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User Topic: Spouses/Partners of Sex Addicts-9
sodeeplysaddened
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Default  Posted: 12:31 PM, November 5th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I guess I will be coming to this thread now. For years I was on R, then the last 3 weeks on D/S, now here.

I have one questions that I hope your experience can help me with:

Is it possible for a SA to "relapse" then get "healthy" again?

Cliff notes version: WH had several affairs, I found out about all of them about the same time (with a little 'fog' going on). Since then, we went to IC and MC. He seemed very good, I marriage was better than ever. Then a few weeks ago, he started trolling craigslist again. He reached out to two women but they never responded to him.

I said DIVORCE! However, recently our DS (11) found out and he was so heart broken that I agreed to try again.

My WH is back into counceling. He said it was like an alcholic having one drink. He looked on it and then he was off on his distructive path again.

I do firmly believe he loves me but I'm not sure what to do.

Advice?! THANK YOU!!!


WH - 49
BS - 47 (me)
dday1 - 11/16/09
dday2 - 12/1/09
dday3 - 1/13/10
Dday 4 -10/21/12 - trolling Craigslist again

married 16 years, 2 kids: 11 DD, 13 DS
In process of R


Posts: 246 | Registered: Dec 2009 | From: In R.
nightsky
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Default  Posted: 12:35 PM, November 5th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I apologize in advance because this is going to be VERY whiny, and I hate whining, but I am really, really struggling right now and I am VERY frustrated with myself.

I confronted WH again and told him that I knew he has been on “that” site (the paid sex chat site) every day as well as looking at porn every day. Every time he goes on the site
first thing he does is search for his favorite “model.” During the last confrontation 3 weeks ago he actually referred to her as “my girlfriend.” He has since tried to claim this was just “a slip.” He sat beside me just three days ago and said, “I have not been on that, or any other objectionable site.” LIAR!!!

So, I totally lost it with him yesterday. I screamed at him calling him an F’n POS liar and a coward. I screamed this at him over and over and told him over and over to get out! I told him I just can’t take it anymore, that he is lying to my face every day and I want him out. I want peace and he is nothing but a POS liar and coward. I can’t take the lies and the disrespect.

He is STILL making himself the priority by lying to me and protecting himself. He just doesn’t get it! He says he is “sorry” but it is obvious that he just doesn’t get it. I told him that his actions are telling me loud and clear who he is - a liar and a coward. I told him he is too much of a coward to really face the damage he has done and how much he has hurt me.

He is refusing to leave, says he’s not going anywhere.

Some little gems from WH:

“You are forcing me to go on the porn because you won’t have sex with me.” I told him there is NO WAY I want to have sex with someone who is LYING to my face every day. I also said I refuse to let him try and put any of the blame on me!

I asked him, “Did you really think there would be NO consequences for what you have done?” His response, “Well, I hoped there wouldn’t be.”

“You are making too much of it. I don’t see what the problem is if I go on “that” site but just do the free chat and don’t pay for privates.”

“Every man looks at porn.” I told him that maybe he needed to figure out why he spends more than 80% of his time on the computer looking at porn, even right in front of me.

“You are trying to control me with your stupid rules.” I gave him a list of requirements for continuing our marriage after I busted his two-year spending spree on sex chats.

I told WH that the only reason I didn’t kick him out weeks ago is because I am scared to death about making it on my own financially. This whole thing feels like it is going to strip everything away from me –everything we have spent the last 35 years building together, my home where I have raised my family, my safety and security, my extended family. It feels like I am losing everything.

Why am I letting this hold me back? Why can’t I have the strength to kick him to the curb and feel good about it? Why can’t I look forward to building the life I know I deserve? I have been in IC since D-Day at the end of June. I feel like I am saying all the right words but I just can’t put them into action.

Ugh, I am so frustrated with myself!

[This message edited by nightsky at 12:36 PM, November 5th (Monday)]


BW (me) – WH (him) mid-50s Married 33 yrs

DD 6/2012 –WH has been paying $$$ for online video sex chats and calls his favorite “my girlfriend.”

