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dzaster
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Default  Posted: 11:34 AM, March 29th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Silverhopes -

Thank you for the response. Yes, we are both in IC and MC and our communication is definitely better than it has ever been.

For his part, he realizes that he needs to tell me when he feels that I am not meeting his needs, rather than turning to someone else (which is what he did prior to my A). We are working on that every day.

For me, no...I did not set out to have an A to "even the score".

Quite frankly, at that point I had checked out of my M. In my mind, my H had 2 A's, we had more bad years than good, he had two suicide attempts, and had been unemployed for 2 years and I was supporting him solely. I felt like I was taking care of one more child and was going to have to live with a bitter, angry ass...and I was not emotionally mature enough to deal with it. I felt like I wanted to stay M for the kids, and for social/financial reasons (our house is severely upside down and he was unemployed at the time), but I was done. It's not ever an excuse to cheat. I should have left him, but was afraid to.

I am now doing the work on me and on us, but I am no longer afraid to make the hard decision to D if I feel like I am giving my all and he is slipping back into old entitlement habits.


Me - FBW/FWW 39, Him - FBH/FWH 40, DS - 16, DS - 13
His D-days: 2001, 2008, multiple 2011
My D-Day: 11/19/10
R-day: June 2011...going well
"Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end" - Semisonic

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keepinghope
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Default  Posted: 8:19 PM, March 29th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm here. I don't post much but just wanted the other madhatters to know I may be stopping in from time to time. I read on here everyday, but only post every few months.


Me: WW (29)
Him: BH (29)
DDay: August 31, 2011

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ArialRose
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Default  Posted: 8:35 AM, March 30th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi all. I am considered a madhatter as well. My H has multiple EA PAs throughout our 30 years together. Dday for all of then was after he was caught 3 years ago. He TT and lied for over 2 years. About 5 months ago I went on AM and solicited men for a RA.

I had no intention of doing anything more than online banter and knew at some point I would get caught. H read 9 days of messages between me an a few men. He confronted. I told the truth and stopped.

My motive was revenge. I wanted him to taste some of my pain. I made sure that I could still have the upper hand by not having physical contact, not having an emotional connection. Not planning to leave the M. I actually submitted online that I was there to have a RA, loved my H and would not leave. Very cold and manipulative. Oh, and I targeted single men so I would not be an OW.

I don't feel I damaged our M as much as he did. I know I hurt him. That was the point. Am I worse because my motive was causing pain? I don't think so. I am just upfront and honest about the revenge aspect. Do I feel particularly bad about it. Not really. I welcome feedback.


ArialRose-BS
in our 40's
M 28 years, together 30 years
3 DSs (adult)
D-Day: 3/23/09, Major TT 2/10/10 5/24/10,10/30/10, & 12/12/10.
Inappropriate online conversations on my part- 10/2011

FOR FUCKS SAKE!


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noescape
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Default  Posted: 1:44 PM, March 30th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I made sure that I could still have the upper hand by not having physical contact, not having an emotional connection

. What if you weren't discovered? Chronology of As tells me one thing for sure, we're never in control.

Am I worse because my motive was causing pain? I don't think so. I am just upfront and honest about the revenge aspect. Do I feel particularly bad about it. Not really. I welcome feedback
.

That's brokenness that needs addressing. Wouldn't he have used justifications through 30 years of As? If your justifications are ok, then so are his, right?

I don't know the stitches of the many madhatters here, my WW probably had a similar justification for her second set of As. All I know is when I realised the utter devastation caused after DDay and the subsequent research and reading, I would not be able to find a justification for As, even a RA or an ONS. It affects not only the spouses or the APs, it hurts the children, the friends of the M, the families etc.... By all means, go ahead and have multiple partners and ONSs, but do it once the ink is dry on the D papers. Thats not me talking down to you, that's just me as a madhatter who never had or contemplated an RA.

I don't feel I damaged our M as much as he did. I know I hurt him.

I fear this part is most telling. Denial of something doesn't make it false. You have hurt the M as much as he did and more than just hurting him, I think you've hurt yourself. Losing the moral high ground or relative innocence of being the BS alone is probably a sacrifice you'll realise when you hit 'rock bottom'.

