months.

She finally made the choice to see OM/ have sex with OM/ in a very planned way after these 14 months of EA stroking and affirmation by OM. (He knew how to do it like a lot of womanizers. I think every faithful H should actively learn some of these methods for home use.) This meeting wasn't going to hurt anyone and she was looking for 'joy'. Whatever.

Anyways, AFTER having sex with the OM - something happened - like a switch. She went from being pursued to having 'the bond', and since he was an old fling from pre-Jack, this bond had the look of 'alternative destiny.' Subsequent meeting over the next year increased the bond...and the desperation and delusion. This desperation and delusion only got worse as the hole she was trying to fill got wider. Now my WW did not do crazy stuff like some OWs. But I am just making a point about people damaging themselves and their sensibility to boot to the point they are acting like six shades crazy.***

I say this in regard to positive's WH and the OW. The story is more than one of Glenn Close I bet.

Positive, I really like your rendering real reasons for staying together. Life is messy and unfair. We need to look at the whole picture indeed.

*** I mentioned the book "the Seducer" yesterday. The novel does a pretty good job of showing the 'escalation of commitment' of a cheater, who feeling as though they have lost their M, will throw themselves at the AP and put up with all kinds of crap to salvage/justify their (what they know deep down as a mistaken) choice to shit-can their M.

So to the question above, no I do not think that the OW will pursue your WH unless out of spite. She is already on to the next justification.

[This message edited by MC_Jack at 1:48 PM, September 26th (Thursday)]


I am not a marriage counselor. I chose "MC Jack" in the spirit of a handle like "MC Hammer" or Young MC"...there is a lot of 'rapping' here, no? At the time I did not know what MC stood for on this site. Duh.

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atsenaotie
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(He knew how to do it like a lot of womanizers. I think every faithful H should actively learn some of these methods for home use.)

I preferred to have my FWW learn to self-soothe and self-affirm. Not that I do not make an effort to affirm and love her, but my efforts are the gravy, not the meal that sustains her.

AFTER having sex with the OM - something happened - like a switch.

Same for FWW. In each relationship she was flirting with OM, having a fling and enjoying the attention. Then they would have sex and it was a full on relationship. Despite her consistent insistence that she was not so into the sex, the initiation of sex (intercourse) as a benchmark in each of her PAs. It took her months to work up to kissing, and then just days or minutes to go from kissing to oral sex, to intercourse.

I believe that a part of this was that she was using each OM to fill the guilt and shame she felt about herself. Then, after the sex the guilt and shame about her self intensified. This created a loop of where more and more OM attention was needed to fill the hole, and then sex would dig the hole wider and deeper, so more attention from OM...


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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iwantamiracle
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pa: yes there is so much hurt....i have said that this pain is worse then the pain i felt when my dad died....it runs so deep within....and it never far from thought....it becomes almost obsessive....it can consume you...which is all the more reason to take care of YOU!!!...It's time to put yourself first...

pangea: you let your wife "see" the OM2 because it makes her feel good...there's something terribly wrong with that picture!!!! terribly wrong


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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iwantamiracle
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happiness IS a state of mind....now comes the million dollar question....is the state of mind a sound mind????

happiness is also a state of perception.....and if your perception is warped what does that say for your state of happiness...happiness cannot be measured but it must be nurtured, happiness is so broad of a term.....

one needs to know what one needs from life, from their partners, from their job, from their kids, from their friendships....we all have needs and if they are met we should be happy.....but truly knowing what our needs are can be a puzzle for some...for the longest time our ws's "needed" their op's, for the longest time our ws's needed other distractions, for some it was alcohol, for some it was work, for some it was children......to truly be happy within one needs to go within to heal the past wounds to be able to move forward for the future....

imo, if a ws does not do the work, go within to find their whys and do the work to truly know who they are...they will never have true happiness...they will forever chase that dream...happiness is a state of mind within.....and only when someone is mentally healthy will it ever be attained....and that goes for us too!!!

happiness is a state of "mind"!!!!

when i was pregnant with each of my kids when people asked me what i wanted my reply was always the same..

"i want a healthy, happy, non colic baby in that order" because that was where my priorities were and would still be...which brings me to yet another issue...

priorities: i know pfm's priorities were and still are as fucked up as can be!!!! if you can't prioritize the important shit you can't find happiness there either....one needs to learn how to prioritize properly....it is learning what needs to be more important...kind of like e.r. triage for your life!!!


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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Default  Posted: 2:52 PM, September 26th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Anyways, AFTER having sex with the OM - something happened - like a switch. She went from being pursued to having 'the bond', and since he was an old fling from pre-Jack, this bond had the look of 'alternative destiny.'