"Sometimes your only available transportation is a leap of faith" Margaret Shepard


Posts: 109 | Registered: Jun 2012
beachgirl65
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Default  Posted: 1:09 PM, November 5th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi all.. it's been months since I was here.. I think I was embarrased that I didn't leave him like I said I was going to.. I am still here.. We are still 'working it out'.. I guess I will leave when I have really finally had enough.. Trying to read back the multiple pages to catch up with everyone. Will post more later.


BW (me) - 47 WH (him) - 51
Married - 22 years / together 24
1 daughter - 20 years old - away at college D-Day: Too many to actually remember
He - SA.. sissy sub CD
Sometimes I just want to punch him in the face!

Posts: 138 | Registered: Jul 2011 | From: California
Missymomma
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Default  Posted: 2:20 PM, November 5th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So sorry that so many are struggling today. ((((hugs))))

Sodeeplysaddened - I totally understand where you are coming from because of your son. Is WHSA working a program? Does he have a CSAT not just a regular IC? My fWHSA had a slip of looking at some very mild porn last Christmas and I immediately called his CSAT and scheduled an appointment for us both. This blew away his it was just a small slip mentality. His CSAT said it was a huge issue for an SA and would lead back to all of the previous behavior, no minimizing allowed. Do you have someone for support? I think some slips are normal, it just depends what your bottom line is. Maybe someone else here knows but I think they have to do another disclosure after something like this. This just really stinks and you have every right to be furious.

Nightsky - So sorry you are feeling stuck. (((hugs))) Is he working any program? Some of what I said to so deeply would apply here too. If he has a CSAT, I'd give him a ring. This is totally unacceptable and you have every right to do whatever you think is best for you and your family. Hope you have called your IC to talk.

beachgirl - No reason to be embarrassed, sometimes it is worth it to stay and sometimes it isn't. Only you can make that choice for yourself. We should all support each other no matter the choice.

Well, we are off to MC. It is 2 hours and should be good, even though my back is still really hurting I wasn't going to cancel.

[This message edited by Missymomma at 2:23 PM, November 5th (Monday)]


DDay - 6/15/11
R started - 7/1/11
False Discl- 9/27/12
Real Discl - 2/12/13
Poly - 3/1/13 Pass!
Me - BS (46)
WH - 52 (SA, NA, WA)
Kids: 2 littles and 1 grown
The road to recovery is long and hard. Some days I am up for it and others not!

Posts: 1084 | Registered: Sep 2012 | From: Texas
sodeeplysaddened
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Default  Posted: 3:34 PM, November 5th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks, Missy.

He does not to to a CSAT, his regular IC is a recovering alcholic and has been good. He had stopped going to him. Because of this "slip" he has returned to weekly visits.

I haven't had the heart to go back to my IC again, I'm just taking it one day at a time.


WH - 49
BS - 47 (me)
dday1 - 11/16/09
dday2 - 12/1/09
dday3 - 1/13/10
Dday 4 -10/21/12 - trolling Craigslist again

married 16 years, 2 kids: 11 DD, 13 DS
In process of R


Posts: 246 | Registered: Dec 2009 | From: In R.
numbandnauseous
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Default  Posted: 5:39 PM, November 5th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

sodeep - I am a newbie, but I will tell you what I have read and hope others will give more advice.

I have read that it is common for SAs to have a relapse early on. Yes, they can get healthy again after a relapse. It seems that SAs need to see a CSAT and be in a 12 step program to have the best chance of recovery (from what I have read - others may chime in). I would try to move in that direction if it is at all possible for you. Also, if you can attend a COSA or S-Anon meeting (for family/friends of SAs), that seems to be extremely helpful too. Also, if you could see a CSAT or IC would be good.

Have you read any SA books? There are tons; here are a few:
-Mending a Shattered Heart
-Your Sexually Addicted Spouse
-Deceived by Claudia Black
-Out of the Shadows (written for SAs, but I am reading it now and am finding it useful.)

There are many others. In these books, you will read about the addictive cycle and steps to get out of it; also how to protect yourself and try to get healthy while in these relationships.


