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User Topic: Long Term Affairs - Part 31
SisterMilkshake
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Default  Posted: 10:08 AM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I have a problem with "tone".


BW (me) 50ish FWH 50ish
Married 34 years, 3 children
d-day 3/10 LTA (4 yrs./fucking & flirting)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak!" ~ Homer Simpson


Posts: 8990 | Registered: Nov 2010 | From: The Great White North USA
TrustGone
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Default  Posted: 10:09 AM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

No we both worked days at the time of the affair. He sometimes would lie and say he had to go in early or stay late. I also had a job for years doing go-lives at hospitals for the electronic health record we built. This would take me away sometimes for a few nights a week, but this wasn't but every few months and it was usually over pretty quickly. I didn't start traveling out of state as a consultant until about 4 months before DDay#1. It was great money, but I hated the first job I took up north and didn't want to travel again. WH#2 insisted it was too good of an opportunity when I got called for a job at Stanford University Hospital and I felt the same way. It was really going to boost my career and I loved the job (not the travel, it was making me sick). I had been on it about six weeks when OW called me and said they had been having an affair for 2 yrs, they were engaged, and she had been living in my home during the week for the last 4 months when I was traveling. She had also stayed at my house when I was doing the go-lives before that. I have been home everyday since DDay#1 as I no longer felt safe leaving my home and belongings. Then last year I decided to start a home business and went out of town for 1 week for a training certification course. That's when DDay #2 happened. He brought her back to my house again and she left me a note in my jewlery box saying the affair never ended. Since then I have had some major health issues that are keeping me in the M right now, but we are not in R as he never did anything he promised to do after DDay#2.

But no now he works regular hours, but for the last month he has not been showing me his paycheck and the other night he was having a conversation with his OW in his sleep, so now I am thinking he is starting again, if he ever actually stopped after DDay#2. He could very well have a paid phone or talk to her on his office phone. He is not a computer guy so I at least don't have to worry about tracking that. It doesn't really matter, I am still filing for D as I know I will never really get over this. It would be great if he would finally get it and try to R, but he doesn't and I can't make him so it just continues to hurt me. Thanks to everyone for making me feel welcome on this forum now. Hopefully I can keep up with everyone before long and also learn all of your stories. I am starting to shy more away from the JFO and R forum. They always make me sad. I post mostly in general now, but will try to post more here.


BW-50
WH#2-51
M-9 yrs T-11 yrs
4 children-none together
DD#1-9/5/11 LTA 2yrs
DD#2-7/3/12 False R
DD#3-4/29/13 (OW broke NC)
Status: Your guess is as good as mine.

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iwantamiracle
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Default  Posted: 10:12 AM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage


I am not sure what. I feel "bad" that I hurt him. It wasn't overt.
We were talking about our DS's. Talked about an incident that happened to DS. It was whilst FWH was in the thick of his affair and was totally checked out from all of us.
FWH said "I don't remember that. " I replied "Yeah, uuummmm, you were busy."

FWH shut down. I feel..........bad? Ashamed? Do I apologize.

sister: i can totally relate to this from both sides now.....i will explain...pfm was completely checked out of most of my marriage and kids stuff.....i mistakenly thought he was just wrapped up in work...little did i know that it was waaay more then work...yes work was part of it, but pfm was so involved in soooo maaaany things and soooo many people he was checked out and i made excuses for him thinking he was just a workaholic...puts a new spin on it now.....

and on my end.....after learning about pfms extra curriculars i was emotionally checked out....while i was at the events of my kids...high school graduation etc.....only half of me was there ..the other half was mourning and grieving the loss of "family" the loss of "2 parents that are in it together"......and like i said earlier...this is still a work in progress and i think the fact that i have allowed him to stay for now has hampered this progress.....

in my story i forgot to include that i still live with pfm, he knows i want a divorce eventually and am allowing him to stay in the home til my kids are finished at least with high school...oh, new development for those oldies....all of my kids now know about their dad....they know that he cheated on me with more then 1 person and that i will be seeking a divorce at some point in time.....my 2 oldest kids put 2 and 2 together when i went back to school to get certified and got a job.....

so anyways, i am ramblin again.....

i can relate to the checked out part...and i wish i couldn't!!!

oh and dark shadows: LOVED LOVED LOVED IT when i was a kid...also used to rush home from school to watch it....and i did see the new dark shadows with johnny depp...and i loved it....it was like watching a spoof from saturday nite live!! at least that was the attitude i took when i watched it, and i love johnny depp in most things!!