Replacement

If you go through a trauma.. you need to find a way to replace.. replace with good, not bad. A trauma refuge is sometimes drugs. Sometimes that replacement just comes without you even knowing it.

It is no difference when it comes to finding happiness. if you are unhappy, weak in communication, or have a spouse not paying attention, you find things that will replacement.

Oh but a very good behavior we should develop have after being cheated.. In R or in the next relationship. Pay attention... extra close attention. If you don't, you will be continued to be cheated on time and time again.

For example.. If my W came to me saying.. I need space.

OK, honey, go get it. Please pack up your stuff...

You know there is a song about every part of life?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fDU-khOp1o

They can seek the happiness they need...

My buddy has been dating this woman for 4 months. He has never found a woman that matched his sexuality. Well, now he has one (BTW.. 49 years old, D twice, both because her man stopped having sex with her). So.. in a hot steamy session… she tells my friend.. what would really feel great is “another woman sandwiched between us. “ Now we both got a huge laugh over that.. but I warned him… You do that, you are messing with fire. No doubt in my mind, you date for a reason. You date to find out about that person… to be married to a woman like this.. you are going to find yourself losing her bond and having sex with another woman. A signal I hope he does not ignore.

And the same can be said about so many other bad behavior.. We cannot be afraid and must have courage to speak up. Some folks here are very good at it.

And my W.. When I screw up, she had better be just like all the other strong women on this board… My W tends to close down… but I address that too. “honey, you can shut down or open up. What is it?” And I am far more aware and never let it go.. I add more pressure. I am tough enough to handle it whatever it is. If she cannot be healthy.. then call Tyron. It has been working for me and taught to me by my therapist.

[This message edited by trynhard at 2:52 PM, September 26th (Thursday)]


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Happiness.. Enjoying, showing, or marked by pleasure, satisfaction, or joy. True happiness Iwant is what I speak.. Some people are just not happy nor will they ever find it.. Happiness take some effort.

Is “true” happiness finding an A? I know it is not. It might be a high.. The perception of the high.. but it also comes at a price. GUILT. Not much happiness in splitting assets.. not much happiness with the family issues associated with D. True happiness is not having those other feelings.

My W told me like I have read so many times.. A huge weight was lifted off her shoulders.


I can want my W to be happy.. it does not mean she will have it.

I can lead my W to happiness.. and perhaps I do this by telling her to call Tyron. It may also do it by stopping all my criticizing her and know there are different ways of doing things.. it might be I stop all flirting, eyeing, other woman… it might be I stop allow her to have sex with another man.. it might be when she starts to go down a negative path I change her to think more positive.. it might be I forgive her.. It might be I give her the sex she needs..

But on the flip side.. If she cannot please me.. I won’t be happy. Somehow She must understand that too. IF she doesn’t, perhaps like your H, we cannot jeopardize our own happiness.. we must have courage. Sometimes, when we make a decision, our spouse will make up their own mind to change. The may not like the change they make.. Say.. Hey you drunk.. I am not longer going to make you part of my world.. They then want to stop drinking.. There high… not really fun to feel physically drained from drinking… not really happy to know inside you are addicted.. Call Tyron might just be what they need to change and say.. Hey, I want to stop drinking for myself.. so I can keep you.

[This message edited by trynhard at 3:12 PM, September 26th (Thursday)]


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I say this in regard to positive's WH and the OW. The story is more than one of Glenn Close I bet.

Did you mean my WH and OW? I get the Glenn Close reference to fatal attraction, but I've never seen the movie.

My latest from my WH from yesterday that is STILL stinging today was the "My affair would have worked out if I had wanted it to."

Does that mean that I stand in the way of true love? Of some miraculous connection that the two of them shared that can never be replicated? Or is he just as insane as I believe him to be?


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"My affair would have worked out if I had wanted it to."

Does that mean that I stand in the way of true love?


See love is a choice.. not a feeling.

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See love is a choice.. not a feeling.

Everyone says this, but I don't necessarily believe it to be true. I had no choice in loving or not loving my first husband. He was an abusive loser who eventually killed out every bit of love I ever held for him. I left, and never looked back but there was no choice in the matter. I just woke up one day not in love.

What if I somehow killed out the love WH once felt for me, and in such cleared the path for him to be available to fall in love with OW? Of course this is countered by him saying that he never didn't love me, etc. etc. etc.

I just hate all this. I hate it.


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there's something terribly wrong with that picture!!!! terribly wrong

My story is not typical, I will grant you that but I am not anymore screwed up than anyone else cause of it. I know my priorities in life and am very much focused on that.

"My affair would have worked out if I had wanted it to."