I think you have to start the work on yourself, regardless of whether your H is playing along or not. After all, you deserve to know what's broken in you to fix it. The first stop in that is recognising that an A is an A, it doesn't matter who did it first or longer. Allowing oneself to look outside the M speaks of a broken moral compass which one has to recognise and resolve. Not recognising it is equivalent to 2 things; an 'open M' (really? Is that what you signed on for?) or condoning your Hs As. Anything else is blinding yourself to that fact.


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ArialRose
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Default  Posted: 4:07 PM, March 30th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Noescape, thank you for your reply. I am on my phone so unable to quote. I agree that I have issues. Years of living with a cheater have done a number on me. I also understand why he did what he did at the time. I wouldn't use the word justified but understandable. I am not denying that I hurt him nor excusing my choices. They are mine to own. Now that I know better I will do better. I am pretty sure my rock bottom has came and went. As far as my moral compass...I am perfectly fine with it where it is. My moral compass probably looks much different that others and that is okay. I would not choose to do what I did again but refuse to beat myself up about it. I am just not sure why it is expected that I should or need to engage in self punishment to grasp the enormity of my actions. I am not saying what I did was the right thing to do just as my H's A were not healthiest and compassionate responses. I will forgive him and hope he forgives me. Do I not sound remorseful? Do I need to be a sobbing mess? I had years of that and I just can't seem to go there. Why do I need to go there? Why can't I just chalk it up to making bad choices and learn from them...and move forward? I have had years of IC and am a psychotherapist myself. I know myself very well. Sometimes people just screw up.


ArialRose-BS
in our 40's
M 28 years, together 30 years
3 DSs (adult)
D-Day: 3/23/09, Major TT 2/10/10 5/24/10,10/30/10, & 12/12/10.
Inappropriate online conversations on my part- 10/2011

FOR FUCKS SAKE!


Posts: 2165 | Registered: Jul 2009 | From: arialrose
tired girl
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Default  Posted: 8:13 PM, March 30th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Having just had my second DD with my H, this whole thing is fairly raw for me.

What I did was just over two years ago, and I have spent the past two years working on me and getting to the bottom of what allowed me to have such horrible coping mechanisms.

I am really glad that I did that as those new found tools are being put to the test.

This time around I think my H really gets what he has done and seems to be working towards figuring himself out. He of course is only three weeks in, so time will tell.

I can say that there have been a few times where it has come up that his has been compared to mine. We have already agreed to not go there. It achieves nothing.

You can't compare each others pain. There is no bar for that. Somewhere along the line every one has got to start healing for themselves. I was broken because I was broken. Yes I knew that my FOO had screwed me up, yes I knew that my H had already had one EA, and lots of inappropriate contact with women he worked with. But that did not give me the excuse to do what I did. That was because of my own brokeness and poor coping skills.

Arial Rose,

I don't think anyone expects you to be a sobbing mess, but sometimes it comes off as you felt entitled to do what you did. If that is truly how you feel, then do you feel there is a M worth salvaging?

My H's first thoughts when I asked why he had his second EA were is was a big FU. When he said that , for me, we were over. In my book, there is no place for entitlement in a M. When that creeps in, it kills off what love is left.

JMHO

By the way, he now gets that it was his own brokeness that has caused his behavior, and not a desire to say FU.

[This message edited by tired girl at 8:24 PM, March 30th (Friday)]


Me45 Him 45 Hardlessons DS 25,22,20
D Day 1/18/10 his 3/8/2012 mine
Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth”
― Pema Chödrön

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ArialRose
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Default  Posted: 8:46 PM, March 30th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Tired Girl,
I understand what you are saying and maybe there is a measure of entitlement in there for me. I don't mean it in the way of saying I deserved or he had it coming type of thing. More along the lines of I stood by him during 30 years plus of bad behavior and if he won't support me and us through 9 days then we don't really have anything to look forward to. I don't mean for that to sound callous or cold. I fought the good fight and am tired.


ArialRose-BS
in our 40's
M 28 years, together 30 years
3 DSs (adult)
D-Day: 3/23/09, Major TT 2/10/10 5/24/10,10/30/10, & 12/12/10.
Inappropriate online conversations on my part- 10/2011

FOR FUCKS SAKE!


Posts: 2165 | Registered: Jul 2009 | From: arialrose
tired girl
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Default  Posted: 9:50 PM, March 30th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I understand more than you know. Mine is just owning up to 27 yrs of it. I'm tired as well, hence the screen name. Tired smile here.

Maybe this was a deal breaker for you, more the fact that he hasn't participated in your healing than in what he did.