BS (me) - 41
WH - 48, EA with HS GF x 2
M: 10 years, T: 20
2 small children
DDay#1 - Christmas 2011 (OW#1)
Confronted - 4/6/12
DDay#2 - July 9, 2012 (OW#2)
He is an SA (Oct 2012)
Divorcing

Posts: 827 | Registered: Jan 2012 | From: the other side
Missymomma
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Default  Posted: 5:50 PM, November 5th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

sodeeplysaddened - So sorry. It looks like ya'll are having a DDay at least every year. I agree with numbandnauseous that a CSAT and 12 step for SA are mandatory for him. Other therapists may be good but it is not the same. I also highly suggest a CSAT for you, mine has been invaluable. Our MC that we started with is also a CSAT, at my insistence. I have been doing COSA and CODA, personally I prefer CODA. We are also dealing with multiple addictions.


DDay - 6/15/11
R started - 7/1/11
False Discl- 9/27/12
Real Discl - 2/12/13
Poly - 3/1/13 Pass!
Me - BS (46)
WH - 52 (SA, NA, WA)
Kids: 2 littles and 1 grown
The road to recovery is long and hard. Some days I am up for it and others not!

Posts: 1084 | Registered: Sep 2012 | From: Texas
numbandnauseous
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Default  Posted: 5:57 PM, November 5th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

night - you are not whining. You sound so strong - good for you for calling him out and telling him what he is! You are doing great!

You will know when you are ready to leave and you are doing all the things you need to do to gather your strength (IC, etc.) - it takes time. We are the good, faithful partners who never fathomed that we would end up here, and yet, we were handed this huge shit sandwich without being given a choice. It is a lot to take in. Be gentle with yourself - give yourself some time.

And, just for clarification, in case you were feeling weak or unsure: HE IS A COMPLETE ASSHOLE, POS, LIAR AND COWARD, just as you said. He is manipulating you, pushing it as far as he can, not remorseful. He hasn't hit rock bottom yet, he doesn't see that there's anything wrong with what he's doing and he plans to keep on doing it. I am so sorry you are having to go through this.

Oh, and all of your quotes by him (you are making him go to porn sites, chat sites are no problem as long as he doesn't pay for it, etc.) are such lies and bullshit. He is one minimizing, gaslighting, blameshifting bastard. ASSHOLE!

Re: financial concerns, have you seen a lawyer? If not, get thee to one yesterday! If your state is no-fault, community property like mine, you will be entitled to 1/2 of everything. Also, I spoke with my L a few days ago and he said that in a long term M (20+ years), you may be able to get spousal support (=alimony) for LIFE! He said that if you are 50+ years old and have been out of work for many years, the judges are understanding and realize that you may not be able to get a good paying job. I'm sure the spousal support isn't much, but it's something. I'm just trying to give you an idea of the things you will find out when you talk to a lawyer.

Hugs and strength to you, nightsky...


BS (me) - 41
WH - 48, EA with HS GF x 2
M: 10 years, T: 20
2 small children
DDay#1 - Christmas 2011 (OW#1)
Confronted - 4/6/12
DDay#2 - July 9, 2012 (OW#2)
He is an SA (Oct 2012)
Divorcing

Posts: 827 | Registered: Jan 2012 | From: the other side
Missymomma
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Default  Posted: 6:22 PM, November 5th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Oh, FYI on the divorce thing. I live in a no fault community property state. When we split I got 60 to his 40. When you are a stay at home Mom and haven't been working and he is still working making a good income this is common. I also received spousal support for 3 years because we had been married 11 years. Child support on top of that. A good lawyer is necessary if you decide to D.


DDay - 6/15/11
R started - 7/1/11
False Discl- 9/27/12
Real Discl - 2/12/13
Poly - 3/1/13 Pass!
Me - BS (46)
WH - 52 (SA, NA, WA)
Kids: 2 littles and 1 grown
The road to recovery is long and hard. Some days I am up for it and others not!