[This message edited by iwantamiracle at 10:15 AM, March 7th (Thursday)]


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ReunitePangea
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Default  Posted: 11:13 AM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I have a problem with "tone"

We probably all have that problem at times. Just a thought but you can always just apologize for the tone. You can say I meant what I said but I should have said it in a better tone so you didnt take it that hard. It is sort of a half apology to have a more positive discussion.


BS - Me 38
WS - Wife 39
D-Day - Oct 12
Married 10 years
OM1 - 12-year LTA
OM2 - 9 month A turned into open relationship with couple for another 1 1/2 years

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TrustGone
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Default  Posted: 11:23 AM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Sister,

I replied to your post in the other forum, so I won't repeat myself again, but I can definately relate to what you said.

IWAM,


I love Johhny Depp. I even told my husband if I ever cheated on him it would be with Johhny Depp. I like to set my goals a little higher than he did.


BW-50
WH#2-51
M-9 yrs T-11 yrs
4 children-none together
DD#1-9/5/11 LTA 2yrs
DD#2-7/3/12 False R
DD#3-4/29/13 (OW broke NC)
Status: Your guess is as good as mine.

Posts: 2420 | Registered: Aug 2012 | From: Texas
TrustGone
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Default  Posted: 11:26 AM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Edit: Double post. Sorry

[This message edited by TrustGone at 11:50 AM, March 7th (Thursday)]


BW-50
WH#2-51
M-9 yrs T-11 yrs
4 children-none together
DD#1-9/5/11 LTA 2yrs
DD#2-7/3/12 False R
DD#3-4/29/13 (OW broke NC)
Status: Your guess is as good as mine.

Posts: 2420 | Registered: Aug 2012 | From: Texas
atsenaotie
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Default  Posted: 11:29 AM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

lol

Trust repeated herself saying she wouldn't repeat herself.

ETA: Shoot, deleting the double posts spoils the fun.

[This message edited by atsenaotie at 12:31 PM, March 7th (Thursday)]


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

Posts: 3968 | Registered: Feb 2010 | From: FL
hopeandchange
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Default  Posted: 11:50 AM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Folks,

Thanks for the advise on protecting my interests post divorce.

W recommended lawyer to use, representing her, to draft agreement for my review. And then I added that I want to stay in our house with our kids and she should move out. This gives me the "exposure" to my kids on a daily basis which I strongly desire. And she is making the choice to D so I should not have to give this up.

W went ballistic.
- why did you change your mind
- they can stay with you every other week at your new place
- you can be close by and see them often
- you will get their full attention when they are with you
- they cany drive to see you (remember due to vision loss, I cannot drive)
- W fixes theri meals
- W's role has been to be the children's primary care giver
- what if the children do not want to stay with you
- yes you will need to share the expense of property maintenance for hour home while W lives there with the kids
- W would still have to do all the stuff she does now for the kids (transport, activity schedule, etc) and it will be inconvienent
- you are being unreasonable
- there are equitable ways for you (h&c) to establish the money needed to support me (W)
- I don't want to talk about it

So, W is not willing to take the same terms she offers me: move out and see the kids occassionally in a new environment. And in her offer, I will pay for our current home and my new home. I am not asking her to contribute at all to providing a roof over my head and I would be taking care of the kids.
I have homework to do. W does not seem to want to consider anything other than capitulation to maintaining her lifestyle by my support without being my W.

I need the time with my kids. Thanks for pointing this out that I do not have to give this up.

h&c


BH (me, 50)
WS (her, 48)
Divorced!
3 wonderful teens
Heading for Happiness

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TrustGone
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Default  Posted: 12:03 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

H&C,

Good for you!!! She needs to be aware that she started the shit storm that is now heading to divorce and that your interest are now whats best for the kids and yourself. She will have to figure out how to do the rest on her own.