Me45 Him 45 Hardlessons DS 25,22,20
D Day 1/18/10 his 3/8/2012 mine
Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth”
― Pema Chödrön

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noescape
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Default  Posted: 10:50 PM, March 30th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I dont know what I would have done if I had found her A's 8 years ago when she was in the thick of it. I probably would have worked my ass off at R'ing the M since I loved her so much. But, if you were to ask me if I could've endured 8 years of her cheating behaviors? No, I don't think so. I'm 2 years out, she is a dry adulterer in my eyes and I can't stand being in this M any more. It took me 22 months to realise that for the love of anything, she is unwilling to make the changes necessary to be a healthy person; for me, for the M for the kids. All her problems are externalised. Thats fine, its part of her poor coping mechanisms. I dont have to stay with an affairing partner.

The point I'm trying to make is that; let alone her A's, I am not going to condone/be an enabler for her continuing A behaviour. Sometimes, in our desperation to keep the M or the WS, we forget that there are more important things in this world. And it doesnt necessarily need to be a selfish motivation. Surely, there are people, relationships and things to do which far outweigh the importance of running willy nilly trying to convince an addict that the M needs to be recovered, or that they were wrong.

We also need to say to ourselves that we deserve being happy. Not in the selfish, *A* type justification, but in an honest, authentic person kind of way. I know resentment, was a good friend of mine. I know anger and fear and carrying guilt and shame. I'm done all of that. I also know I do not need to. I also know that I am sure something is wrong with me if I do carry all of that and harbour the worst of it against people I am supposedly closest to. Harbouring is bad enough, using that as the fuel to justify things I find abhorrent and immoral is just plain uncharacteristic of me. Yet I did it and did it for years. Its a horrible thing to teach children.

I saw these things pretty easily in my WW, almost took me these 2 years to see it in myself. Our capacity for self deception is truly immeasurable.

Why am I saying this to you AR? Because I care that your contrition/rock bottom might be something critical to you rebuilding yourself. Your M could end up getting into a cycle of RA's and you could still be posting similar posts 5 or 8 years into the future. Would you want to risk that? Would you want to stay in an M which that is a reality? You said you stood by him for 30 years through A's- why? Somethings wrong there.


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ArialRose
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Default  Posted: 1:21 AM, March 31st (Saturday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you for that Tired Girl. I really appreciate your honesty.

Noescape, you know what, I was wrong, I dint stand by him. I stood my the family. I stood by my 3 beautiful children and my and his parents and siblings and so forth. I stood by them all until then I didn't. My children would never have a negative thing to say about me because they were always the focus of my attention. They are grown now and they worship me. I have always put them in the forefront. My H OTOH, withdrew years ago...decades even.

I have not done anything to hurt my children. They have seen a strong woman who always has had their best interests at heart. Who is a good role model.

I will never be the woman who has serial A's because that is not me. I know that if my H cheats again I will leave him in a heart beat. My dday was 3 years ago. All of his A's were discovered after the last. I was too busy being responsible for OUR responsibilities to see that he was absent and cheating and he let me shoulder all of that. That will never happen again. I require a partner now, not another dependent.

I don't mean to sound cold but that I where I am right now.


ArialRose-BS
in our 40's
M 28 years, together 30 years
3 DSs (adult)
D-Day: 3/23/09, Major TT 2/10/10 5/24/10,10/30/10, & 12/12/10.
Inappropriate online conversations on my part- 10/2011

FOR FUCKS SAKE!


Posts: 2165 | Registered: Jul 2009 | From: arialrose
Grace N Peace
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Default  Posted: 6:36 AM, March 31st (Saturday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Madhatter and OW and it kills me to think about it.
Different things bother me about each situation. The madhatter part comes from my first marriage. My now exH was physically and emotionally abusive. I hated him, but I was afraid to leave. I had no one for support or help. My family had all moved out of state. I think it started out as revenge and turned into an exit A. I knew it wasn't going anywhere, but it helped give me the strength and courage I needed to leave. I also believed that he had cheated on me, but I really didn't care. After the years of crap I had been through with him, any girl that had sex with him was doing me a favor.
I just always believed before that divorce wasn't an option. I know I was weak.
The part that kills me about this is that OM had a pregnant girlfriend. I had no idea! I found out about her after she had given birth and he broke it off with me. I had the experience of meeting up with her and the baby when the baby was 2 weeks old and I never said anything. I should have told her! I knew I felt self conscientious and insecure when I went through my pregnancy and men that will do this to a pregnant wife or GF are the bottom of the barrel.