Posts: 1084 | Registered: Sep 2012 | From: Texas
Missymomma
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Default  Posted: 6:49 PM, November 5th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just wanted to say that I really appreciate on here how people call a spade a spade. Sometimes in meetings people go so off on just take care of yourself and never talk about the fact that setting clear boundaries is taking care of yourself. It just gets on my nerves. I don't always agree with everyone but I love that they call it as they see it!


DDay - 6/15/11
R started - 7/1/11
False Discl- 9/27/12
Real Discl - 2/12/13
Poly - 3/1/13 Pass!
Me - BS (46)
WH - 52 (SA, NA, WA)
Kids: 2 littles and 1 grown
The road to recovery is long and hard. Some days I am up for it and others not!

Posts: 1084 | Registered: Sep 2012 | From: Texas
ChoosingHope
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Default  Posted: 9:22 PM, November 5th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Like MissyMomma, I am happy to offer my perspective on divorcing a SA (and NPD) with kids involved. I've been in the trenches now for a year. Please PM me anytime.

Beachgirl, it took me SEVEN years from my first D-Day to the day I left my SA STBX. (I deeply regret this, of course, but that's another story.)

“You are forcing me to go on the porn because you won’t have sex with me.” I told him there is NO WAY I want to have sex with someone who is LYING to my face every day. I also said I refuse to let him try and put any of the blame on me!

This reminds me of when I told a very wise CSAT that STBX was saying I was "mean" and that's why he started acting out again. I was outraged by this - because I was angry at and "mean" to STBX BECAUSE he was ALREADY acting out. Not the other way around.

And after a year of intensive therapy, I now realize that I wasn't even mean. STBX created that myth. I believed it.

In short, the CSAT told me that he's never met a SA at STBX's level of sickness that didn't blame his wife. One guy actually told his wife that he acted out because "she wasn't social enough and didn't go to enough parties."

I'm proud of you for not accepting any responsibility for his behavior, NightSky. I've personally found it very difficult to NOT believe these guys when they're so good and manipulation and gaslighting.


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sodeeplysaddened
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Default  Posted: 9:47 AM, November 6th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you all for your great words of wisdom. I know I need to get back to my councelor, I just don't have the strength right now.

My WH went to his IC yesterday. Sometimes he shares tidbits with me. For the second week in a row they discussed the fact that I made WH disclose to his parents WHY we were getting a divorce including his past As.

His IC keeps saying I shouldn't have done this, it is between us and I shouldn't have brought his parents into this. (My parents are deceased.)

From my point, for years he has gotten away scott free, no one on his side of the family knows anything. As we were planning on D, I asked him to tell his parents the reason (his infidelity)and the fact this was not new. From my perspective, he needed to 'own his shit' and I needed to stop protecting him.

I'm interested in what y'all think.

Thanks in advance.


WH - 49
BS - 47 (me)
dday1 - 11/16/09
dday2 - 12/1/09
dday3 - 1/13/10
Dday 4 -10/21/12 - trolling Craigslist again

married 16 years, 2 kids: 11 DD, 13 DS
In process of R


Posts: 246 | Registered: Dec 2009 | From: In R.
ChoosingHope
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Default  Posted: 10:25 AM, November 6th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My WH went to his IC yesterday. Sometimes he shares tidbits with me. For the second week in a row they discussed the fact that I made WH disclose to his parents WHY we were getting a divorce including his past As.

His IC keeps saying I shouldn't have done this, it is between us and I shouldn't have brought his parents into this. (My parents are deceased.)

This is outrageous. It INFURIATES me. Be very wary of an IC who is so easily drawn away from the REAL problem: the SA!!!!

YOU ARE NOT THE PROBLEM HERE. The problem is the SA. You had every right to be open and honest about what was destroying your life and your marriage. How DARE they expect you to live in shame and secrecy?

My STBX did this to his CSAT. I referred to it in my last post. Instead of admitting to the CSAT that he was actively acting out, he spent a year telling the guy that he was clean - and complaining about me.

SAs are the worst manipulators.

I hope that others will chime in here. It's outrageous.