I don't believe in true love or soul mates or any of that fairy tale stuff. I know there are multiple other woman in this world that I could happily love and there are many other men in this world that my WW could love as well.

With that said, you should ask your WH if he deserves a medal for finding an OW that he thinks could love him. That fact that she thinks it is ok to cheat on a married man for years doesnt say it is much of an accomplishment for either one of them. I don't think when he realizes how little his accomplishment is that he would want to advertise it.


BS - Me 38
WS - Wife 39
D-Day - Oct 12
Married 10 years
OM1 - 12-year LTA
OM2 - 9 month A turned into open relationship with couple for another 1 1/2 years

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Happiness for the WS is an interesting topic.

I think that most of the WS will say that they pursued the affair because they were NOT happy in their life.

The fascinating thing is that in many cases....after d-day...the WS wakes up out of the 'fog' of the affair and looks around and realizes that he/she does not want a life with the other person, does not want to lose his/her spouse, does not want to lose his /her family etc.

And...ironically, that same wife, family, life that made them unhappy before d-day is now their only source of happiness.

Why? Because they needed a major attitude adjustment.

The unhappiness was due to toxic thinking.
It was how they were looking at the world.
And now after d-day their attitude toward life has changed.

They realized that the affair was nothing.
It was not real.
That's why so many WS are able to throw the OW/OM under the bus so quickly.

They realized very quickly that the affair partner was only 'fun' for the short term.

They realized that they did not see the affair partner as a life partner.

They realize that what they truly value is their marriage and their spouse.

That seems to be the pattern for many of the remorseful WS after d-day.

I'm the same person in many ways that I was during my husband's LTA.

The difference is that my FWH took me for granted and did not appreciate me the way he should have during those years.
(His words).

Good thing because I am not jumping through hoops to try to make sure he is happy every minute of the day.
IMHO happiness comes from within.
It's how you look at the world.
Is the glass half empty or half full?

And as for the previous discussion about the WH who now discovered that he needed only the crazy kinky sex he experienced with the OW.....

The best cure for that unrealistic expectation is for him to move in with the OW.

he will realize very quickly that real life with the OW is very very similar to real life with his wife.

In my FWH's case the MOW was one of those hanging from the chandelier affair partners....
that was her shtick.

She advertised that fact about herself to all of the married co-workers.
Bragging about what a wild cookie she was and flashing her thong at the office.

Ironically, I met her BH and guess what?
There was no hanging from the chandelier at his house.
She was a flannel pajama girl.

You see...she had her affair persona and then there was the real her.
She could not maintain her crazy kinky persona 24/7.

None of them can.

That's why so few affair relationships last.
The reality is never like the fantasy.

Right after d-day I screamed at my FWH that he should go to the OW if that was what he wanted.
I never saw such a look of fear on anyone's face.
Having the OW full time was not what he was interested in......



Me- BS
Him- WH
Long term marriage
D-day- Jan. 2007
5 yr. LTA
Reconciled.


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Hey guys... jumping back in... Won't comment on all of it but have found the discussion on happiness great and thought-provoking.

I've had a horrible day because of this latest craziness. WH and I have barely seen each other for several days -- send a few texts, yadayada. He's super busy at work and unfortunately, I've had way too much time to stew over everything from Friday's email saga. Today, we decided that we need to take a real break from each other and try to heal independently.

Good idea? IDK. Just know that we've gone months, thinking we're doing well, only to be sabotaged by one of his supremely stupid hurtful comments.

The best cure for that unrealistic expectation is for him to move in with the OW.

So, is that the answer? I know it would dispell the fog, but 1) I think he's too proud to ever admit that mistake and 2) I pray I would never be so lacking in self-respect to take him back after he actually did choose her over me.

So, I'm stuck. Maybe it's just time to let it all go. God, that is so hard.


Me: 40s BS, Him: 40s WH
M 20 yrs - 3 teens
LTA = 2+ yrs, Dday = 2/10/13, he moved out, MC/IC/FC,
He officially moved back in 1/25/14 and our work continues...

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oh god
in the car hyperventalating ow walked into market when i was checkjng out!!!!!


Danni 47 BS
him WS 47
Married 28+
3 children 21,22,26
1st D-day I was 8mths preg with last child
2nd D-day 4/13/2010
2OW same time frame

R'ing ?? yes, no, maybe, I dont know

This is not the end, this is not the beginning
linkin park


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danni - you got this - you will be fine - you can be proud of you


I am not a marriage counselor. I chose "MC Jack" in the spirit of a handle like "MC Hammer" or Young MC"...there is a lot of 'rapping' here, no? At the time I did not know what MC stood for on this site. Duh.

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