Then I moved out. I had to wait for an apartment to open up where my son and I were going to live. Almost immediately I met new friends. One in particular was there constantly. I didn't think much of it in the beginning because he lived in the complex with his girlfriend. I was friends with both of them. He pursued me relentlessly and I caved. We ended up in an emotional and physical A that lasted for 1 1/2 years. He was my best friend and we did everything together right under his GF's nose. She trusted him and never questioned our relationship. I had the sick point of view at the time that people that were happy in their relationships didn't cheat.
I worked in a business that was mostly men and I learned from that experience that 99 out of 100 men will cheat and I guess I just accepted on some level that was just the way the world is.

I decided to end the A with my neighbor, not because I felt bad about it, but because I got to the point where I wanted someone for my own and not someone I had to share. When I told him it had to end, he made the choice to leave his GF. I saw her cry, but I couldn't empathize with her pain. Two weeks later, he decided to go back to her and we went in our separate directions. I was hurt, but had no ill feelings towards him and didn't think much about what I had done to her.

That was 1997. FF to 2008. I had been married to my H now for over 8 years. I had several opportunities to be unfaithful to him, but I never considered it. He became my whole life and I was 100% committed to him and my family. In the fall of 2008 my previous AP contacted me through MySpace. He had now been married to his then GF for 10 years. We sent what I thought was a few innocent message back and forth and then he asked me to call him at a time that his W would not be there. I didn't call and I haven't messaged him since.
Little did I know at that time, but my H was in the process of a full blown A. I found out the truth after 10 months of pure hell. Dday was (and still is) the most painful thing I have ever experiences in my life. To know that the person that you loved and trusted could make a choice that could cause me so much pain is its own personal hell.

Now, I empathize with the woman that I did this to. I would give anything to be able to contact her and tell her wholeheartedly how sorry I am. I won't and I have to live with that now. I won't because it would be for me. I know that if I contacted her I am sure it would open old wounds that she has probably healed from.

Is this Karma? I would never wish the pain of infidelity on another person (except my husbands AP).

If you read this far, thank you.


Me BW
Him WH
DS 21 (mine), DD 10 (ours)
Married 12 Years
Dday 1 10/07 skanky looking horse face
Dday 2 9/14/09 MOW -the company mattress

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noescape
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Default  Posted: 2:36 PM, March 31st (Saturday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Sorry AR, I thought you knew for 30 years, if DDay was 3 years ago, it puts a different spin on things.

I know the crushing feeling of living your married life in a haze and never being able to tell whats *really* wrong. You feel its stuff you do wrong or stuff you arent doing, you try hard, you keep going, you look for feedback and areas to improve yet its... like somethings not there/not right and you cant put your finger on it and no matter how hard you try, there's nothing you seem capable of doing to fix it.

For me it was truly blind trust. I did suspect at the outset but I was misled by my own logic "its not possible"; I did cursory checks and then thought "thats not it". My gut was speaking to me and I was ignoring it, I let logic rule the day (and years to follow). I didnt know A's were MEANT to be illogical. It was only when my fog started to withdraw that I suddenly felt the pinch of my GUT screaming at me (since I was now a WS) and suddenly-THAT logic which I had applied for years in my M fell by the wayside, and so too did the scales from my eyes.

I am sorry that I appeared harsh, I was truly concerned about your state of mind. I feel you may have done yourself a disservice if you had stayed through 30 years of this, its obvious you were in the dark as many of us were. I also do not rule out RA's since I know how many warn of one-specially 6 months to a years after discovery when the PTSD starts wearing off and bitterness sets in. I can definitely empathise with you having a WS who wouldn't give a rats ass about WORKING it.


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I have not done anything to hurt my children. They have seen a strong woman who always has had their best interests at heart. Who is a good role model.

My children have only seen this too. That's why I'm going to tell them that it wasn't always true. I'm going to own my choices to them and share my work and discovery.

Your posts have given more information than you may realize and I always wondered when your self discovery was going to start.

I know you're angry, hurt and tired. I think when you set some of that down you'll find it a much easier road.

I know the term madhatter is used here yet I've seen it still breaks down by labels. Some seem to identify more with BS, others with WS. 

I know it's true in my case. I completely own the WS label and don't accept the BS label. I learned more from viewing myself that way and will always be very watchful of that thought process. 