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Missymomma
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Default  Posted: 11:26 AM, November 6th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

His IC keeps saying I shouldn't have done this, it is between us and I shouldn't have brought his parents into this. (My parents are deceased.)

This is where you need your own CSAT. Mine has ten times the experience of my fWHSA (of course he picked the most easily manipulated). Someone to reinforce to you that you know you are right and not buy the attitude that most SAs have. They see themselves as the victims in every situation. It has taken over a year and input from my CSAT, all of us sitting together during disclosure and several phone calls from me for his IC to get that it is a manipulation. Stand firm, don't let him bully you this way. Please either go back to the IC you were going to or find one that specializes in COSAs. I have to tell you I love my CSAT's kick but attitude. She doesn't buy any of the bullshit, she's seen it all.


DDay - 6/15/11
R started - 7/1/11
False Discl- 9/27/12
Real Discl - 2/12/13
Poly - 3/1/13 Pass!
Me - BS (46)
WH - 52 (SA, NA, WA)
Kids: 2 littles and 1 grown
The road to recovery is long and hard. Some days I am up for it and others not!

Posts: 1084 | Registered: Sep 2012 | From: Texas
Missymomma
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Default  Posted: 12:12 PM, November 6th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

O.k. I am going to use a gentle 2x4 here. The 5% statistic for recovery are for SAs not working Carnes program and going to SA or SAA. It doesn't matter if your SA is an alcoholic also. Mine is an opiate addict. Many SAs are cross addicted. It takes a strong commitment to the program to succeed. Your SA will try to manipulate you and tell you all therapy is the same and it isn't. Carnes purports something like a 93% success rate, which I think is a bit too high. Statistically, working the program it brings your success rate up to 40-60%, possibly 68%(from the very limited research data I have seen, there is a new study going on at NIH that isn't completed). It is a fighting chance, otherwise it is just paddling up river using your hands.

Sorry to be so blunt but it really worries me when I see people trying to white knuckle it. That is like going to a regular therapist for drug or alcohol addiction and not going to treatment. Many addicts need an in-house program as well.

Don't mean to be harsh but you deserve better and if the SA is unwilling to do it, they have made their very clear choice.


DDay - 6/15/11
R started - 7/1/11
False Discl- 9/27/12
Real Discl - 2/12/13
Poly - 3/1/13 Pass!
Me - BS (46)
WH - 52 (SA, NA, WA)
Kids: 2 littles and 1 grown
The road to recovery is long and hard. Some days I am up for it and others not!

Posts: 1084 | Registered: Sep 2012 | From: Texas
numbandnauseous
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Default  Posted: 12:42 PM, November 6th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Wish me luck - I finally took a step forward.

Told WH last night that he has 2 weeks to make an appt with a CSAT that I have already seen or I will be "moving out of this relationship." I said, "you understand that it's not healthy for me and the kids to be living with a addict not in recovery."

There was silence, and then he said, "anything else?" and I said "no" and "goodnight." He said "not really."

This comes after we were discussing IC yesterday and he said things like "I am who I am, if you can't accept me the way I am, too bad." and "That's not how I want to spend my time" (regarding IC), so I am not hopeful that he will make the CSAT appt.

Wish me strength and luck - I'm sure the manipulation, hissy fits, procrastination, etc. are coming!

P.S. sorry if I was a bit strong with my post about nightsky's WH - I think my "inner bitch" was out in preparation for the confrontation with my WH last night...


BS (me) - 41
WH - 48, EA with HS GF x 2
M: 10 years, T: 20
2 small children
DDay#1 - Christmas 2011 (OW#1)
Confronted - 4/6/12
DDay#2 - July 9, 2012 (OW#2)
He is an SA (Oct 2012)
Divorcing

Posts: 827 | Registered: Jan 2012 | From: the other side
nightsky
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Default  Posted: 2:19 PM, November 6th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi all. Thanks for all the support and comments. Honestly, if I hadn’t found SI last August when I was still trying to figure out what was “off” in my marriage, I don’t know how I would have been able to handle ANY of this - emotionally, physically or financially. Once my world was turned upside down and blown to smithereens in June I would have been just as lost as my poor, sick WH. For me, SI is not just a beacon, it is an absolute life-line.