Unfortunately divorce is like war and their are alot of casulties along the way. You have to decide what you are willing to sacrifice, what is best for you, your kids, and their futures. She is no longer on your side and is now a traitor to the marriage and all the things that went with it. After all she set off the bomb and didn't want to R, so she gets what she asked for(D)and everything that doesn't go with it. is her consequence.

Don't be really surprised if all the sudden she decides she wants to R. My WH#2 did this because he saw what he was fixing to lose, but still doesn't understand what he needed to do to keep it. I told him, he just doesn't have enough left in him to even try.

Stick to your guns, the battle is a long one. Good luck!!!


BW-50
WH#2-51
M-9 yrs T-11 yrs
4 children-none together
DD#1-9/5/11 LTA 2yrs
DD#2-7/3/12 False R
DD#3-4/29/13 (OW broke NC)
Status: Your guess is as good as mine.

Posts: 2420 | Registered: Aug 2012 | From: Texas
atsenaotie
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Default  Posted: 12:44 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

W went ballistic.

H&C

Ahhh, a stumble in her dance.

How dare you not agree with her terms! Especially just 2 days after she condescended to have sex with you and give you a big hug and kiss, and tell you how nice your note was.

Start logging what you do with and for your kids, do not let her own the "Parent" role.


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

Posts: 3968 | Registered: Feb 2010 | From: FL
TrustGone
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Default  Posted: 1:59 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Yes. I have gotten very good at ruining peoples fun.


BW-50
WH#2-51
M-9 yrs T-11 yrs
4 children-none together
DD#1-9/5/11 LTA 2yrs
DD#2-7/3/12 False R
DD#3-4/29/13 (OW broke NC)
Status: Your guess is as good as mine.

Posts: 2420 | Registered: Aug 2012 | From: Texas
ImNellNow
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Default  Posted: 2:17 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Me, too, TG... me, too!


BS & D
Drinking wine and thinking bliss is on the other side of this.

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ImNellNow
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Default  Posted: 2:19 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Oh, and h&c, there are websites just for men going through divorce. You might want to Google a bit, you might find some valuable information and/or insights.

Stand strong!


BS & D
Drinking wine and thinking bliss is on the other side of this.

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m334455
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Default  Posted: 2:39 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

H&C as a lawyer I really wish you hadn't revealed your hand.

You need to get a lawyer about 2 days ago. Get one. TODAY.

Either of you can hit the other with temporary custody orders that give you the kids and use of the home and support, etc. If she gets these first, you're outta there and she's got the kids. So -- don't let that happen.

You need to be NC with her other than kids and finances from this moment forward. You can be polite, but no chit-chat, feelings, talk of plans. Just walk away if she wants to "talk" and if you're pressed tell her you're going to have to let the lawyers decide whatever it is she's talking about.

She's not your friend anymore.


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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7yrsflushed
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Default  Posted: 3:23 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

W went ballistic.

She has traded one fantasy for another. In her mind the new fantasy involved her living in the house with the kids while you paid for everything. She had it all worked out in her head already and just knew you would go along with it, which is why you got the response you did.


The minute it actually clicks with your W, if it already hasn't, that she likely won't get her way in a D is when Godzilla enters the area kicking down buildings. You end up the little guy in the tank getting stepped on.

If your WW already has a lawyer then Godzilla was in your pantry eating your cookies and you didn't know it. She now knows you won't go quietly into the night agreeing to take care of her forever. Go see a L today or tomorrow and prepare for the worst while hoping for the best.

Also my lawyer actually had to stop me mid-sentence to tell me that some of the stuff I wanted to do or would agree to was NOT a GOOD IDEA, not in my best interests, and I should wait to see what happens before offering to give extra money or do anything. So listen to your L, even if it doesn't seem fair in your mind to your WW. The word fair has no meaning other than what the lawyers can get or the judge decides in a divorce. You aren't paying them to be fair you are paying them to protect you, your assets and your interests.

Who knows, this entire process may wake up your WW as she finally realizes that life might actually suck without HandC around. She likely won't even realize just how good you have been to her over the years and the value you bring to her life until she sees what she is about to lose.