Pain, hurt, anger at another's actions towards me was always easy to process because it had nothing to do with me.

My mother's sick games, my ex's abuse and lies, my friend's betrayal. Their issues. My lessons were simple. Pay attention to red flags. You will be ok regardless.

My lessons as a WS have enabled me to tackle many things and I'm still unraveling more as I go. Far from something to hide or run from it's put me on a journey that's brought so much growth.

I will never be thankful for the choices that brought me to this site or think my life better for them. 

My life is better for the choices I've made since. The wayward thought processes are everywhere. I'm just thankful I can see them both in myself and others now. It makes navigating this shit much safer. 


Me: 37

'til the roof comes off. 'til the lights go out. 'til my legs give out, can't shut my mouth


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I will never be thankful for the choices that brought me to this site or think my life better for them.

My life is better for the choices I've made since. The wayward thought processes are everywhere. I'm just thankful I can see them both in myself and others now. It makes navigating this shit much safer.

Well said!

I am grateful for this thread, Thanks Mods. It is hard to know where and how to post in other forums.


Let us not look back in anger, nor forward in fear, but around in awareness. ~ James Thurber

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Question  Posted: 7:11 PM, April 1st (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Do you feel like your spouse is moving on faster than you are? How do you deal with this?


Me: Madhatter
Him: Madhatter
My affair: 2007 for 3 months; confessed in 2010
His affairs: 2009 (ONS) and 2010 (3 months); I caught him.
Us: Married since '05; 3 kids ages 9, 6, and 18 months & another on the way.


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openbook
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Default  Posted: 11:56 PM, April 1st (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Each one of us is in a process that takes a life time.

I wouldn't worry too much about who is moving faster or slower. Just be where you are, understand that your spouse is where they are and continue to take the next right step. Healing ebbs and flows, insights can come suddenly or slowly, what seems like moving on faster may be rug sweeping or a temporary denial in order to replenish energy stores. You just never know.

Looking at what is without judgement has been very helpful to me. That's my best piece of advice.


Let us not look back in anger, nor forward in fear, but around in awareness. ~ James Thurber

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Default  Posted: 7:57 AM, April 2nd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

we had our first MC session with an infidelity specialist. We each had a half hour to tell our story. I thought my fWH was particularly hard on me and there was an element of him not taking responsibility for his affair. WE had a tough weekend and he doesn't like to talk about it as it brings up everything.
but, it needed to be done. what stung for me is not him talking about me or his affair but what happened afterwards. He is still upset I took control of ending his affair. I said you had 28 days to end your affair with you controlling everything before I caught you. I just think there is no way around that fact. The therapist is going to help us deal with his anger and my anger at having to live in the same town as her.
He has a business event coming up on Tuesday night where I thought she might be there but he says she won't be. Ok, but what about the next time. He says he'll leave if he sees her. But, he'll still see her and that is contact to me. Not planned but still contact.
What TO DO!

[This message edited by rachelc at 8:00 AM, April 2nd (Monday)]


his Ddays: 2/10, 7/11
my Ddays: 1/12, 4/12 broken NC 12/12

me: 47
him: 51
4 kiddos in lower 20's

“Grief does not change you, Hazel. It reveals you.”


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openbook: good advice!!


his Ddays: 2/10, 7/11
my Ddays: 1/12, 4/12 broken NC 12/12

me: 47
him: 51
4 kiddos in lower 20's

“Grief does not change you, Hazel. It reveals you.”


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He has a business event coming up on Tuesday night where I thought she might be there but he says she won't be. Ok, but what about the next time. He says he'll leave if he sees her. But, he'll still see her and that is contact to me. Not planned but still contact.
What TO DO!

In time this will get easier. Avoiding while emotions are still raw is important. In time what will matter more is what is in your H's heart with regards to his level of commitment to himself and to you.

No person in the planet will be able to breach a determined and committed heart that truly doesn't want to be breached.


Let us not look back in anger, nor forward in fear, but around in awareness. ~ James Thurber

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Default  Posted: 12:01 PM, April 5th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

openbook - how will I know that? He gave me the words and actions during his affair that he loved me. It was all a lie. How will I ever know for sure?


his Ddays: 2/10, 7/11
my Ddays: 1/12, 4/12 broken NC 12/12

me: 47
him: 51
4 kiddos in lower 20's

“Grief does not change you, Hazel. It reveals you.”


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