WH has not been to a CSAT, I don’t even know if it has been discussed or considered with his IC. I believe he has been lying to her, as well as me and himself. I’m certain he has minimized the extent of his “game” and I know he hasn’t been honest about his continuing visits to his online sluts or his extensive, increasing porn usage.

Just prior to our big blow up three weeks ago (the “girlfriend” incident) I wrote WH a BRUTAL 3-page letter, calling him a liar and telling him that I deserved the truth and to be a priority in his life, and lots, lots more. After our blow-up I wrote a letter to his IC telling her that I think WH has been lying to her about the extent of his “game” and I enclosed the letter that I gave to WH. I haven’t told him that I had sent these letters. If there is fall-out from him about that - oh well, consequences much! I told his IC (and mine) that my sending her the letters was not just drawing (another) line in the sand - it was blowing up the beach!

This morning WH wanted to know why I wasn’t talking to him. I told him I have said everything I had to say. On Sunday I told him that he either makes an appointment for MC and with his IC or his packs his stuff and leaves on Saturday. I also told him that he has to sign whatever forms are necessary so I can talk to his IC and she can talk to me if needed. He said “That won’t happen!!!” I said fine, bring some boxes home from work today and pack up your shit!

I also don’t get why the WH/SA should get a pass about their behavior and the destruction it has brought into our lives. WH’s IC in the beginning said that “there are somethings that children should never know about their parents.” We have two grown DS. There have been times when one of our DSs call to talk to me and needs my support and I am at a low-point and I can barely function. I think it is outrageously unfair that I am supposed to protect WH’s “integrity” while always being a bottomless well of support for everyone else.

I asked WH why it is that he doesn’t have to live an authentic life?

And numbandnauseous, no worries. We are all here for each other. If you can put up with my whining, I certainly can appreciate your AWESOME inner-bitch.

Hugs and strength to all.


BW (me) – WH (him) mid-50s Married 33 yrs

DD 6/2012 –WH has been paying $$$ for online video sex chats and calls his favorite “my girlfriend.”

"Sometimes your only available transportation is a leap of faith" Margaret Shepard


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sodeeplysaddened
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Default  Posted: 2:59 PM, November 6th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I can just give ((hugs)) and I'm right there with you!


WH - 49
BS - 47 (me)
dday1 - 11/16/09
dday2 - 12/1/09
dday3 - 1/13/10
Dday 4 -10/21/12 - trolling Craigslist again

married 16 years, 2 kids: 11 DD, 13 DS
In process of R


Posts: 246 | Registered: Dec 2009 | From: In R.
DrivingPast
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Default  Posted: 4:12 PM, November 6th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Sodeeplysaddened, I really feel for you.

He has cheated a number of times. He has cheated for the past three years or more, from your signature. He is now attempting (or cheating) again.

Is it possible for him to stop and get healthy? Maybe.

I think the question really is, do you want to wait around hoping for that miracle to happen? Going through his cheating time after time? Is it worth it?

I really hope I dont sound harsh, but addiction or not, I get so upset hearing about men who continue to hurt and traumatize their wives over and over again. In that case D looks like the healthier option for you.

And what you said about his IC I agree with choosinghope:

How DARE they expect you to live in shame and secrecy?

Sending you strength and hugs!


BW
married more than 10 yrs to a possible SA
D-Day May 5 2011
"Because one knows people best through their fears - the ones they overcome and the ones they are overcome by."

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DrivingPast
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Default  Posted: 4:41 PM, November 6th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Nightsky,

First of all, you are NOT being whiny. You have every right to be furious and devastated. Im glad you called him out for the POS liar he is being! Dang, Im furious just reading what he said to you! You dont deserve this hon.


BW
married more than 10 yrs to a possible SA
D-Day May 5 2011
"Because one knows people best through their fears - the ones they overcome and the ones they are overcome by."

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