D-day 5/24/11
BH = Me
STBXWW = Her
2 children
The first true sense of calm I felt in YEARS was when I filed for D...
Separated 6/2013, D official around 6/2014

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iwantamiracle
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Default  Posted: 4:08 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

ats and trust!!!!

i totally out loud!!!!

h&c...you have gotten some wonderful advice from the tribe...especially from m3


oh and i would def "do" johnny depp, as long as he is not in character for willy wonka!!!


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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UKgirl
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Default  Posted: 4:28 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I know this is going back quite a bit – page 4. I want to get this in before I go off for the weekend, we have Mothers Day this Sunday and so fWH and I are going off tomorrow to the southwest to see to both Mums. But the post from SisterM struck and has been bugging me and so I sought out part of something I wrote some time back.

Sister wrote this, and more:

FWH doesn't look back fondly at all on OW and what he did. He is ashamed and disgusted. But, the fact is, when he was doing it he was enjoying the hell out of it. No amount of shame and disgust is going to change that. He had an enjoyable relationship with the OW. Was it worth it? He would say no. Does that change the fact that he had passionate enjoyable sex? Hell no.

I find it so hard. So very hard to deal with and accept. I have huge jealously issues with fWH’s affair with MOW. For Mr UKg, it wasn’t about the sex. It was more than that. It was about what didn’t happen and what could be. Sex was just part of it, a significant part, but just a part. He was in love. Hopelessly and helplessly in love. A choice? without a doubt, yes. And this is something of what I felt and still feel:
I am jealous of the emotional highs, the despair, the exquisite pain, the passion, the intimacy, the love, the intensity, the mutual adoration – along with the trysts, the time spent, the secrets, the sharing, the texts and calls but mostly the knowledge that at the time it was real. And it was real for both of them. The swelling of the heart and surge of endorphins, the delicious sexual anticipation at the very thought of the next meeting. The intimate sex, oral sex, the smell and delight, the smiles on their faces, the orgasms they shared. I hate that that he has snapshots and film memories he can revisit anytime. It’s a one-way street. He had it, I didn’t and I can’t. All that he had from her; a woman not his, all that she had from him; a man not hers. I hate her casual confidence. Everything is too late now. Too late to have it, too late to keep it. Too late to recapture it. Too late to change it.
At the time, it was real. And for that reason alone, I know Mr UKg doesn’t regret his affair – not really. Oh, he says he does, but I suspect that the only thing he regrets is how things turned out. If he could have got out of this without me knowing, if she hadn’t been so crazy (and she is obsessive and a bit crazy) then he would have kept his secret and come home to his wife and family. Maybe. He had known her (in the sexual and emotional attachment sense) for a total of nine or ten years. His life was entwined with hers, as was his heart for a long, long time. I just never knew. And THIS is what my problem is. That along with the fact that she just won’t go away. She’ll be back. Again. And again.

I’ve told him I want to separate after DS18 finishes school this summer. I am sick of dealing with his lying by omission and me finding out. I hate this snooping around, spying on him and the general mistrust. I hate who I have turned into – someone who lies about where she is and what she is doing. It has eaten away at my love for him and he doesn’t seem to understand why I have shuttered the windows, pulled up the drawbridge, brought down the portcullis, filled the moat with oil and have a torch at the ready. I am constantly on the alert for guerrilla attacks and subterfuge.

I had done so much to try and make this marriage work. And he just lets MOW sneak around on the periphery of our lives. I wonder if he gets a secret thrill from it. And that too makes me pissed. Okay, got it out of my system. Thanks for the space.

And I sent the info on MOW/LinkedIn to BH. So got that off my chest too! Stupid bitch. She'll find out what cold revenge is if she carries on.

I want to talk about so much more, but this thread is so busy right now. I have read, but it’s a lot to take in and get involved with on the various points being raised. I don’t think I have ever known so many postings in such a short time.
**********

Just to finish on what I found when I first came into this corner. The LTA group was a soft place to land. I had lots and lots of good advice, lots of comfort and lots of new friends who had gone through or were going through the same hell as me. and others have said the same: a LTA is a different beast to deal with. Years and years of deceit and duplicitous behaviour that became a way of life. As an affair became a LTA, it was absorbed into “normal” life, just an aspect we, as BS, were unaware of. The signs mellowed, the affair became part of routine and the WS would believe their own lies. The most important thing is to know we were not at fault. The fault and flaw was in the WS. Our only fault was trust – and it was used and abused and taken for granted by the WS. As long as we trusted (and why wouldn’t we?), they were safe.
*************

H&C, yeh. Lawyer. Now. And step back. Get ready for the shit storm.


Okay. Catch y’all after the weekend. Have a good one. (((((Tribe)))))


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

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atsenaotie
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Default  Posted: 4:48 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

SMS,

I missed your post over the weekend about your post in General, so sorry for the late answer.

It is like the cake analogy that I came up with. You are very hungry. You go to a grocery store. You go to the bakery. You see a cake. It isn't even that great of a looking cake but you are very hungry and desperate. You want it. You take it. You go into a dark corner of the store and hope no one sees you eating the cake. You eat it all up. It was heaven, it was glorious, it was so fucking delicious. And, for extra thrills, no one caught you eating it and you didn't have to pay to eat the cake.

You are walking out of the store, feeling smug, satisfied and cocky. That is until the store detective taps you on the shoulder and invites you into the back room. You are busted and they throw the book at you. You have to go to court, it is humiliating. You have to go to jail. That sucks. Was it worth it? Hell no! Was that cake delicious, glorious, heavenly and did you enjoy it? Yeah, it was and you did.

I now believe for my FWW, and others I have read on SI, it is more like my brand new Cookie at the Coffee Stand Analogy (tm).

I often go to a coffee stand to get a cup of pick-me-up. It does not really which stand, whichever is nearby and available will do. When I go, I always see cookies in the display case. They look good, and I bet will taste great. The more I think about that big choco-chip or oatmeal cookie in the display case, the more I want to taste it. I think about how good it will be with my coffee. I think how much I will enjoy a treat, how I deserve a treat. After all, we don't make cookies at home so much anymore due to calorie and health concerns. If the line is long enough, and I have enough time to fantasize about the cookie, I will often break down and buy one.

And every single time I am disappointed. The cookies ALWAYS have a "store bought taste". They are greasy, not chewy. The flavor is not at all what I imagined. I eat the cookie, but when I am done, I regret the calories and the extra $1.50 I spent. I am a little ashamed of my self for doing it. I thought it would be so good, and it was not. The cookies at home are ALWAYS better. Not as big , not as fancy, but always better.

A couple or few weeks later, I will see another cookie and try again, but the outcome is always the same. I really need to establish a Coffee Shop Cookie Boundary.

This is how it is for some, and I believe was for FWW. She was never particularly hungry for it, but the thought of what it COULD be like, how exciting it MIGHT be would bring her back again and again.

Now I do not mean this to apply to all the times. But after that, as the A hits "maturity" I think that there was a lot of unspoken hope from FWW that the next time will be better. After all, how good can an encounter in the middle of the day between errands and work, being careful not to get anything on your clothes, pagers or cellphones going off and wondering if the BS will come home or someone will see you in the hotel parking lot, or, or...
I am sure there is a gender difference between WHs and WWs here too. FWW was into the A relationships for the feeling of power, and the affirmations. For her OM, it was sex, and for some men there is very little bad sex.

--Ats

ETA, how wierd that UKGirl and I cross-posted referring back to the same old post? Great minds eh?

[This message edited by atsenaotie at 4:49 PM, March 7th (Thursday)]


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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Default  Posted: 5:25 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just dropped in for the first time in a long time and it made me happy to see the tribe is still going strong. It's nice to know that everyone is still here for each other. Welcome to all of the "newbies" and know you'll find a place of healing here.
As for all of you "oldbies" I just wanted to say hi and thanks for helping me get thru this far.

Jollum


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atsenaotie
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Default  Posted: 5:37 PM, March 7th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi Jollum, it had been awhile. How are you doing? What caused you to come by today?


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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